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Postby Big Eyed Animation » Fri Apr 26, 2024 8:58 pm

Nothing mentioned by Reuters or AP. Nothing about this from CNN or any other mainstream news outlets.
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Postby Shrillland » Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:05 am

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Except I'm not doing that at all, BAMN is not a Palestinian Protest organization in the slightest, it's just a Leftist militant group who like to crash Left leaning causes in order to be violent as part of their desires to "Smash the State" and other assorted tenets of violent anarchism.

If anything this is just further proof that the violent behavior is being carried out by 3rd party groups who are simply using the Palestinian protests as a mask and they don't care about dragging down the legitimate Palestinian protesters in the process.

Shrillland made the mistake of reading my post which was: "Yeah this clearly looks like a third party group" to go "Why did the protesters do this?"

BAMN have acted like provocateurs in the past, so seeing their banner at one of these protests makes me suspicious of the narrative about "Violent Palestinian Protesters".


Sorry, I didn't see the full context. My apologies.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:11 am

Harvard, Columbia say no to students demanding to sell Israel investments (Business Standard)
"We're willing to risk suspension, expulsion and arrest, and I think that that will put pressure," said Malak Afaneh, a law student at University of California, Berkeley, and a protest organizer
A cause celebre is ringing out across Harvard Yard, Columbia’s South Lawn, Yale’s Beinecke Plaza and UC Berkeley’s Sproul Plaza: Disclose and divest.

And university students say they won’t stop protesting against Israel until that demand is met.

“We’re willing to risk suspension, expulsion and arrest, and I think that that will put pressure,” said Malak Afaneh, a law student at University of California, Berkeley, and a protest organizer.

She and her fellow pro-Palestinian demonstrators want universities to cut their investments in everything tied to Israel and weapons that fuel the war in Gaza. That means funds run by BlackRock, Google as well as Amazon’s cloud service, Lockheed Martin and even Airbnb.

It’s a long-shot demand — university administrators and lawmakers have for decades rejected the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement against Israel, viewing it as antisemitic because it calls into question the legitimacy of the Jewish state and singles out the policies of one country.

What’s more, acting on the BDS concept is discouraged by laws in more than half of US states, including New York and California, and is fiercely opposed by many donors and alumni.

Yet it’s gaining proponents, especially among students at elite universities since Oct. 7, when Hamas attacked Israel and sparked the conflict in Gaza that has killed tens of thousands of Palestinians.

They’re chanting on college grounds, waving Palestinian flags, wearing keffiyehs and beating drums. Encampments have sprouted on campuses, including at Harvard where about 30 tents currently stand in front of the John Harvard statue, according to the Harvard Crimson.

Some protesters, including at Columbia and Berkeley, have threatened Jewish students and expressed support for Hamas, which is designated a terrorist organization by the US.

All that has left universities struggling to balance the right to free speech with the need for maintaining order and ensuring the safety of students. But on the question of divestment, they are unmoved.

Harvard, which has the largest US endowment at almost $51 billion, made clear this month it “opposes calls for a policy of boycotting Israel and its academic institutions.” Brown refused to acknowledge BDS demands while students led an eight-day hunger strike. Yale this week wouldn’t even consider a proposal to divest from weapons makers and instead police rounded up protesters outside of the Schwarzman Center, arresting more than 40 students.

BDS supporters take inspiration from the drive to isolate South Africa during the apartheid era — including actions taken at the time by Columbia, Michigan State and California universities — and recent pushes for colleges to address fossil fuel holdings.

This time at Michigan State, where groups of students are camped in tents in People’s Park, there’s no appetite for severing ties with Israel.

“Divestment would conflict with stewarding the institution’s financial health, would increase investment risks, and limit returns and jeopardize the assurance resources will continue to be available now and for future generations,” said Sandy Pierce, chair of Michigan State University’s board, speaking earlier this month at a Board of Trustees meeting.

Columbia in February declined a proposal to withdraw financial support from Israel, months before students set up tents on the Morningside Heights campus and created a standoff with the university that resulted in more than 100 arrests.

