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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:21 am

UCUMAY wrote:
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Your repeated violations of the Verbal Morality Statute have caused me to notify the San Angeles Police Department. Please remain where you are for your reprimand.

Come on, you never saw Demolition Man?

No sadly. But I'm still having fun. :)

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Postby UCUMAY » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:22 am

Sibirsky wrote:
UCUMAY wrote:No sadly. But I'm still having fun. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rVQGT01Kzg

:rofl:
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Postby UCUMAY » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:25 am

Sibirsky wrote:
UCUMAY wrote:No sadly. But I'm still having fun. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rVQGT01Kzg

I found one better. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1zhe85spsw&NR=1
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:28 am


Why don't you just shove a leash up my ass?

At the rate we're going...
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Postby UCUMAY » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:29 am

Sibirsky wrote:

Why don't you just shove a leash up my ass?

At the rate we're going...

:rofl:
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Postby Lomenore » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:34 am

The only time I think limiting the spread of information is justified is during time of war, with vital military secrets. "Now, the army is attempting to defend this city, but they don't have enough men to guard everywhere. Our embedded correspondent tells us that if the enemy were to attack down Highway 12, the defenders wouldn't be able to stop them without opening a hole in their lines!" Yeah, that should be banned. Reporters don't have the right to get other people killed because of their own stupidity.

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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:35 am

UCUMAY wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Why don't you just shove a leash up my ass?

At the rate we're going...

:rofl:

It gets worse
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Postby UCUMAY » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:36 am

Sibirsky wrote:
UCUMAY wrote: :rofl:

It gets worse

OMG by the way...

Ucumay has been fined 20 credits so far.
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:37 am

Lomenore wrote:The only time I think limiting the spread of information is justified is during time of war, with vital military secrets. "Now, the army is attempting to defend this city, but they don't have enough men to guard everywhere. Our embedded correspondent tells us that if the enemy were to attack down Highway 12, the defenders wouldn't be able to stop them without opening a hole in their lines!" Yeah, that should be banned. Reporters don't have the right to get other people killed because of their own stupidity.

Well this makes sense, yes. I actually do not have a problem with law enforcement, for example lying to the media in certain cases.

They're looking for a black Chevrolet Corvette.

"We are looking for a yellow Nissan Pathfinder"

The dude in the black Vette is no longer worried about the cops being on his tracks.
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:37 am

UCUMAY wrote:

OMG by the way...

Ucumay has been fined 20 credits so far.

:lol:
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Postby Lomenore » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:39 am

But conversely, wouldn't owners of yellow Nissan Pathfinders be under suspicion? Also, couldn't a criminal ditch the getaway vehicle or switch plates or repaint it or something?
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Postby UCUMAY » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:41 am

Lomenore wrote:But conversely, wouldn't owners of yellow Nissan Pathfinders be under suspicion? Also, couldn't a criminal ditch the getaway vehicle or switch plates or repaint it or something?

Not always...
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Postby Lomenore » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:43 am

But the possibility still exists, and any halfway intelligent criminal knows the cops will be trying to catch him, so it's in his best interest to dispose of any incriminating evidence, such as a car used in commision of a crime. I don't think misinformation is a good idea in such circumstances.

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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:44 am

Lomenore wrote:But conversely, wouldn't owners of yellow Nissan Pathfinders be under suspicion? Also, couldn't a criminal ditch the getaway vehicle or switch plates or repaint it or something?

No. The police know the suspect is driving a black Corvette. The media is talking about the yellow Nissan only to throw him off.

Yes, criminals ditch cars and switch plates all the time.

Sometimes they can ditch a car, planning to pick it up after "it blows over." They hear that the cops think it's a yellow Nissan, they go right back to their black Vette, and into the cops hands.
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:45 am

Lomenore wrote:But the possibility still exists, and any halfway intelligent criminal knows the cops will be trying to catch him, so it's in his best interest to dispose of any incriminating evidence, such as a car used in commision of a crime.


The car that may, in fact, already be registered in his name? Come on now. The public doesn't have the right to know the details on ongoing police investigations for good reason, and witholding information, and sometimes even intentionally releasing false information, can be valueable in an investigation.
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Postby UCUMAY » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:47 am

Neo Art wrote:
Lomenore wrote:But the possibility still exists, and any halfway intelligent criminal knows the cops will be trying to catch him, so it's in his best interest to dispose of any incriminating evidence, such as a car used in commision of a crime.


The car that may, in fact, already be registered in his name? Come on now. The public doesn't have the right to know the details on ongoing police investigations for good reason, and witholding information, and sometimes even intentionally releasing false information, can be valueable in an investigation.

Misinformation is different than censorship.
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Postby Robert Magoo » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:48 am

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Libertarian Mesa wrote:I do not think that should be used often, but I think it is sad to see what happens without censorship. There is so much rude, obscene or harmful material that exists in society today. Look at America in the 1950's, when the Hays Code was in power. The country was at its peak.


