Who would be better? Regan or Roosevelt?

[Terra Agora]

FDR did nothing but prolong the Great Depression.

Only in the fantasy land where macroeconomics doesn't exist.

[Xsyne]

Did Roosevelt commit high treason to raise funds necessary to pay genocidal death squads to rape nuns? No? Then Roosevelt.

That was easy.

[You-Gi-Owe]

Well, I was watching a tv program about Regan and Roosevelt the other day, and I had a question, who would win in the upcoming presidential election, if these two were still alive and ran for president? Ronald Regan, or Franklin Deleano Roosevelt? One is a Democrat, and another a Republican, so who would win?

Reagan would likely be a much better campaigner than FDR.
Reagan was totally at ease on television, while FDR would be seen to be struggling with the effects of his bouts with Polio.
Reagan likely would have destroyed FDR the same way he got to Carter, since FDR's economic policies lengthened the Great Depression. Even FDR's Treasury Secretary admitted in testimony that throwing money at the problems didn't help.

[Revolutopia]

Well, I was watching a tv program about Regan and Roosevelt the other day, and I had a question, who would win in the upcoming presidential election, if these two were still alive and ran for president? Ronald Regan, or Franklin Deleano Roosevelt? One is a Democrat, and another a Republican, so who would win?

Reagan would likely be a much better campaigner than FDR.
Reagan was totally at ease on television, while FDR would be seen to be struggling with the effects of his bouts with Polio.
Reagan likely would have destroyed FDR the same way he got to Carter, since FDR's economic policies lengthened the Great Depression. Even FDR's Treasury Secretary admitted in testimony that throwing money at the problems didn't help.

What makes you think that Reagan would be a better campaigner then FDR, saying it was Roosevelt's campaign techniques that greatly expired Reagan's run for office. Additionally, it was not really until 1944 that Roosevelt started to be visibly consumed by his polio. Additionally, there is the fact that many individuals would probably find it more inspiring that FDR is able to overcome his polio and still run a strong campaign for president. Moreover, Reagan was also showing signs of Alzheimer and he was still able to win and that is probably worse to have then just being crippled.

On the last point, the majority of Economists and Economic Historians disagree with the arguement that the New Deal lengthened the Great Depression.

[Mosasauria]

Regan, he made some almost decent movies. Where's FDR's medicore acting?

This.

[United Dependencies]

Teddy Roosevelt

[Malgrave]

FDR.

Fox news would probably have a heart attack as well. So it's win-win.

[Killbastards]

As much as I dislike both, Reagan did less damage.

Reagan did less damage during his term but his legacy paved the way for the growth of the asset bubble that almost crippled the American economy.

Not at all. Reagan did a huge amount of good during his time and I'd say that he was probably the greatest reason for why the Cold War ended. FDR, on the other hand, paved the way for a whole series of imperialistic presidencies and introduced a whole bunch of BS liberal programs that, unfortunately, have inspired Obama to copy him. And look how well that's turning out for us Americans. It didn't work during the thrities, and it sure isn't working now.

[Idaho Conservatives]

This thread doesn't prove one damn thing to anyone except that NSG leans pretty hard to the left.

[You-Gi-Owe]

Reagan would likely be a much better campaigner than FDR.
Reagan was totally at ease on television, while FDR would be seen to be struggling with the effects of his bouts with Polio.
Reagan likely would have destroyed FDR the same way he got to Carter, since FDR's economic policies lengthened the Great Depression. Even FDR's Treasury Secretary admitted in testimony that throwing money at the problems didn't help.

What makes you think that Reagan would be a better campaigner then FDR, saying it was Roosevelt's campaign techniques that greatly expired Reagan's run for office. Additionally, it was not really until 1946 that Roosevelt started to be visibly consumed by his polio. Additionally, there is the fact that many individuals would probably find it more inspiring that FDR is able to overcome his polio and still run a strong campaign for president. Moreover, Reagan was also showing signs of Alzheimer and he was still able to win and that is probably worse to have then just being crippled.

On the last point, the majority of Economists and Economic Historians disagree with the arguement that the New Deal lengthened the Great Depression.

Hi, Rev.

FDR totally avoided having pictures taken of him in his wheelchair, and I seriously doubt he could have avoided such pics from being taken in a modern election. Perhaps he could have campaigned on, but it would have been a blow to his self confidence. While admitting to Alzheimer's Disease after his Presidency, accusations of the disease during Reagan's Presidency are contested (Reagan's sons are on opposite sides of this arguement).

And Reagan could use the words of FDR's own Treasury Secretary to slam home the final nail in the coffin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Jr.

Henry Morgenthau, Jr. was FDR's Secretary of the Treasury from 1934-1945. In the following important quote, he admits that the big New Deal stimulus spending programs had failed.

(p. 2) We have tried spending money. We are spending more money than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just none interest, and if I am wrong . . . somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job, I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. . . . I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started . . . . And an enormous debt to boot!

[The Parkus Empire]

I think I already pointed out that raising taxes on the lowest income earners won't help.

[Revolutopia]

Hi, Rev.

FDR totally avoided having pictures taken of him in his wheelchair, and I seriously doubt he could have avoided such pics from being taken in a modern election. Perhaps he could have campaigned on, but it would have been a blow to his self confidence. While admitting to Alzheimer's Disease after his Presidency, accusations of the disease during Reagan's Presidency are contested (Reagan's sons are on opposite sides of this arguement).