Ray Guerrero, 27, who’s studying for a masters in public health, helped pen the divestment proposal for the Columbia University Apartheid Divest coalition. The group has a litany of demands, including cutting ties to Israeli academic institutions, defunding public safety and reparations for the indigenous people of New York. Guerrero understands the goals are lofty for the immediate term, but stresses the main focus for now is disclosure and divestment around Columbia’s $13.6 billion endowment.

Layla Saliba, a 24-year-old studying for a masters in social work, is part of CUAD’s research team, which she said has been studying the school’s financial disclosures, including its tax forms and 13Fs disclosures to the Securities and Exchange Commission.

“We were only able to get about 0.6% of their investments as public information,” she said.

The latest 13F discloses just $47 million of its holdings, with the vast majority stock in Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway. That leaves billions of dollars undisclosed.

“That’s really concerning because our endowment, yes, it’s funded by benefactors, it’s funded by donors, but a portion of that is also funded with our tuition dollars,” Saliba said. “And we feel that as students, we need to have more transparency on that.”

Universities say the protesters’ claims aren’t accurate.

College endowments are almost always funded with donations and investment gains, not necessarily tuition revenue. What’s more, they fund financial aid for students and other operating expenses such as teacher salaries.

And the challenge isn’t just ideological. Endowments typically don’t hold large concentrations of single stocks as they used to decades ago, when activists targeted companies operating in South Africa.

Endowments have long relied on external managers, including private equity firms and hedge funds. Almost 700 institutions hold about $840 billion in endowment assets. They also use ETFs, index funds or mutual funds that pool hundreds of stocks and bonds.

With private equity, a school’s money may be locked up for several years, without an option to withdraw, while hedge fund managers can rapidly move in and out of securities without disclosing their trades to investors.

“These active strategies are not buying stocks to hold on for the long term,” said Philip Zecher, chief investment officer of Michigan State University’s $4 billion fund. “They’re looking to make money off trading. It’s not like your grandmother buying AT&T stock and sitting on it for 50 years.”

The fight against fossil fuel investment, a cause championed by students for decades, also shows how hard it can be to implement divestment. Universities largely haven’t switched strategies to sell holdings, which are frequently tied up in long-term private equity funds, even as they’ve committed to policies designed to reduce greenhouse gas emissions on campuses.

Despite the setbacks and opposition, some pro-Palestine protesters are undeterred.

“It seems like a no for now, but students will keep pushing,” said Lumisa Bista, a junior studying astrophysics at Yale, who was among protesters at the university who slept overnight at Beinecke Plaza this week. “I’ll keep pushing.”

As pro-Palestinian protests sweep campus, student journalists are rushing to the big story and exams (CNN)
CNN — Arianna Smith is juggling a lot right now.

Smith is editor-in-chief of The Lantern, Ohio State University’s student-run newspaper, which has scrambled in recent days to cover pro-Palestinian protests roiling the campus.

It’s also finals week, and in the coming days the newspaper’s staff will transition to the next year’s staff. But the news doesn’t account for exams.

“We have had reporters and editors drop everything they are doing [to cover the story], even though they have finals that they should be studying for,” Smith told CNN.

As universities across the country crack down on demonstrations over Israel’s military actions in Gaza and police arrest hundreds of protesters, student-run newspapers have quickly become an essential source of news coverage for both the campus communities and nation at large, providing crucial transparency and scrutiny of authorities.

And, for many of these student journalists, it’s becoming a seminal moment in their nascent careers.

“It’s so important to have journalists that care about being objective, and to have journalists that really know the power that their writing has,” Smith said of her newspaper’s reporters.

When demonstrations broke out on the Columbus campus this week, resulting in multiple arrests, the Lantern’s staff reported from the protest scenes, detailed actions of the police, and investigated Ohio State University policies barring encampments.

“We’re not only covering the protests, but we’re covering and getting the opinions from these people that are involved in this protest,” Smith said. “And we’re also making sure that we’re analyzing the legalities behind all of these policies that the university is enforcing.”

