RESOLVED: Atheist Airman Allowed To Modify Oath

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

the guy is being a huge baby,just say so help me god,i mean really does this guy NEVER say "oh my god" or "JESUS,sorry you scared me"

Exactly, it's not like saying "So help me God" is going to cause you to burst into flames.

Do you think that theists would prefer to be forced to deny their their god in an oath? No, it's this sort of inequality that gives me headaches

[Dyakovo]

How can someone effectively serve in the military without God's help? They can't, that's how.

Being an atheist never hindered me.

[New Rendanska]

Exactly, it's not like saying "So help me God" is going to cause you to burst into flames.

Do you think that theists would prefer to be forced to deny their their god in an oath? No, it's this sort of inequality that gives me headaches

Its not like Christians get priority and have a government with a Christian bias in the US anyway...Oh wait...

[Nord Amour]

the guy is being a huge baby,just say so help me god,i mean really does this guy NEVER say "oh my god" or "JESUS,sorry you scared me"

Exactly, it's not like saying "So help me God" is going to cause you to burst into flames.

Of course not, that would be silly. But I have the oddest suspicion that if soldiers were sworn in under the name of Lord Satan, or the Tooth Fairy, you might be more concerned.

That's exactly what "So help me God" looks like to me.

[New Rendanska]

Exactly, it's not like saying "So help me God" is going to cause you to burst into flames.

Of course not, that would be silly. But I have the oddest suspicion that if soldiers were sworn in under the name of Lord Satan, or the Tooth Fairy, you might be more concerned.

That's exactly what "So help me God" looks like to me.

Gotta love the hypocrisy in Religion, right?

[WestRedMaple]

Then explain that for us. Why cant people serve without your god's help? Are men that incapable of killing eachother?

You need God's help to be successful in combat and to not be killed. Don't like that? Too bad for you because it's true whether or not you accept it.

Well then it is quite kind of this 'God' to help even nonbelievers

But if one is only succeeding because they are being helped, then that means the other is losing only because 'God' wants them to fail.

If 'God' is really helping believers and non-believers alike, and hindering believers and non-believers alike, then worshipping that 'God' doesn't really seem to be worth much

[Dyakovo]

Would you have a problem saying "Hail Satan" every time when signing something?

yeah,.

So you're a massive hypocrite.

[New Rendanska]

You need God's help to be successful in combat and to not be killed. Don't like that? Too bad for you because it's true whether or not you accept it.

Well then it is quite kind of this 'God' to help even nonbelievers

But if one is only succeeding because they are being helped, then that means the other is losing only because 'God' wants them to fail.

If 'God' is really helping believers and non-believers alike, and hindering believers and non-believers alike, then worshipping that 'God' doesn't really seem to be worth much

God will help us while we're alive, but when we die? Thats it, go play with Satan forever.

[UBS]

Exactly, it's not like saying "So help me God" is going to cause you to burst into flames.

So you'd be fine if the government decided Rastafarianism was in and changed it to "So help me, flying spaghetti monster"?

no here is why,since this guy is an atheist,he believes that no matter what he does he won't have reprocutions when he dies,so it does not matter to him,but if you tell a christian "sware your undying loyality to buddha" he will believe his god will punish him

[New Rendanska]

So you'd be fine if the government decided Rastafarianism was in and changed it to "So help me, flying spaghetti monster"?

no here is why,since this guy is an atheist,he believes that no matter what he does he won't have reprocutions when he dies,so it does not matter to him,but if you tell a christian "sware your undying loyality to buddha" he will believe his god will punish him

But his point is it's only words, so why not swear your loyalty to the spaghetti monster or Cthulu? You wont suddenly combust, right?

[Nord Amour]

You need God's help to be successful in combat and to not be killed. Don't like that? Too bad for you because it's true whether or not you accept it.

Well then it is quite kind of this 'God' to help even nonbelievers

But if one is only succeeding because they are being helped, then that means the other is losing only because 'God' wants them to fail.

If 'God' is really helping believers and non-believers alike, and hindering believers and non-believers alike, then worshipping that 'God' doesn't really seem to be worth much

Precisely. Even if God exists, he isn't the sort of monster that I'd much like to pledge my allegiance to.

