Anti-TSA Caucus?

[Imperium Neo Roma]

Where were these guys when the Patriot Act was passed?

The TSA was born about a month after the Patriot Act passed.

[Faith Hope Charity]

So you are quite alright with the government treating people as if they are guilty before proven such.. i gotcha.. you arent innocent till we prove you are.. who wants to live under that? you might, but not me... you still havent cited a single example of TSA actually doing what they are out to do and catching a terrorist, and you cant refute everything else ive said.

Do you not fucking understand? Do you think any sane government, after a event like 9/11, would just stand by and let Extremists waltz right into a airport? No, you're the crackpot that thinks being frisked isn't worth the security of 3,000 people.

And YOU have yet to prove that you know ANYONE within the TSA, Do you really think that "Alaska, Hawaii, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas and Washington" are going to be targets for Terrorists? Of course not, once they get rid of the TSA there, they'll be getting plenty of bombs.

No one takes some Hawaiian Reporter seriously, nor do they take you seriously. I think it's clear that you would rather have thousands dieing do to no security, just because you don't like going through Airport Security.

Pathetic.

No one said no security, just the way its being done is beyond what should be considered acceptable. You honestly think i advocate no bag check? I never said that. But being frisked without a warrant or even being found guilty of doing anything shouldnt be considered acceptable behavior, and i find it disturbing that you actually advocate it. You honestly think "frisking" will stop another attack? you are crazy if you do, theres no way to stop it altogether.. so yes, i do think frisking people cuz of a terrorist attack and people dying is a poor excuse.. if anything profiling should be done, cuz honestly, granny and the little kid aint gonna be bombing. I refuse to live in paranoia of a terrorist attack.. in doing such they win already.

[Republicke]

Where were these guys when the Patriot Act was passed?

The TSA was born about a month after the Patriot Act passed.

Sorry for the misunderstanding: I'm not praising, I'm pointing out if they cared about liberty there probably would be a Anti-PATRIOT caucus right about now.

[Imperium Neo Roma]

Do you not fucking understand? Do you think any sane government, after a event like 9/11, would just stand by and let Extremists waltz right into a airport? No, you're the crackpot that thinks being frisked isn't worth the security of 3,000 people.

And YOU have yet to prove that you know ANYONE within the TSA, Do you really think that "Alaska, Hawaii, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas and Washington" are going to be targets for Terrorists? Of course not, once they get rid of the TSA there, they'll be getting plenty of bombs.

No one takes some Hawaiian Reporter seriously, nor do they take you seriously. I think it's clear that you would rather have thousands dieing do to no security, just because you don't like going through Airport Security.

Pathetic.

No one said no security, just the way its being done is beyond what should be considered acceptable. You honestly think i advocate no bag check? I never said that. But being frisked without a warrant or even being found guilty of doing anything shouldnt be considered acceptable behavior, and i find it disturbing that you actually advocate it. You honestly think "frisking" will stop another attack? you are crazy if you do, theres no way to stop it altogether.. so yes, i do think frisking people cuz of a terrorist attack and people dying is a poor excuse.. if anything profiling should be done, cuz honestly, granny and the little kid aint gonna be bombing. I refuse to live in paranoia of a terrorist attack.. in doing such they win already.

They do have a warrant, they're the Government, and it's legal to do their job. They're not coming into your home and forcing you to take a piss-test or be frisked, you're coming to them, it's a choice, if you don't like it you can wallow in sorrow while your family has a grand party without you.

Yes, remove frisking and put in profiling, I can't wait till 'granny and the little kid' are brainwashed or blackmailed into blowing up a plane, just because you don't want to be frisked (which rarely happens, actually).

If you don't like the U.S, go flock north to Canada. Terrorists don't give a shit about paranoia, they want blood, and they haven't gotten blood since the TSA was introduced.

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

I've made my position clear before. If we've allowed a terrorist plot to get to the point where it's up to the TSA to stop them at the fucking gate we've already failed miserably in our war on terror. We should be stopping these people before they are already at the fucking airport, not picking people out of lines who look middle eastern and giving them strip searches or detaining them for days.

EDIT: Guess what, Imperium Neo Roma, every fucking nation on earth has experienced a massive drop in terrorist attacks. It's not because of the TSA, it's because the terrorists are not making more fucking attacks. Our intervention in Afghanistan has got them on the run, and we're burning down the poppy fields they make money with in A-stan. They can't attack us on our homeland when they're worrying about us coordinating with local governments and bombing the piss out of them in Yemen/Afghanistan. TSA has shit all to do with it, and the underwear bomber everyone was so concerned about wasn't even carrying enough C4 to damage the plane.