At the University of Southern California, nearly 100 people were arrested this week as protests swelled on campus and university leaders imposed restrictions on demonstrations.

Anjali Patel, editor-in-chief of the university’s newspaper, The Daily Trojan, immediately recognized the student-led publication had an advantage over the national press as they raced to cover the story.

“Given that we’re student journalists, we know the campus and the students here. That gives us a different angle than professional news outlets,” Patel said. “We’re also completely student-led, so the way that we approach work and reporting is different, but I think that’s to our advantage.”

The tension at USC has been boiling since administrators canceled its Muslim valedictorian’s commencement speech — and, on Thursday, the main graduation ceremony — citing safety concerns. As pressure mounted on campus, the newspaper mobilized a handful of writers who worked together to cover the protests. But, as police were deployed on campus, The Daily Trojan increased the number of assigned reporters to cover events.

When officers moved to make dozens of arrests Wednesday at a protest encampment, it was “all hands on deck,” Patel said, adding that The Daily Trojan deployed at least five photographers and eight other staff members to cover the demonstrations.

These young journalists, while juggling classes and the stress of exams, are also intimately involved with the student community, translating the student body’s mood on their campus for the rest of the nation.

At the University of Texas at Austin, dozens of protesters were arrested Wednesday after pro-Palestinian demonstrators were met by state troopers “in full riot gear with batons,” Amelia Kimball, associate managing editor of The Daily Texan told CNN.

Kimball reported that there was a “physical clash” between students and police on campus with numerous students taken into custody and “put in squad cars.”

The arrests came as Texas Governor Greg Abbott warned that “antisemitism will not be tolerated in Texas” and called for students participating in the protests to be expelled.

“I think there’s a real feeling of betrayal on campus and I think there’s a lot of anger [after students were arrested],” Kimball told CNN’s John Berman.

“State troopers were on campus before students even began to gather,” Kimball added. “And so things just escalated far beyond what students had expected at all, and so yeah, I think students feel betrayed by the university and by our state government.”
Large protests and finals week, a stressful combo if there ever was one.
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Postby Turenia » Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:33 am

Making demonstrations of anti-semitism should result in explosion.

If it were a Nazi protest, the students would rightly be expelled.
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Postby Post War America » Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:08 am

Turenia wrote:Making demonstrations of anti-semitism should result in explosion.

If it were a Nazi protest, the students would rightly be expelled.


Good thing it wasn't a Nazi protest then.

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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:41 am

Turenia wrote:Making demonstrations of anti-semitism should result in explosion.

If it were a Nazi protest, the students would rightly be expelled.


I sure hope you meant 'expulsion' rather than 'explosion'.
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Turenia wrote:Making demonstrations of anti-semitism should result in explosion.

If it were a Nazi protest, the students would rightly be expelled.


I sure hope you meant 'expulsion' rather than 'explosion'.


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I sure hope you meant 'expulsion' rather than 'explosion'.


too late now the batteries in the jewish space laser have fully charged


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Postby Turenia » Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:31 am

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Turenia wrote:Making demonstrations of anti-semitism should result in explosion.

If it were a Nazi protest, the students would rightly be expelled.


I sure hope you meant 'expulsion' rather than 'explosion'.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:50 am

Turenia wrote:Making demonstrations of anti-semitism should result in explosion.

If it were a Nazi protest, the students would rightly be expelled.


Remember, nothing says freedom and democracy like demanding the suppression of people saying genocide is bad.
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Postby Big Eyed Animation » Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:17 am

Chanting "From the river to the sea", is supporting genocide and we take the definition from the people who use it, who also want to obliterate the state of Israel.

Trying to stop Jewish or other students from going to class, by putting hands on them is assault.

Disrupting classes for people who paid for those classes is bullshit and if it's also against school policy then those people have to go protest somewhere else or risk arrest.
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Hamas says it's reviewing an Israel cease-fire proposal as pressure for peace mounts (CBS News)
A new proposal from Israel for a cease-fire in Gaza is reportedly being reviewed by senior Hamas officials on Saturday.

