GlaxoSmithKline admits that vaccines cause autism

[Godular]

Quoting natural news is a "credible source" is like referring to a car with no engine as "a well-running vehicle".

Nah... The latter is more accurate.

Like pointing at a rock and calling it proof positive that extraterrestrial life cannot possibly exist because of the leprechaun supremacy movement?

Edited to fix analogy to be more believable.

[Wisconsin9]

http://www.naturalnews.com/049494_Robert_Kennedy_vaccine_holocaust_immunization_damage.html

Amazing! You single-handedly managed to refute not one, not two, but absolutely none of the points made against you in this thread! Guys, I know it's still early, but I think we should start seriously considering them for Worst New Debater of 2015!

[Cyrisnia]

http://www.naturalnews.com/049494_Robert_Kennedy_vaccine_holocaust_immunization_damage.html

[Seno Zhou Varada]

http://www.naturalnews.com/049494_Robert_Kennedy_vaccine_holocaust_immunization_damage.html

The science for that is worse than the science for the USB pet rock. Try again.

[AiliailiA]

http://www.naturalnews.com/049494_Robert_Kennedy_vaccine_holocaust_immunization_damage.html

I read the TITLE of that article, before exiting the browser in a fit of laughter-rage. Is this intended to support your argument somehow?

I read the first paragraph as well.

It starts: "At a recent screening of the powerful new documentary film Trace Amounts, which exposes the scientific connection between mercury in vaccines and autism ..."

A mercury compound (Thiomersal) has been used in vaccines since the 1930's. The supposed "autism epidemic" didn't start for another fifty years.

Even more compellingly, diagnosis of autism hasn't decreased in the 15 years since thiomersal was replaced in most vaccines used in the US and Europe. Though it is still used in some, the overall exposure to thiomersal has been cut to a fraction of what it was in the 1990's with no noticeable effect on autism rates.

And if even that isn't enough, there's an exposed group and a non-exposed group to compare with each other. The FDA has a list of vaccines by manufacturer, some of which contain thiomersal and most of which don't. The most common vaccination (DTaP followed later by Tdap) contains no mercury, but Influenza vaccination is also quite common and comes in mercury/no-mercury forms.

If the vaccines still having mercury in them were causing autism at a higher rate than those with no mercury, the effect would be clear as a bell. No conspiracy by manufacturers could cover it up. Thiomersal in the doses used in vaccines doesn't have any negative effect that is even measurable and definitely does not cause autism.

[Arana]

I read the TITLE of that article, before exiting the browser in a fit of laughter-rage. Is this intended to support your argument somehow?

I read the first paragraph as well.

It starts: "At a recent screening of the powerful new documentary film Trace Amounts, which exposes the scientific connection between mercury in vaccines and autism ..."

A mercury compound (Thiomersal) has been used in vaccines since the 1930's. The supposed "autism epidemic" didn't start for another fifty years.

Even more compellingly, diagnosis of autism hasn't decreased in the 15 years since thiomersal was replaced in most vaccines used in the US and Europe. Though it is still used in some, the overall exposure to thiomersal has been cut to a fraction of what it was in the 1990's with no noticeable effect on autism rates.

And if even that isn't enough, there's an exposed group and a non-exposed group to compare with each other. The FDA has a list of vaccines by manufacturer, some of which contain thiomersal and most of which don't. The most common vaccination (DTaP followed later by Tdap) contains no mercury, but Influenza vaccination is also quite common and comes in mercury/no-mercury forms.

If the vaccines still having mercury in them were causing autism at a higher rate than those with no mercury, the effect would be clear as a bell. No conspiracy by manufacturers could cover it up. Thiomersal in the doses used in vaccines doesn't have any negative effect that is even measurable and definitely does not cause autism.

Thiomersal actually was a good thing. It's flushed out of the body before it can do anything resembling damage, AND it helped preserve vaccines so that one vial could be used for multiple doses. It made vaccines cheaper and more available, with no negative effects whatsoever.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

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Couldn't have said that better, mate.

