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Postby Esternial » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:11 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:You shouldn't criticize religion? Hell, quite a few of the faithful surely have no qualms when it come to criticizing those not of the flock. And guess what? Resentments go both ways, buddy!

One of the two has to be the smarter one and go cure cancer while the other blames the Atheists for it.

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Postby Czechanada » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:13 am

The Dwemer Ascendancy wrote:
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But couldn't you be an anti-theist in that you hope that there is no god, but also be a theist in that you believe that there unfortunately is one? Something like "I wish that there wasn't a god, but knowing my luck, there probably is one."

Or you could be an anti-theist in the sense that you believe in a god, but oppose him/her/them/whatever.


That's called misotheism.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:05 am

CTALNH wrote:
Seriong wrote:

Gnostic atheism = "There is absolutely no god"

Agnostic atheism = "I have no reason to believe in a god so I LACK that belief"

The majority of atheists are agnostic atheists. I hope that clears it up for you.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:14 am

CTALNH wrote:
Seriong wrote:

Gnostic atheism = "There is absolutely no god"

Agnostic atheism = "I have no reason to believe in a god so I LACK that belief"

The majority of atheists are agnostic atheists. I hope that clears it up for you.

Then what am I?
"There is no god and all the believers of all religions should be put in an Asylum!"


A 1930s throwback?

Yes, I do feel good about my beliefs, because I don't feel the need to worship Yahweh, like many of my friends who are Christians do. The fact that I'm free from the obligation of worshipping a hypothetical (whose holy book has Him, if He exists, committing mass murder at least twice in two books (Genesis and Exodus)) is something that I enjoy.
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Postby Polinikia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:12 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
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Cher.

On the deck of a battleship, in very little clothing, with a host of sailors around her, if I recall correctly.



Later a bunch of moralistic right wing congressmen made a fuss over it, because there were all these young sailors drooling over her. They thought that she was indecently dressed. Even though she wore more clothes than an average bikini.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:24 am

Polinikia wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:On the deck of a battleship, in very little clothing, with a host of sailors around her, if I recall correctly.



Later a bunch of moralistic right wing congressmen made a fuss over it, because there were all these young sailors drooling over her. They thought that she was indecently dressed. Even though she wore more clothes than an average bikini.


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Postby Sentinel XV » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:41 am

I prefer to live my life fully without the promise of an afterlife. The beauty of a finite existence is that you know there is nothing on the other side, which makes life so much sweeter. You know that this is your only chance, and that once your time is up, there is no coming back. I find it beautiful that this world, and this universe, is the result of chance and the laws of physics, nature, and of the universe itself. In short, I think that the belief in a god is the easy way out, and that you should be a good person without the threat of eternal damnation to keep you in check.
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Postby Volco » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:18 am

Dyakovo wrote:
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Atheism is the belief that God does not exist. If you are asking about the belief that God does not exist, then it makes perfect sense.

No, atheism is the lack of belief in a deity or deities.


A god is a deity. ◔_◔
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Postby Olivaero » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:28 am

Sentinel XV wrote:I prefer to live my life fully without the promise of an afterlife. The beauty of a finite existence is that you know there is nothing on the other side, which makes life so much sweeter. You know that this is your only chance, and that once your time is up, there is no coming back. I find it beautiful that this world, and this universe, is the result of chance and the laws of physics, nature, and of the universe itself. In short, I think that the belief in a god is the easy way out, and that you should be a good person without the threat of eternal damnation to keep you in check.

Cos no one who believes in an after life can find beauty in the universe either oh and they can't take life by the balls and do something with it either because of their poor little closed minds. Oh and believing in god is by no means an easy way out. I doubt living your life by a moral code is ever an easy way out, for whatever reason you choose to take that code for.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:28 am

Volco wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:No, atheism is the lack of belief in a deity or deities.


A god is a deity. ◔_◔


God is a deity. Atheism is more than just lack of belief in God, who is only a god, it is the lack of belief in all gods.
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Postby Blouman Empire » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:23 pm

Seriong wrote:
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So what's it called if you believe there is no God.

And what is it called if you don't believe in God but also don't believe that God doesn't exist



Gnostic atheism = "There is absolutely no god"

Agnostic atheism = "I have no reason to believe in a god so I LACK that belief"

The majority of atheists are agnostic atheists. I hope that clears it up for you.


And if someone is simply an agnostic?
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:32 pm

Blouman Empire wrote:
Seriong wrote:

Gnostic atheism = "There is absolutely no god"

Agnostic atheism = "I have no reason to believe in a god so I LACK that belief"

The majority of atheists are agnostic atheists. I hope that clears it up for you.


And if someone is simply an agnostic?