Senior Hamas official Khalil al-Hayva said the Palestinian militant group was evaluating Israel's proposal, and "upon completion of its study, it will submit its response."

According to the Associated Press, he gave no further details of Israel's offer but said it was in response to a proposal from Hamas two weeks ago.

Hamas' statement came hours after a high-level Egyptian delegation wrapped up a visit to Israel where it discussed a "new vision" for a prolonged cease-fire in Gaza, according to an Egyptian official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to freely discuss the developments.

It was not immediately clear whether Israel's latest response to Hamas on a cease-fire was directly related to the Egyptian mediator's visit to Tel Aviv on Friday.

The discussions between Egyptian and Israeli officials focused on the first stage of a multi-phase plan that would include a limited exchange of hostages held by Hamas for Palestinian prisoners, and the return of a significant number of displaced Palestinians to their homes in northern Gaza "with minimum restrictions," the Egyptian official said.

The mediators are working on a compromise that will answer most of both parties' main demands, which could pave the way to continued negotiations with the goal of a larger deal to end the war, the official said.

Next week, Egypt's foreign minister is expected to update international officials in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia during a World Economic Forum meeting, Reuters reported.

Børge Brende, the WEF's president, said at a news conference Saturday that the update will be part of talks between Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and several international officials aimed at pushing for a peace agreement in Gaza.


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A new proposal from Israel for a cease-fire in Gaza is reportedly being reviewed by senior Hamas officials on Saturday.

Senior Hamas official Khalil al-Hayva said the Palestinian militant group was evaluating Israel's proposal, and "upon completion of its study, it will submit its response."

According to the Associated Press, he gave no further details of Israel's offer but said it was in response to a proposal from Hamas two weeks ago.

Hamas' statement came hours after a high-level Egyptian delegation wrapped up a visit to Israel where it discussed a "new vision" for a prolonged cease-fire in Gaza, according to an Egyptian official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to freely discuss the developments.

It was not immediately clear whether Israel's latest response to Hamas on a cease-fire was directly related to the Egyptian mediator's visit to Tel Aviv on Friday.

The discussions between Egyptian and Israeli officials focused on the first stage of a multi-phase plan that would include a limited exchange of hostages held by Hamas for Palestinian prisoners, and the return of a significant number of displaced Palestinians to their homes in northern Gaza "with minimum restrictions," the Egyptian official said.

The mediators are working on a compromise that will answer most of both parties' main demands, which could pave the way to continued negotiations with the goal of a larger deal to end the war, the official said.

Next week, Egypt's foreign minister is expected to update international officials in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia during a World Economic Forum meeting, Reuters reported.

Børge Brende, the WEF's president, said at a news conference Saturday that the update will be part of talks between Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and several international officials aimed at pushing for a peace agreement in Gaza.

"We do have the key players now in Riyadh and hopefully the discussions can lead into a process towards reconciliation and peace," Brende said, adding that Gaza's humanitarian crisis would be on the agenda of the WEF's meeting.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken will attend the meetings alongside regional leaders including Qatar's prime minister, Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, Oman's crown prince and Bahraini officials, Brende said.

"There is now a bit of momentum for negotiations on the hostages and also a possible ceasefire," Brende said.

As the war drags on and casualties mount, there has been growing international pressure for Hamas and Israel to reach an agreement on a cease-fire and avert a possible Israeli attack on Rafah, where more than half of Gaza's 2.3 million people have sought refuge after fleeing fighting elsewhere in the territory.

Israel has been insisting for months it plans a ground offensive into Rafah, on the border with Egypt, where it says many remaining Hamas militants are holed up, despite calls for restraint from the international community including Israel's staunchest ally, the United States.

Egypt has cautioned an offensive into Rafah could have "catastrophic consequences" on the humanitarian situation in Gaza, as well as on regional peace and security.

The Israeli military has massed dozens of tanks and armored vehicles in southern Israel close to Rafah and hit targets in the city in near-daily airstrikes.

Early Saturday, an Israeli airstrike hit a house in Rafah's Tel Sultan neighborhood, killing six people, including four children, according to officials at a local hospital.