[Aravea]

http://www.naturalnews.com/049494_Robert_Kennedy_vaccine_holocaust_immunization_damage.html

So you continue to quote that rubbish, despite other users having provided you with a multitude of scientifically validated studies that completely and utterly debunk your argument? Well I must give you props for persistence. However, I still hold that you do a disservice to the autistic community by continuing to imply that life saving vaccines are behind the outbreak of autism.

[AiliailiA]

I think at this point it should be incredibly obvious to anyone and everyone, that vaccines, cause autism and are resolinsible for the autism epicdmic. We have known this clearly for 17 years now, yet some people have still disagreed claiming conflicting evidence. However there is more and more proof than every before that vaccines cause autism, and now that we have heard it right from the horses mouth I think it is impossible for anyone to logically disagree that vaccines cause autism.

What do you think?

I find it interesting that they have a link to the report and they talk about a specific thing that is IN the report but they don't tell you how to find that particular thing in the 1200 page report.

The most detailed description of the two (yes TWO) autism cases is in Appendix 4E.

Because it was table-form, it was printed up the page. The page number thus appears on the left instead of at the bottom.

Page 995 of the pdf, but the easiest way to find it is to search for the word "autism".

2 cases observed, only one of which has a date of observation, out of how many?

During the period covered by this report 24 283 415 doses of Infanrix^TM hexa have been distributed. ... As vaccination with Infanrix^TM hexa can vary between 1 and 4 doses per subject in accordance with local recommendations and compliance with the vaccination schedule, and assuming that one dose distributed corresponds to one dose administered, post-marketing exposure to InfanrixTM hexa during the SBR reporting period is estimated to be between 6 070 854 and 24 283 415 subjects.

2 out of at least 6 million.

That is not statistically significant. Even if was 20 or 100 cases not previously diagnosed, but observed by the physician giving a vaccination, it would still be within the range of coincidence.

And as I said in an earlier post, at that rate the parent of a one-month old child is more likely to see their child die of some other cause than to get autism from a vaccination. Three thousand times more likely.

[AiliailiA]

I read the first paragraph as well.

It starts: "At a recent screening of the powerful new documentary film Trace Amounts, which exposes the scientific connection between mercury in vaccines and autism ..."

A mercury compound (Thiomersal) has been used in vaccines since the 1930's. The supposed "autism epidemic" didn't start for another fifty years.

Even more compellingly, diagnosis of autism hasn't decreased in the 15 years since thiomersal was replaced in most vaccines used in the US and Europe. Though it is still used in some, the overall exposure to thiomersal has been cut to a fraction of what it was in the 1990's with no noticeable effect on autism rates.

And if even that isn't enough, there's an exposed group and a non-exposed group to compare with each other. The FDA has a list of vaccines by manufacturer, some of which contain thiomersal and most of which don't. The most common vaccination (DTaP followed later by Tdap) contains no mercury, but Influenza vaccination is also quite common and comes in mercury/no-mercury forms.

If the vaccines still having mercury in them were causing autism at a higher rate than those with no mercury, the effect would be clear as a bell. No conspiracy by manufacturers could cover it up. Thiomersal in the doses used in vaccines doesn't have any negative effect that is even measurable and definitely does not cause autism.

Thiomersal actually was a good thing. It's flushed out of the body before it can do anything resembling damage, AND it helped preserve vaccines so that one vial could be used for multiple doses. It made vaccines cheaper and more available, with no negative effects whatsoever.

I don't have a problem with it in vaccines. At the quantity used it is harmless. However let's not go beyond that to make the unsupportable claim that it isn't poisonous. The acute lethal dose is between 1 and 4 grams.

My point is that since it was phased out of most vaccines (and other injections) autism diagnoses have continued at the same or higher rate, and that some children and adults still get exposed to thiomersal while others don't. That's two kinds of control/experiment group (earlier/later, and simultaneous) and neither demonstrates a measurable negative effect of thiomersal at the 25 microgram level it was delivered in.

[Vassenor]

Surprisingly we haven't actually seen any of the common anti-vaccination arguments yet. It's all been "here's a website that agrees with me so it must be true".

