Is pedohilia bad?

[Diseased Imaginings]

I don't think "bad" exists, so no.

[Kahanistan]

I don't think that we'll be able to get rid of paedophiles without a massive eugenics operation. It's an orientation, like homosexuality. Churches have tried for decades to "cure" homosexuals without success. It's genetic, hardwired into their DNA. So therapy won't work. Now, an eugenics operation is out of the question, the last time we tried that the result was the Holocaust.

You aren't going to change someone's orientation by locking them in a cage for decades with violent criminals, most of whom hate them as much as the general population. You will only get them killed or worse, turn them into more violent criminals when they get out. Then you stamp a figurative giant letter "P" on their foreheads via registry laws. Society is going about it wrong.

We do need to protect children, but locking up every paedophile will multiply our prison population at least fourfold. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophili ... olestation They are at least 3% of the population, or some nine million people in the United States alone. Our prisons simply cannot handle the influx. Nor can we just gas nine million people.

Now, prepubescent children should not be having sex. It isn't a matter of consent, it's a matter of their bodies being physically unready for it and they will be more likely to suffer physical injuries. Now teens are naturally ready and voluntary sexual activity with a teenager should not be punished. Children should be educated on this matter. They should be educated about the risks (pregnancy, disease) and the laws (the local age of consent, abortion laws, etc.) They should be equipped with the skills to say no. If someone forces them they should be treated as any other rapist. If someone injures them they should be treated the same as if they'd beaten the kid to a micron of their life.

A culture of sexual consent like that propagated by anarchists would cut down on the number of sexual assaults at any age.
http://zinelibrary.info/files/learning% ... nsent2.pdf
This is aimed at young adults and teenagers but anyone whose reading level is high enough should be able to use and apply the lessons here.

[Arcomo]

Not much of a question. Pedophilia is a sexual orientation.

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It can be cured like homosexuality (I'm not saying gays are pedophiles, I'm friends with some and respect their rights) can be cured.

There is no scientific evidence sexual orientation can be altered. The only 'cure' that is offered homosexuals tends to come from religious extremists and is only a superficial 'cure' as it only attempts to control behavior. Ex-gays are still gay, they just pretend they're not. The American Psychiatric Association and with them any other respectable group of medical and social workers, say that homosexuality is not a disease, cannot be cured and that attempts at 'reparative therapy' can only lead to damaging the individual.

And there haven't been very many cases were gays become straight. They can be sent to camps, given mental help or pretty much anything. Its part of them like your eyes are part of you. You can't cure a pedophile, only hope they don't rape anyone.

Please check your spelling before you post something, so I won't have to go into gay-defence when you assert that homosexuality can be cured.

Inherently its neutral. There is no kid out there that a pedophile should sleep with. We should simply let them be. Until they rape someone. Then jail.

Probably. But I think everyone agrees on that, since rape tends be seen generally as a bad thing, regardless of the age of the victim.

[Coccygia]

I have just added Pangaea to my Foes list with the other pedo.

[Volnotova]

Not much of a question. Pedophilia is a sexual orientation...

...It can be cured like homosexuality (I'm not saying gays are pedophiles, I'm friends with some and respect their rights) can be cured...

I can't believe I am actually reading this.

...And there haven't been very many cases were gays become straight. They can be sent to camps, given mental help or pretty much anything. Its part of them like your eyes are part of you. You can't cure a pedophile, only hope they don't rape anyone.

"Mental Help"?

What is this I don't even.

[Tahitoa]

My post was kind of misinterpreted. I understand that homosexuality isn't an illness, I'm pro gay rights.

[Volnotova]

My post was kind of misinterpreted. I understand that homosexuality isn't an illness, I'm pro gay rights.

then how can it be cured?

[Neo Avon]

I spoke my opinions once on this issue, and I won't get banned again. I'm sure if everyone remembers the Pedophile Ring Bust thread, they know what I think of them.

[Vestr-Norig]

Yes it is. It is very bad.

[Sambianza]

Pedohilia is OK if both parties agree, but seriously what kid would want to have sex with someone who is 10 years or more older then him/her. I wouldn't, unless its a supermodel jk way too young .

[Tahitoa]

And there haven't been very many cases were gays become straight. They can be sent to camps, given mental help or pretty much anything. Its part of them like your eyes are part of you

It can't, "Its part of them like your eyes are part of you"

The mental help was about pedophiles

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[Chinese Regions]

Why should I care about "the species"?

Your mind may not but your body, natural selection and evolution does,

[United low territories]

So you're not disagreeing with the idea that it harms children and should therefor be viewed as bad? It's just theoretical stuff on how maybe in the future people will like harming cildren?

Because the rest of the topic is already a big step ahead of you, they've been defining actions as good or bad based on the effect they have on both the person doing it and the victim.

It is theoretical stuff, what I'm saying is that in theory in the future it will not be considering harming children because they'll probably have regulation and etiquette in place that address those issues.

So you're saying it will not harm children simply because they believe it doesn't harm children?

You know what, I'm out of here. Good luck with the thread everybody.

[Sarzonia]

Is paedophilia bad?

Is a pig's pussy pork?

Is the Pope Catholic?

Are the 2011 Boston Red Sox and Atlanta Braves both choke artists?

[Zoysia]

It is theoretical stuff, what I'm saying is that in theory in the future it will not be considering harming children because they'll probably have regulation and etiquette in place that address those issues.