The strike killed a man, his wife and their three sons, aged 12, 10 and 8, according to records of the Abu Yousef al-Najjar hospital's morgue. A neighbor's four-month-old girl was also killed, the records showed.

Five people were also killed in the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza overnight when an Israeli strike hit a house, according to officials at the al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital.

Elsewhere, Israeli forces shot and killed two Palestinian men in an exchange of fire at a checkpoint in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, the military said.

Violence in the West Bank has flared since the war started. Since then, 491 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire in the territory according to the Ramallah-based Health Ministry,

The Israeli army said the two men were killed after they opened fire from a vehicle at Israeli troops stationed at Salem checkpoint near the Palestinian city of Jenin.

The U.S. has been critical of Israeli policies in the West Bank and Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who is expected in Israel on Tuesday, has recently determined an army unit committed human rights abuses there before the war in Gaza.

But Blinken said in an undated letter to House Speaker Mike Johnson, obtained by CBS News on Friday, that he is postponing a decision on blocking aid to the unit to give Israel more time to right the wrongdoing.

The information comes as Blinken weighs whether to recommend suspending U.S. aid to the unit under a federal measure known as the Leahy Law. The law prevents the U.S. from providing weapons or funds for military assistance to groups when there is credible information indicating the groups have violated human rights.

According to a source with knowledge of the letter, Johnson had demanded assurance from Blinken before he would put a long-delayed foreign aid package to a vote on the House floor. Blinken's letter was delivered to Johnson last Saturday, the day the vote was to take place.

The U.S. has also been building a pier to deliver aid to Gaza through a new port, which an official said last week was on track to start operating by early May.

The Biden administration has stressed there will be no American boots on the ground for the mission. However, the BBC reported Saturday that the British government was considering deploying troops to drive the trucks to carry the aid to the shore, citing unidentified government sources. British officials declined to comment on the report.

Hamas sparked the war with its attack into southern Israel on Oct. 7, in which militants killed around 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and took some 250 people as hostages. Israel says the militants are still holding around 100 hostages and the remains of more than 30 others.

Since then, more than 34,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel's air and ground offensive, according to the Health Ministry in Hamas-run Gaza, around two-thirds of them women and children.

Israel has reported at least 260 of its soldiers killed since the start of ground operations in Gaza.
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Wisteria and Surrounding Territories wrote:I try not to get involved with this war, but this is just plain threatening!
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Postby Saiwana » Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:12 pm

Wisteria and Surrounding Territories wrote:I try not to get involved with this war, but this is just plain threatening!


They're perhaps getting what they deserve. It is like if the God of the Jews were the real God, that you can't expect to go unpunished or avoid Yahweh's wrath if it is the case that you acted against the people that he most favored.
Just like if everything said about the Ark of the Covenant were true, that you can't expect to not be destroyed on the spot- should you mishandle it.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:20 pm

Saiwana wrote:
Wisteria and Surrounding Territories wrote:I try not to get involved with this war, but this is just plain threatening!


They're perhaps getting what they deserve. It is like if the God of the Jews were the real God, that you can't expect to go unpunished or avoid Yahweh's wrath if it is the case that you acted against the people that he most favored.
Just like if everything said about the Ark of the Covenant were true, that you can't expect to not be destroyed on the spot- should you mishandle it.


If sure is doing a lot of unreasonably heavy lifting in your premise.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:39 pm

Hamas and Iran celebrate anti-Gaza war protests taking US colleges by storm (USA Today)
Protests have embroiled college presidents, students, political leaders from both parties and even the president himself as Jewish students have denounced growing antisemitism on university campuses.
Palestinian militant group Hamas and Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei publicly applauded the growing number of anti-Gaza war protests and encampments that have sprung up on college campuses from California to Massachusetts and have become a flashpoint in the U.S.

Izzat Al-Risheq, a member of the militant group's Political Bureau, said on Wednesday that President Joe Biden's administration is violating the rights of students and faculty members and arresting them, "because of their rejection of the genocide that our Palestinian people are the subjected in the Gaza Strip at the hands of the neo-Nazi Zionists."