Also from what I've googled Natural News is basically a site devoted to "See this thing you thought was harmless? Here's how it's secretly killing you and the government is trying to cover it up."

If I wanted that, I'd just read the Daily Mail.

[Insaeldor]

This is absolute bull. Vaccines don't cause autism. I would be autistic if they did.

Autism has risen from 1 in 10000 in the 1980s to 1 in 29 today. We are on track to 1 in 1 if we don't stop using vaccines.

1 in 69*

Also did you ever consiter that given the expanded spectrum of autism and the increase in ability and methods to detect autism that autism rates would grow?

Autism is an extremely broad spectrum from very mild Asperger's syndrome to full on unintelegability. It's extremely broad and that plenty of people with autism can operate with little issue in society.

Vaccines don't make you Autistic, your parents shitty genes make you autistic.

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

This is all I have to add to this debate, really - http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

[Costa Fierro]

Also from what I've googled Natural News is basically a site devoted to "See this thing you thought was harmless? Here's how it's secretly killing you and the government is trying to cover it up."

There was a thread on here a while back about how the person behind Natural News released a list of prominent scientists and asked their followers to, essentially, kill them.

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

Also from what I've googled Natural News is basically a site devoted to "See this thing you thought was harmless? Here's how it's secretly killing you and the government is trying to cover it up."

There was a thread on here a while back about how the person behind Natural News released a list of prominent scientists and asked their followers to, essentially, kill them.

viewtopic.php?p=21066890#p21066890
Found it. It was creepier than I thought it'd be.

[Vassenor]

There was a thread on here a while back about how the person behind Natural News released a list of prominent scientists and asked their followers to, essentially, kill them.

viewtopic.php?p=21066890#p21066890
Found it. It was creepier than I thought it'd be.

My reaction in a nutshell.

[Ifreann]

http://www.naturalnews.com/049494_Robert_Kennedy_vaccine_holocaust_immunization_damage.html

"Don't mind me, just gonna ignore pages and pages of arguments to post something I know everyone won't believe and then run away"

[Romano-Germanic Empire]

I find it funny how few people seem to have realized that Bachmann America is a parody nation.

[Arana]

I find it funny how few people seem to have realized that Bachmann America is a parody nation.

Yeah, but thre are people who actually believe this kinda shit.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I find it funny how few people seem to have realized that Bachmann America is a parody nation.

The result of vaccine-based mind-control, probably.

[Imperializt Russia]

This seems like a really bad source; look at the right of the page. It also advertises 'weird tricks to get 20/20 vision' and other things along with that.

Oh yeah, Natural News is an absolute joke. An unfunny one at that.

[Morrdh]

This is absolute bull. Vaccines don't cause autism. I would be autistic if they did.

Autism has risen from 1 in 10000 in the 1980s to 1 in 29 today. We are on track to 1 in 1 if we don't stop using vaccines.

Autism has been around for longer than vaccines have, its taken the last 50 years or so to be recognized.

Autism is, for the most part (a person can get it later in life after suffering brain damage in an accident), largely due to genetics (parents who carry the gene are more likely to have autistic children).

Some vaccines can trigger Autism in somebody who already has it in a dormant state, then again so can lots of other things[/i].

[b]Vaccines DO NOT directly cause it.

There are a ton of other factors in play.

Also, the whole supposed MMR link has been disproven in a major study recently.

[Dyakovo]

I find it funny how few people seem to have realized that Bachmann America is a parody nation.

I wouldn't say "parody"...

[Imperializt Russia]

This is absolute bull. Vaccines don't cause autism. I would be autistic if they did.

Autism has risen from 1 in 10000 in the 1980s to 1 in 29 today. We are on track to 1 in 1 if we don't stop using vaccines.

Dunno about you, but 1 in 1 autism rates sound preferable to being killed by preventable diseases.

[Romano-Germanic Empire]

I find it funny how few people seem to have realized that Bachmann America is a parody nation.

Yeah, but thre are people who actually believe this kinda shit.

That's what makes it funny. Bachmann America is the personification of their ignorance. I find his/her rantings pretty amusing.