The thing is Roosevelt wouldn't need to either hide or campaign on his having polio. In that, today's society does not have the same negative view on the helplessness of the handicaped therefore him being in a wheelchair would be a complete non-issue to society at the whole. And if any opponent tried to make a big deal out of it would be complete politcal suicide as it would only seem like an attack on the handicaped and disabled.

And Reagan could use the words of FDR's own Treasury Secretary to slam home the final nail in the coffin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgenthau,_Jr.

Henry Morgenthau, Jr. was FDR's Secretary of the Treasury from 1934-1945. In the following important quote, he admits that the big New Deal stimulus spending programs had failed.

(p. 2) We have tried spending money. We are spending more money than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just none interest, and if I am wrong . . . somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job, I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. . . . I say after eight years of this administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started . . . . And an enormous debt to boot![/quote:]

[Blahem]

This thread doesn't prove one damn thing to anyone except that NSG leans pretty hard to the left.

Would you still be flustered if it leaned more to the right?

FDR all the way.

[Frei Volk]

That is a really good question. Although Roosevelt did tons of damage to the economy, and the wealth of individual Americans. Not to mention doing nothing to stop Japan, and Germany as they expanded early in his term; he is still well regarded as a President. Reagan on the other hand did create the environment that lead to the tech boom and had nothing to do with the tech bubble. I can't tell you who would win, but I can tell you who I would vote for. FDR gets a lot of credit for leading the country morally through the Depression, and the war though.

[Frei Volk]

I think I already pointed out that raising taxes on the lowest income earners won't help.

Does that mean you supported George W. Bush for his tax cuts? Or do you still hate his decision to lower the income tax for the 5% of income earners who pay 70% of the income tax? FDR on the other hand had income taxes that were at 100% for some people in some circumstances.

[The Corparation]

This thread doesn't prove one damn thing to anyone except that NSG leans pretty hard to the left.

No the internet in general leans to the left. Old people aren't as tech savvy.

[Revolutopia]

1946? Roosevelt was dead by a year by then. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt Remember Warm Springs, Truman, etc.

Sorry, I meant 1944 though I don't think it is that big of a deal as I am guessing most people would figure I meant during the running of his fourth term not when he was dead.

[Daistallia 2104]

Well, I was watching a tv program about Regan and Roosevelt the other day, and I had a question, who would win in the upcoming presidential election, if these two were still alive and ran for president? Ronald Regan, or Franklin Deleano Roosevelt? One is a Democrat, and another a Republican, so who would win?

Is Ronald Regan the long lost brother of the former Treasury Secretary and Chief of Staff Donald Regan?

[Frei Volk]

Did Roosevelt commit high treason to raise funds necessary to pay genocidal death squads to rape nuns? No? Then Roosevelt.

That was easy.

No, he only put American citizens in concentration camps. And the thing where he tried to be a puppet-master to the Supreme Court probably wasn't totally immoral at all.

[Frei Volk]

Yeah it's instead it's "lets pack the supreme court with my justices because my liberal policies failed to do anything about the depression". It took ww2 to bring america back from that.

Actually, the Supreme Court challenge was at the beginning, so, it had nothing to do with whether it was effective or not. Further, all those armaments in WWII? Bought and paid for by the US Government, directly. Sounds pretty socialist to me.

In order for it to've not been "liberal" they should've just waited to see if the Free Market dictated for tanks to be built or not.

That is not true. I don't want to have to force you to read the Constitution, or our founders writings; but let's just say there is no constitutional inconsistency with having a military. Our founders knew that Defense was a governments most important priority. That is why President Jefferson created the Marine Core. 'Cause he was awesome.

[Revolutopia]

Actually, the Supreme Court challenge was at the beginning, so, it had nothing to do with whether it was effective or not. Further, all those armaments in WWII? Bought and paid for by the US Government, directly. Sounds pretty socialist to me.

In order for it to've not been "liberal" they should've just waited to see if the Free Market dictated for tanks to be built or not.

That is not true. I don't want to have to force you to read the Constitution, or our founders writings; but let's just say there is no constitutional inconsistency with having a military. Our founders knew that Defense was a governments most important priority. That is why President Jefferson created the Marine Core. 'Cause he was awesome.

Is that why it was not until after WW2 that the U.S ever had a peacetime standing army, the Founding Fathers probably feared on standing army and enlarged defensive spending then they feared government welfare.

[Magical Potato]

Reagen because he was our best president while Roosevelt did a horrible mass expansion of our government and ushered in the progressive era and was probably one of bottome 10 presidents........ People are not going to like this post if they voted Roosevelt...... Also it's Reagen not Roosevelt?

[Josh Sinister]

Ronald Reagan is the most overrated US President of all time.

This.

This.

[Geilinor]

Social Security was signed into law by FDR; its current state is irrelevant to this discussion, as is the current state of unions.

Slow down there, sport. It is very current. He created a program that is now a mess. Regardless of how you feel about him and SS, it is very relevant.

The current state of Social Security and unions isn't FDR's doing. It's been over 65 years since FDR left office, so he didn't have control over what happened after.

[Xsyne]

I think I already pointed out that raising taxes on the lowest income earners won't help.

Does that mean you supported George W. Bush for his tax cuts? Or do you still hate his decision to lower the income tax for the 5% of income earners who pay 70% of the income tax? FDR on the other hand had income taxes that were at 100% for some people in some circumstances.

Hey, quick question. What percentage of the wealth does the 5% that pays 70% of the income tax control?

Trick question, no 5% of the US population pays 70% of the income tax. The upper 20% pay about 59%. They also control about 85% of all wealth.