The statement claimed: "Today's students are the leaders of the future."

The U.S. designated Hamas a terrorist organization in the late 1990s. Several other countries have labeled it a terrorist group.

Khamenei also put out a statement on X, formerly Twitter, where he celebrated the flying of a Hezbollah's flag in the streets of the U.S. "The people of the world are supporting the Resistance Front because they are resisting & because they are against oppression," the post read.

Plaudits from Iran and Hamas − the group that carried out the Oct. 7 attack prompting the deadliest single assault on Jews since the Holocaust, slaughtering 1,200 and dragging hundreds back to Gaza as hostages − come at a boiling point. Protests have embroiled college presidents, students, political leaders from both parties and even President Biden himself as thousands of Jewish students denounce growing antisemitism on U.S. college campuses.

It should be noted that Iran and Hamas have come under fire for cracking down on their own protest movements. Human Rights Watch, an international watchdog group, documented the "excessive and lethal force" Iranian security forces used to repress widespread protests that erupted in 2022.

In Gaza, beatings and arrests of human rights defenders, journalists and demonstrators by Hamas in recent years, reflect a systematic practice, a report by the watchdog organization found.

Some of the protests on American universities have prompted arrests and police intervention in recent days, showing a deepening dissatisfaction with the U.S.' ironclad support for Israel− it's most important ally in the Middle East− as it wages a war against Hamas.

Biden has faced increased scrutiny from both the American public and members of his own party over his stance on the Israel-Hamas war. Nearly half of American voters, 45%, believe Biden should pressure Israel to ease the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, an exclusive USA TODAY/Suffolk University poll found in March.

Over the last few months, Biden has taken a more strident tone against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, criticizing Israel's failure to protect civilians amid the growing death toll of Palestinians.

At the same time, the U.S. has been working with Egypt and Qatar for months to broker a second temporary cease-fire between Hamas and Israel that would involve a six-week cease-fire in exchange for the release of 40 militant-held hostages and hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.

But progress has stalled.

More than 100 were released last November during a truce. More than 130 hostages remain in held in Gaza. In recent weeks, fears have risen that hostages have perished in captivity. And, that Hamas would fail to bring forth the 40 women, elderly and wounded hostages as part of the deal, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Since the group's founding in 1987, Hamas has called for the establishment of an Islamic Palestinian state that would replace the current state of Israel. Hamas has said it believes in the use of violence to bring about the eradication of Israel.
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Khamenei also put out a statement on X, formerly Twitter, where he celebrated the flying of a Hezbollah's flag in the streets of the U.S. "The people of the world are supporting the Resistance Front because they are resisting & because they are against oppression," the post read.
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Postby Port Carverton » Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:10 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Hamas and Iran celebrate anti-Gaza war protests taking US colleges by storm (USA Today)
Protests have embroiled college presidents, students, political leaders from both parties and even the president himself as Jewish students have denounced growing antisemitism on university campuses.
Palestinian militant group Hamas and Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei publicly applauded the growing number of anti-Gaza war protests and encampments that have sprung up on college campuses from California to Massachusetts and have become a flashpoint in the U.S.

Izzat Al-Risheq, a member of the militant group's Political Bureau, said on Wednesday that President Joe Biden's administration is violating the rights of students and faculty members and arresting them, "because of their rejection of the genocide that our Palestinian people are the subjected in the Gaza Strip at the hands of the neo-Nazi Zionists."

The statement claimed: "Today's students are the leaders of the future."

The U.S. designated Hamas a terrorist organization in the late 1990s. Several other countries have labeled it a terrorist group.

Khamenei also put out a statement on X, formerly Twitter, where he celebrated the flying of a Hezbollah's flag in the streets of the U.S. "The people of the world are supporting the Resistance Front because they are resisting & because they are against oppression," the post read.

Plaudits from Iran and Hamas − the group that carried out the Oct. 7 attack prompting the deadliest single assault on Jews since the Holocaust, slaughtering 1,200 and dragging hundreds back to Gaza as hostages − come at a boiling point. Protests have embroiled college presidents, students, political leaders from both parties and even President Biden himself as thousands of Jewish students denounce growing antisemitism on U.S. college campuses.