Yeah, well, helluva peak we had. Homosexuals were hunted down like rats, GI's got stiffed on their education, movies were mostly G-rated tripe, and people thought tiny men who wore fedoras and high pants were "manly"

Arrogance of the present...


I'm not in favor of government censorship except in limited cases like broadcast television, because it is freely available to all. Same for billboards.
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Postby Wiztopia » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:49 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Lomenore wrote:The only time I think limiting the spread of information is justified is during time of war, with vital military secrets. "Now, the army is attempting to defend this city, but they don't have enough men to guard everywhere. Our embedded correspondent tells us that if the enemy were to attack down Highway 12, the defenders wouldn't be able to stop them without opening a hole in their lines!" Yeah, that should be banned. Reporters don't have the right to get other people killed because of their own stupidity.

Well this makes sense, yes. I actually do not have a problem with law enforcement, for example lying to the media in certain cases.

They're looking for a black Chevrolet Corvette.

"We are looking for a yellow Nissan Pathfinder"

The dude in the black Vette is no longer worried about the cops being on his tracks.


So they're supposed to lie about if a person kidnaps a 7 year old girl and he's driving a Chevrolet Corvette? This is how it will go.

"We are looking for a yellow Nissan Pathfinder"

The corvette drives by a person who just saw the news and the little girl is found dead 5 hours later.

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Postby Norstal » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:50 am

Wiztopia wrote:So they're supposed to lie about if a person kidnaps a 7 year old girl and he's driving a Chevrolet Corvette? This is how it will go.

"We are looking for a yellow Nissan Pathfinder"

The corvette drives by a person who just saw the news and the little girl is found dead 5 hours later.

I think what Sibirsky wants to say is withholding information, instead of outright lying to the media.
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:55 am

Sibirsky wrote:

Why don't you just shove a leash up my ass?

Okay... If that's what you want...
*wanders off to find a leash*
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:01 am

Norstal wrote:
Wiztopia wrote:So they're supposed to lie about if a person kidnaps a 7 year old girl and he's driving a Chevrolet Corvette? This is how it will go.

"We are looking for a yellow Nissan Pathfinder"

The corvette drives by a person who just saw the news and the little girl is found dead 5 hours later.

I think what Sibirsky wants to say is withholding information, instead of outright lying to the media.

No. Lying to the media is ok in cases of ongoing investigations.

This reminds me of DC sniper case. The first we heard of any vehicle we were told it was a white panel van. They were caught in a blue Chevrolet Caprice. Point is, Muhammad and Malvo may have thought the cops were looking for a white van, and were more at ease. They were found sleeping in their car.

I obviously don't know if the cops were lying, or actually thought a white van was used. However, the blue Chevy was used in all the attacks.
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Postby Wiztopia » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:23 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Norstal wrote:I think what Sibirsky wants to say is withholding information, instead of outright lying to the media.

No. Lying to the media is ok in cases of ongoing investigations.

This reminds me of DC sniper case. The first we heard of any vehicle we were told it was a white panel van. They were caught in a blue Chevrolet Caprice. Point is, Muhammad and Malvo may have thought the cops were looking for a white van, and were more at ease. They were found sleeping in their car.

I obviously don't know if the cops were lying, or actually thought a white van was used. However, the blue Chevy was used in all the attacks.



Read this post: viewtopic.php?p=5898990#p5898990

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:24 am

Wiztopia wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Well this makes sense, yes. I actually do not have a problem with law enforcement, for example lying to the media in certain cases.

They're looking for a black Chevrolet Corvette.

"We are looking for a yellow Nissan Pathfinder"

The dude in the black Vette is no longer worried about the cops being on his tracks.


So they're supposed to lie about if a person kidnaps a 7 year old girl and he's driving a Chevrolet Corvette? This is how it will go.

"We are looking for a yellow Nissan Pathfinder"

The corvette drives by a person who just saw the news and the little girl is found dead 5 hours later.

Only a valid argument if it is statistically more likely for the perp to be caught through a tip then it is for him to be caught without one, assuming the correct information was released. Which I doubt. Most people seem to be caught in traffic stops and checkpoints, or through APBs. Meaning if the police said they were looking for a corvette, he would now know to ditch the car, making it less likely for both police or a tipster to find him. Information should only be released if the police literally have no clue where the hell he is.

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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:25 am

Wiztopia wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:No. Lying to the media is ok in cases of ongoing investigations.

This reminds me of DC sniper case. The first we heard of any vehicle we were told it was a white panel van. They were caught in a blue Chevrolet Caprice. Point is, Muhammad and Malvo may have thought the cops were looking for a white van, and were more at ease. They were found sleeping in their car.

I obviously don't know if the cops were lying, or actually thought a white van was used. However, the blue Chevy was used in all the attacks.



Read this post: viewtopic.php?p=5898990#p5898990

I read that. The point is not to attempt at get tips. The point is to mislead the criminals.
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:26 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Why don't you just shove a leash up my ass?

Okay... If that's what you want...
*wanders off to find a leash*

That hard to find a leash?
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