One Ron Paul Thread to Rule Them All, one thread to find him

[Milograd]

Alaska is home to 8 people, and all of them are Polar Bears.

That isn't true either. Alaska has several hundred thousand citizens.

Sarcasm.

[Cromarty]

Alaska is home to 8 people, and all of them are Polar Bears.

That isn't true either. Alaska has several hundred thousand citizens.

That's exactly something a polar bear masquerading as an american citizen would say.

[Death Metal]

That isn't true either. Alaska has several hundred thousand citizens.

That's exactly something a polar bear masquerading as an american citizen would say.

We should ask for his long form birth certificate to prove he is not a secret polar bear.

[Dyakovo]

Even if he weren't, his policies are childish at best.

It's like he played SimCity one day and fancied himself a master politician and economist based on that alone.

Well, no. That's not fair. Because even in SimCity you can't run a government without taxes.

But you can run a government without taxes. If you privatize everything and basically let the states have their own governments, the fed can exist without taxes. Just look at alaska, they have no personal income tax, no sales tax, and the government pays several thousand dollars every year to the citizens of the state. So you are wrong

With money gained from what are essentially taxes...

[Dyakovo]

Alaska? You mean the quazi fascist state of Alaska? The welfare state of alaska with several state owned companies?

How do they run their state without charging their people taxes? Well, besides the state owned companies Alaska gets back $1.84 for ever dollar it's people spend in taxes from the federal government. In other words they are making a huge profit on federal taxes.

A profit skimmed off taxation of individuals in other states.

"Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell announced Friday that every eligible man, woman and child will receive $2,069, thanks to dividend payments from the state’s oil royalty investment program distributed annually. On top of that, the checks will include another $1,200 from the state treasury to help offset soaring fuel prices."

I did not know libertarians considered the state controlling industry and distributing the proceeds to people to be a good idea.

If there was no federal income tax, Alaska would have to straighten up and learn some fiscal responsibility.

Please give some sources.

Never heard of the Alaska Permanent Fund?

[Wikkiwallana]

Once again, Paul makes me want to vomit.

[Revolutopia]

Once again, Paul makes me want to vomit.

Hey, I saw that earlier, but as I didn't want to listen to yappering I didn't listen to the video. Therefore, as I could be sure that my reaction would correctly match what he said I just ignored it. Nice, to now how coverage of the issue where the details are written down thus I can discover that my initial disgust was correct.

I wonder how the Paul brigade are going to justify this.

[Allrule]

Once again, Paul makes me want to vomit.

Hey, I saw that earlier, but as I didn't want to listen to yappering I didn't listen to the video. Therefore, as I could be sure that my reaction would correctly match what he said I just ignored it. Nice, to now how coverage of the issue where the details are written down thus I can discover that my initial disgust was correct.

I wonder how the Paul brigade are going to justify this.

Illuminati Lizardmen! *waves hand*

[Wikkiwallana]

Hey, I saw that earlier, but as I didn't want to listen to yappering I didn't listen to the video. Therefore, as I could be sure that my reaction would correctly match what he said I just ignored it. Nice, to now how coverage of the issue where the details are written down thus I can discover that my initial disgust was correct.

I wonder how the Paul brigade are going to justify this.

Illuminati Lizardmen! *waves hand*

That was funny once, maybe twice. Now it's just spam.

[Revolutopia]

Hey, I saw that earlier, but as I didn't want to listen to yappering I didn't listen to the video. Therefore, as I could be sure that my reaction would correctly match what he said I just ignored it. Nice, to now how coverage of the issue where the details are written down thus I can discover that my initial disgust was correct.

I wonder how the Paul brigade are going to justify this.

Illuminati Lizardmen! *waves hand*

Damn, Lizardmen them and their dastardly ways.

Through, lets be honest probably more of his supporters would just blame the Jews. Saying how he seems to get along so well with Stormfront and other White Nationalist websites.

[Grave_n_idle]

Once again, Paul makes me want to vomit.

For me, the telling phrase:

"I do believe, though, very sincerely, if we don't have an understanding of life and have a lot of respect for life, I can't defend people on their personal liberties. I can't be as tolerant as I am on how they use liberties."

See, no inconsistency on his behalf, because he DOES support absolute liberty, but only if you hold the same belief structure and opinions as him. He can 'be tolerant' of your self-governance if you agree with him. He can 'defend people on their personal liberties' if they agree with him.

Ron Paul's true colours, right there - liberty and justice for.... well, the selected ideological purists that Ron Paul can tolerate.

[Wikkiwallana]

Once again, Paul makes me want to vomit.

For me, the telling phrase:

"I do believe, though, very sincerely, if we don't have an understanding of life and have a lot of respect for life, I can't defend people on their personal liberties. I can't be as tolerant as I am on how they use liberties."

See, no inconsistency on his behalf, because he DOES support absolute liberty, but only if you hold the same belief structure and opinions as him. He can 'be tolerant' of your self-governance if you agree with him. He can 'defend people on their personal liberties' if they agree with him.

Ron Paul's true colours, right there - liberty and justice for.... well, the selected ideological purists that Ron Paul can tolerate.

I was actually more upset about the "if it's honest rape" part.

[Allrule]

For me, the telling phrase:

"I do believe, though, very sincerely, if we don't have an understanding of life and have a lot of respect for life, I can't defend people on their personal liberties. I can't be as tolerant as I am on how they use liberties."