The black-or-white crowd will continue to insist there are no other possibilities. :(
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:35 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Then what am I?
"There is no god and all the believers of all religions should be put in an Asylum!"


A 1930s throwback?

Yes, I do feel good about my beliefs, because I don't feel the need to worship Yahweh, like many of my friends who are Christians do. The fact that I'm free from the obligation of worshipping a hypothetical (whose holy book has Him, if He exists, committing mass murder at least twice in two books (Genesis and Exodus)) is something that I enjoy.

Apparently God's only way of eradicating evil is mass destruction.
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Postby The Dwemer Ascendancy » Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:53 pm

New New Capston wrote:
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"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! KILL! MAIM! BURN! BREAK THEIR BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACKS!"

Khornate worshippers are a religion too, should they be respected?

I was talking about christians, pal. But, anyway, yes. No man should ever be mocked about his religion because we have freedom of religion.

We have freedom of speech too.

Does that mean no one should ever be criticized about the things they say?

If so, you just violated several atheists freedom of speech.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:18 pm

Blouman Empire wrote:
Seriong wrote:

Gnostic atheism = "There is absolutely no god"

Agnostic atheism = "I have no reason to believe in a god so I LACK that belief"

The majority of atheists are agnostic atheists. I hope that clears it up for you.


And if someone is simply an agnostic?

Then they're really different mentally, because they are somehow able to hold the stance on a yes or no question of... actually, I don't think there's a word for it. If they say they don't know, that's not answering the yes or no question of what they believe. Just whether or not they know. You either believe in a god or gods or do not believe in a god or gods. There is no third option.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:20 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Blouman Empire wrote:
And if someone is simply an agnostic?

Then they're really different mentally, because they are somehow able to hold the stance on a yes or no question of... actually, I don't think there's a word for it. If they say they don't know, that's not answering the yes or no question of what they believe. Just whether or not they know. You either believe in a god or gods or do not believe in a god or gods. There is no third option.

Oh, I don't know. Some people may not give the south end of a north-bound rat about the question. Some people may be genuinely unsure or undecided.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:22 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Then they're really different mentally, because they are somehow able to hold the stance on a yes or no question of... actually, I don't think there's a word for it. If they say they don't know, that's not answering the yes or no question of what they believe. Just whether or not they know. You either believe in a god or gods or do not believe in a god or gods. There is no third option.

Oh, I don't know. Some people may not give the south end of a north-bound rat about the question. Some people may be genuinely unsure or undecided.

If they are do not care or are unsure or undecided, then they still lack a positive belief in a deity, and are then atheist rather than theist.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:24 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Oh, I don't know. Some people may not give the south end of a north-bound rat about the question. Some people may be genuinely unsure or undecided.

If they are do not care or are unsure or undecided, then they still lack a positive belief in a deity, and are then atheist rather than theist.

Whatever. Why are you exercised by the question?
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:26 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:If they are do not care or are unsure or undecided, then they still lack a positive belief in a deity, and are then atheist rather than theist.

Whatever. Why are you exercised by the question?

Could you rephrase that?
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:36 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Whatever. Why are you exercised by the question?

Could you rephrase that?

What difference does it make if someone takes the "I don't know" position between "Yeah, there are gods" and "No, there aren't"?
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:59 pm

Blouman Empire wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:No, atheism is the lack of belief in a deity or deities.


So what's it called if you believe there is no God.

And what is it called if you don't believe in God but also don't believe that God doesn't exist

The first is a type of atheism, and I don't get what you're trying to say with the second.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:01 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Could you rephrase that?

What difference does it make if someone takes the "I don't know" position between "Yeah, there are gods" and "No, there aren't"?

No difference, because the position doesn't affect whether or not they actively believe in a god. If they say I don't know without an added "but I think there is one" then they're an atheist because they don't believe in a god.
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Postby Viorly » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:08 pm

Chinamerica wrote:I'm a devout Christian and I've never understood how someone could happily live as an atheist who believes that they won't go to heaven. When I say atheists I don't mean Buddhists or anything, I mean the ones who think that death is the end.

Are you happy thinking that? Does it make you feel more intelligent? Would you LIKE there to be a God?

Personally if I was atheist I'd be depressed as hell going through life thinking like that. What are your opinions?

On the contrary. If there is an after life I'll "live" with it and I wouldn't be dead. Nothing is forever, even angels must eventually die. All things must pass. One's death does not exist. You can't live that, only someone else's.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:13 pm

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How so?


One of the basic principles of Marxism is that religion is a bad thing, so most communist states are atheist.

It's undoubtedly already been said, but...
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Oct 20, 2012 6:16 pm

Volco wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:No, atheism is the lack of belief in a deity or deities.


A god is a deity. ◔_◔

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