It should be noted that Iran and Hamas have come under fire for cracking down on their own protest movements. Human Rights Watch, an international watchdog group, documented the "excessive and lethal force" Iranian security forces used to repress widespread protests that erupted in 2022.

In Gaza, beatings and arrests of human rights defenders, journalists and demonstrators by Hamas in recent years, reflect a systematic practice, a report by the watchdog organization found.

Some of the protests on American universities have prompted arrests and police intervention in recent days, showing a deepening dissatisfaction with the U.S.' ironclad support for Israel− it's most important ally in the Middle East− as it wages a war against Hamas.

Biden has faced increased scrutiny from both the American public and members of his own party over his stance on the Israel-Hamas war. Nearly half of American voters, 45%, believe Biden should pressure Israel to ease the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, an exclusive USA TODAY/Suffolk University poll found in March.

Over the last few months, Biden has taken a more strident tone against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, criticizing Israel's failure to protect civilians amid the growing death toll of Palestinians.

At the same time, the U.S. has been working with Egypt and Qatar for months to broker a second temporary cease-fire between Hamas and Israel that would involve a six-week cease-fire in exchange for the release of 40 militant-held hostages and hundreds of Palestinian prisoners.

But progress has stalled.

More than 100 were released last November during a truce. More than 130 hostages remain in held in Gaza. In recent weeks, fears have risen that hostages have perished in captivity. And, that Hamas would fail to bring forth the 40 women, elderly and wounded hostages as part of the deal, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Since the group's founding in 1987, Hamas has called for the establishment of an Islamic Palestinian state that would replace the current state of Israel. Hamas has said it believes in the use of violence to bring about the eradication of Israel.
...
Khamenei also put out a statement on X, formerly Twitter, where he celebrated the flying of a Hezbollah's flag in the streets of the U.S. "The people of the world are supporting the Resistance Front because they are resisting & because they are against oppression," the post read.
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tfw far-right governments your left-wing cause... have these people not considered they are being used as pawns by Islamists?

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Postby Pettyland » Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:14 pm

Regardless of the situation, I don't see why people should get suspended or arrested for protesting. Isn't that freedom of speech and assembly?

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Postby Big Eyed Animation » Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:27 pm

Pettyland wrote:Regardless of the situation, I don't see why people should get suspended or arrested for protesting. Isn't that freedom of speech and assembly?


It's not the act of protesting, which is legal but WHERE you choose to protest. It is also about how you protest.

Your not allowed to trample on others people's rights in order to exercise your own. If I paid to go to school, I don't give a fuck about what others do as long as they don't actively try to mess with me or my rights to go to class. I can't learn if the teacher is being shouted down.

You can protest but not in my private property. The same can be said for a school, which is private property.

In regards to free speech, we rightfully draw the line at inciting violence and murder. Not all of the extremist assholes are agent provocateurs. If it rightfully applies to the KKK then it should apply to Palestinians wanting to ethnically cleanse Israel or Jews in general.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68909942
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Postby Juristonia » Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:29 pm

It's a good thing these students aren't Palestinians wanting to ethnically cleanse Israel or Jews in general then.
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Postby Big Eyed Animation » Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:32 pm

Juristonia wrote:It's a good thing these students aren't Palestinians wanting to ethnically cleanse Israel or Jews in general then.


"From the river to the sea", as espoused by Palestinians, especially Hamas, is genocidal and all about ethnic cleansing.

Also, it's not a small number but a lot of people protesting make no effort to hide their views. Like people here also think, since Israel is a colonial state, all Israelis are colonizers and therefore violence against them is self defense and perfectly fine.
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Postby Juristonia » Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:33 pm

No, it is not.
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Ifreann wrote:Indeed, as far as I can recall only one poster has ever supported legalising bestiality, and he was fucking his cat and isn't welcome here any more, in no small part, I imagine, because he kept going on about how he was fucking his cat.

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