See, no inconsistency on his behalf, because he DOES support absolute liberty, but only if you hold the same belief structure and opinions as him. He can 'be tolerant' of your self-governance if you agree with him. He can 'defend people on their personal liberties' if they agree with him.

Ron Paul's true colours, right there - liberty and justice for.... well, the selected ideological purists that Ron Paul can tolerate.

I was actually more upset about the "if it's honest rape" part.

I don't even know what the hell "honest rape" is supposed to be. What, does the rapist say, "I'm going to rape you" before it happens?

[Revolutopia]

I was actually more upset about the "if it's honest rape" part.

I just want to know what is a dishonest rape?

[Wikkiwallana]

I was actually more upset about the "if it's honest rape" part.

I just want to know what is a dishonest rape?

Reading his comments made it seem like what he was trying to say was that if they weren't lying about being raped so that they would be given an abortion. Which is really, really freaking disgusting.

[Grave_n_idle]

For me, the telling phrase:

"I do believe, though, very sincerely, if we don't have an understanding of life and have a lot of respect for life, I can't defend people on their personal liberties. I can't be as tolerant as I am on how they use liberties."

See, no inconsistency on his behalf, because he DOES support absolute liberty, but only if you hold the same belief structure and opinions as him. He can 'be tolerant' of your self-governance if you agree with him. He can 'defend people on their personal liberties' if they agree with him.

Ron Paul's true colours, right there - liberty and justice for.... well, the selected ideological purists that Ron Paul can tolerate.

I was actually more upset about the "if it's honest rape" part.

Ah, indeed. That is disturbing. I'm not denying that. But given that he's pretty far into the anti-choice camp, it's not unexpected, even if it is disgusting.

So I'm less impressed by how disgusting or hypocritical Ron Paul is (since I expect it from the anti-choice camp), and more impressed by how Piers Morgan (Piers Morgan, of all people) managed to coax him into admitting that his liberty platform is selective, that it should be based on ideology, and that Ron Paul's position on it is dictatorial.

[Revolutopia]

I just want to know what is a dishonest rape?

Reading his comments made it seem like what he was trying to say was that if they weren't lying about being raped so that they would be given an abortion. Which is really, really freaking disgusting.

So is that like the Rape-rape the Republicans were talking about last year?

[Grave_n_idle]

I was actually more upset about the "if it's honest rape" part.

I just want to know what is a dishonest rape?

If you don't get the permits.

*nods*

[Streamland]

I was actually more upset about the "if it's honest rape" part.

I just want to know what is a dishonest rape?

Statutory rape. Or rape-charge-as-blackmail.

And don't tell me it doesn't happen.

[Dyakovo]

I just want to know what is a dishonest rape?

Statutory rape. Or rape-charge-as-blackmail.

And don't tell me it doesn't happen.

What, exactly, is dishonest about statutory rape?

Also, please provide evidence that "rape-charge-as-blackmail" is a significant problem.

[Streamland]

It's dishonest in the sense that you can force someone to pay you money just because you were younger if you get pregnant, either that or a likely sentence to jail (when clearly both people are to blame). I've had a friend have this happen to him (he was 15, she was 14, age of consent here is 15).

I don't have statistics at hand, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

It says 8% or rape accusations are deemed false. And these are only the ones which have actually resulted in a not guilty, don't assume the system is perfect. That I would call problematic.

[Juristonia]

I've had a friend-

Irrelevant anecdotal evidence with nothing to back it up.

I don't have statistics at hand, but...

But nothing.
You have no statistics to back it up, thus no argument.

It says 8% or rape accusations are deemed false. And these are only the ones which have actually resulted in a not guilty, don't assume the system is perfect. That I would call problematic.

So if we're going to include the false sentences that we don't know about and can only really guess about, does that mean we can also include guilty parties getting away with their crimes by guessing about it?
Because rape has a very low conviction rate, if it even goes to trial.

[Dyakovo]

It's dishonest in the sense that you can force someone to pay you money just because you were younger if you get pregnant, either that or a likely sentence to jail (when clearly both people are to blame). I've had a friend have this happen to him (he was 15, she was 14, age of consent here is 15).

I don't have statistics at hand, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

It says 8% or rape accusations are deemed false. And these are only the ones which have actually resulted in a not guilty, don't assume the system is perfect. That I would call problematic.

Translation: "I've decided it is a big problem despite not having any evidence to back up such claims."

[Cromarty]

It's dishonest in the sense that you can force someone to pay you money just because you were younger if you get pregnant, either that or a likely sentence to jail (when clearly both people are to blame). I've had a friend have this happen to him (he was 15, she was 14, age of consent here is 15).

I don't have statistics at hand, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

It says 8% or rape accusations are deemed false. And these are only the ones which have actually resulted in a not guilty, don't assume the system is perfect. That I would call problematic.

And barely a tenth of rapes are actually reported

[Lessnt]

It's dishonest in the sense that you can force someone to pay you money just because you were younger if you get pregnant, either that or a likely sentence to jail (when clearly both people are to blame). I've had a friend have this happen to him (he was 15, she was 14, age of consent here is 15).

I don't have statistics at hand, but...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

It says 8% or rape accusations are deemed false. And these are only the ones which have actually resulted in a not guilty, don't assume the system is perfect. That I would call problematic.

And barely a tenth of rapes are actually reported

What does any of this have to do with the topic?