[UBS]

Would you have a problem saying "Hail Satan" every time when signing something?

yeah,but thats because he is the god of fire,pain,eternal damnation,suffering,etc.also here they don't specify what god this is,hell for all we know it could be some obscure god from some obscure religion.

that is why dyacovo,or whatever your name is

[Dyakovo]

So you'd be fine if the government decided Rastafarianism was in and changed it to "So help me, flying spaghetti monster"?

no here is why,since this guy is an atheist,he believes that no matter what he does he won't have reprocutions when he dies,so it does not matter to him,but if you tell a christian "sware your undying loyality to buddha" he will believe his god will punish him

"Believing in a deity" is not a requisite of "taking oaths seriously".

[New Rendanska]

Well then it is quite kind of this 'God' to help even nonbelievers

But if one is only succeeding because they are being helped, then that means the other is losing only because 'God' wants them to fail.

If 'God' is really helping believers and non-believers alike, and hindering believers and non-believers alike, then worshipping that 'God' doesn't really seem to be worth much

Precisely. Even if God exists, he isn't the sort of monster that I'd much like to pledge my allegiance to.

God really seems like a testy little pricky anyway
"OH, YOU DIDN'T LOVE ME ENOUGH AND HATE EVERYTHING I HATE AND LOVE EVERYTHING I LOVE NO MATTER WHAT? NOW YOU BURN FOREVER, BITCH!"

[Norstal]

no here is why,since this guy is an atheist,he believes that no matter what he does he won't have reprocutions when he dies,so it does not matter to him,but if you tell a christian "sware your undying loyality to buddha" he will believe his god will punish him

But his point is it's only words, so why not swear your loyalty to the spaghetti monster or Cthulu? You wont suddenly combust, right?

You know you're beating your head against a wall when the person you're replying to doesn't even spell correctly.

[Laerod]

So you'd be fine if the government decided Rastafarianism was in and changed it to "So help me, flying spaghetti monster"?

no here is why,since this guy is an atheist,he believes that no matter what he does he won't have reprocutions when he dies,so it does not matter to him,but if you tell a christian "sware your undying loyality to buddha" he will believe his god will punish him

I thought buddhists don't have gods? Besides, if you get someone to swear in the name of a deity they don't believe in, aren't you just asking them to lie on an oath? What good does that do?

[New Rendanska]

But his point is it's only words, so why not swear your loyalty to the spaghetti monster or Cthulu? You wont suddenly combust, right?

You know you're beating your head against a wall when the person you're replying to doesn't even spell correctly.

I made a mistype? Where'd that happen? Chrome said it was all okay.

[Corrian]

Looks like another example of us not really being "Separation of Church and State" like we repeatedly say we are when we're clearly not on a regular basis. Good to see this resolved.

[Norstal]

You know you're beating your head against a wall when the person you're replying to doesn't even spell correctly.

I made a mistype? Where'd that happen? Chrome said it was all okay.

No. The person you're replying to. The UBS guy.

[Norstal]

Looks like another example of us not really being "Separation of Church and State" like we repeatedly say we are when we're clearly not on a regular basis. Good to see this resolved.

Considering this is resolved, I daresay we do have separation of church and state.

[New Rendanska]

I made a mistype? Where'd that happen? Chrome said it was all okay.

No. The person you're replying to. The UBS guy.

Ohhhhhh. Right, my bad.

[Norstal]

the guy is being a huge baby,just say so help me god,i mean really does this guy NEVER say "oh my god" or "JESUS,sorry you scared me"

Exactly, it's not like saying "So help me God" is going to cause you to burst into flames.

Well you do if you don't believe in the Jewish god.

[New Rendanska]

Looks like another example of us not really being "Separation of Church and State" like we repeatedly say we are when we're clearly not on a regular basis. Good to see this resolved.

Considering this is resolved, I daresay we do have separation of church and state.

I disagree, considering there's like seven US states where atheists/agnostics are not allowed to run for a government position.

[Norstal]

Considering this is resolved, I daresay we do have separation of church and state.

I disagree, considering there's like seven US states where atheists/agnostics are not allowed to run for a government position.

What are these states? That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Unless you're saying that the religious voters won't elect them.

[Laerod]

Exactly, it's not like saying "So help me God" is going to cause you to burst into flames.

Well you do if you don't believe in the Jewish god.

Reminds me of that one Baldur's Gate subquest where you get struck by lightning (INDOORS!) if you swear by Talos' name...