So you're saying it will not harm children simply because they believe it doesn't harm children?

You know what, I'm out of here. Good luck with the thread everybody.

I'm saying that theoretically its not the belief of not harming child that is the issue in that world. What I am saying is that if, key word being if, remember that theory is basically a imaginary result based on reasoning of specific factors; if pedophilia was legal it would only be legal because they had laws and social practices that regulated in a manner that would not physically or mentally harm a child comparatively in a way that homosexuality is accepted in society today. Just to clarify, I am not saying that homosexuals are pedophiles I'm just using the movement as a social historical comparative example, I could do the same with just about any relationship movement. I do not support pedophilia. I am just giving a theory on how it would if ever were to come into social acceptance if it were to ever happen.

[San Angeles Prime]

the idea that this guy is serious is pretty disgusting......

[Garwall]

[The Chaos Heart]

Uhhh...yes. Children do not have the mental capability to properly understand sex, and are not in a position to consent. Adults are.

And what are "children" and "adults" in this context?

I think that should be obvious to you.

But by redefining good, we are essentially changing we consider good.

This may not be the most accurate example, but i'll give this a whirl. A murder. the person who was murdered, a d obviously their friends and family, feel this act was bad. It did not bring them pleasure, but pain. the murderer, however, felt great pleasure.

Given your definitions, the act should be both good and bad. But this simply is not rational. Yeah, it's true for the individual yada yada. But "true for an individual" is code for opinion.

Since the situation cannot be both good and bad, and both sides are subjugating it to their opinion of good and bad, then the action becomes inherently void of these things. It becomes neither good nor bad. It is simply an action that occurred at some point in time.

Now, you'll say "but it's only bad because they experienced pain, and it's only good because they experienced pleasure, so this must prove my point". But I disagree. Pleasure was brought to the murderer. If pleasure automatically = good, why then is the murder not good in the eyes of the victims family and friends?

This is because it's not good in their eyes. In this situation, the pleasure was bad. Wich shows that good and bad don't even have set ideologies, and merely change on the whim of a person, when they don't like something or like something. But this makes it opinion, not fact. Which means it's not truth.

The murderer must live with the consequences of his actions for the rest of his life. It isn't good for them either.

The murderer doesn't care. It's not bad for him. And if he's caught and punished, while that's bad for him, it's good for others. Just another example of how good and bad are solely opinions, and not objective.

[Dyakovo]

Aside from a very slim chance of getting an STD I don't see the problem. It won't harm anyone (unless the girl is far enough into puberty that she can get pregnant).

Why are we narrowing this down to only female children, why not males too?

Because he's only attracted to pre-pubescent girls?

[Dyakovo]

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By "reasonably well" I just mean better than a typical newborn baby. I don't mean perfect, just to have a basic understanding of the world.


Just because someone is an adult doesn't mean the kid will do anything they say. In fact, many kids will complain about anything they don't like.

I encourage you to look at this post from earlier in the debate.

Seen it. It was stupid and didn't support your argument then... Nothing has changed.

[Dyakovo]

Peadophiles are disgusting, evil monsters and should be eradicated away from society

I don't know what "peadophiles" are, so I can't really judge that. However, in any case, you shouldn't be posting it on this topic, which is clearly about pedophiles.

Paedophile is simply an alternate spelling of pedophile...

[Zeth Rekia]

Because he's only attracted to pre-pubescent girls?

Strangely enough though, all the convicted male pedophiles in Wisconsin, that Zeno knows of, have all preyed on little boys.

[-St George]

I created this thread because this thread because the debate seems to be coming up in other places but there isn't a dedicated thread.
I do not support the rape of children, only the ability to consent to sex.
There's a reason god made it so kids don't get pregnant. There isn't much room to make an "irresponsible choice" (since the chance of getting an STD from sex is slim). Besides by the point a girl can get pregnant she is in an early stage of puberty and capable of making reasonably good decisions. The issue of being uninformed is caused by society's censorship problem.

Paedophillia: the attraction to prepubescents, not the act of having sex with them.

I personally don't see pedophilia as being bad in any way. A kid can be in a consensual relationship with someone older. We shouldn't discriminate because of a stupid number.
Discuss and debate.

It's bad, unless you act upon the attraction. A 9 year old, in most cases I am fairly confident of saying, does not know what sex is, nor the dangers that can arise from having it, protected or not.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

It's been proven this topic gets bad results.

[Meryuma]

Pedohilia is OK if both parties agree, but seriously what kid would want to have sex with someone who is 10 years or more older then him/her. I wouldn't, unless its a supermodel jk way too young .

When I was 12 I was absolutely crazy about Thom Yorke from Radiohead, who was 39 at the time.

Unless you mean prepubescent kids exclusively, in which case why would they want to have sex with anyone?

Why should I care about "the species"?

Your mind may not but your body, natural selection and evolution does,

Science does not work that way.

And what are "children" and "adults" in this context?

I think that should be obvious to you.

There is nothing obvious about it. I can think of at least 3 possible meanings for "children".

I don't know what "peadophiles" are, so I can't really judge that. However, in any case, you shouldn't be posting it on this topic, which is clearly about pedophiles.

Paedophile is simply an alternate spelling of pedophile...

I know that, but they said "peadophile".