[Patriqvinia]

No one said no security, just the way its being done is beyond what should be considered acceptable. You honestly think i advocate no bag check? I never said that. But being frisked without a warrant or even being found guilty of doing anything shouldnt be considered acceptable behavior, and i find it disturbing that you actually advocate it. You honestly think "frisking" will stop another attack? you are crazy if you do, theres no way to stop it altogether.. so yes, i do think frisking people cuz of a terrorist attack and people dying is a poor excuse.. if anything profiling should be done, cuz honestly, granny and the little kid aint gonna be bombing. I refuse to live in paranoia of a terrorist attack.. in doing such they win already.

They do have a warrant, they're the Government, and it's legal to do their job. They're not coming into your home and forcing you to take a piss-test or be frisked, you're coming to them, it's a choice, if you don't like it you can wallow in sorrow while your family has a grand party without you.

Yes, remove frisking and put in profiling, I can't wait till 'granny and the little kid' are brainwashed or blackmailed into blowing up a plane, just because you don't want to be frisked (which rarely happens, actually).

If you don't like the U.S, go flock north to Canada. Terrorists don't give a shit about paranoia, they want blood, and they haven't gotten blood since the TSA was introduced.

Sigh... "Any society that would give a little liberty to gain a little security, will deserve neither and lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
I know members of the 100-or-less club have difficulty understanding, or even entertaining, this sentiment; but I just couldn't help myself here (I think it was the bleating of a blind-folded sheep in a lion suit). Hitler came to power because of the same brand of paranoid hysteria embodied by the TSA.

[Aethyopea]

They do have a warrant, they're the Government, and it's legal to do their job. They're not coming into your home and forcing you to take a piss-test or be frisked, you're coming to them, it's a choice, if you don't like it you can wallow in sorrow while your family has a grand party without you.

Yes, remove frisking and put in profiling, I can't wait till 'granny and the little kid' are brainwashed or blackmailed into blowing up a plane, just because you don't want to be frisked (which rarely happens, actually).

If you don't like the U.S, go flock north to Canada. Terrorists don't give a shit about paranoia, they want blood, and they haven't gotten blood since the TSA was introduced.

Sigh... "Any society that would give a little liberty to gain a little security, will deserve neither and lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
I know members of the 100-or-less club have difficulty understanding, or even entertaining, this sentiment; but I just couldn't help myself here (I think it was the bleating of a blind-folded sheep in a lion suit). Hitler came to power because of the same brand of paranoid hysteria embodied by the TSA.

Correction: They who can give up ESSENTIAL liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
It's a pretty big distinction to make. Everyone gives up a little liberty to obtain safety. It's called "laws". It's the essential ones you have to worry about. The right to free speech, freedom of religion, that kind of thing.

[Patriqvinia]

Sigh... "Any society that would give a little liberty to gain a little security, will deserve neither and lose both." - Benjamin Franklin
I know members of the 100-or-less club have difficulty understanding, or even entertaining, this sentiment; but I just couldn't help myself here (I think it was the bleating of a blind-folded sheep in a lion suit). Hitler came to power because of the same brand of paranoid hysteria embodied by the TSA.

Correction: They who can give up ESSENTIAL liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
It's a pretty big distinction to make. Everyone gives up a little liberty to obtain safety. It's called "laws". It's the essential ones you have to worry about. The right to free speech, freedom of religion, that kind of thing.

(That particular quote does have a few minor variations) Yeah, there's some truth to that; though, I don't think any of the founders would have ever said that they believed anyone was ever at liberty to commit wanton murder or theft (under their natural law).

[Risottia]

guess whos not going to the family reunion cuz of TSA? Me. I refuse to subject myself to that crap.

Could take the train, or bus.

Or he could work harder , earn more, and buy HIS OWN PRIVATE airplane instead of relying on Gov't-subsided transportation like a social parasite!

*oh, and add a random free market fairy, btw*

[Blouman Empire]

Funny that you would have such a sentiment... I'm supposed to be going to a family reunion this summer in Maine.. i live in California.. guess whos not going to the family reunion cuz of TSA? Me. I refuse to subject myself to that crap.

It's not TSAs fault, you might as well be a terrorist from what I've gathered, trying to hide his attempts to blow up a Cali-Maine flight by saying it was a family reunion. If you can't handle walking through a metal detector, emptying your pockets, and getting your I.D checked, then perhaps you don't need to fly, you might harm the other passengers with your Far-Left Bullshit.

Except it is more then that and you know it

[The Corparation]

The patdowns are silly and should stop. The full body scanners, metal detectors and odor sensors should be fine for checking a person without touching anywhere near their groin.