Do women ask to be sexually harrassed/assaulted?

[Scalietti]

You read the question, allow me to elaborate.

It is the thought of many that younger girls who dress scantily and provocatively are inviting harrassment and other unwanted contact upon them. In other words, if the girls didn't dress this way, they wouldn't find themself in that predicament. The same could also be said about their carriage, if them acted decently, modestly, no unwanted contact would be thrust upon them either.

Thoughts NSG? I reckon these theories have merit, but certainly aren't the answer.

[Barringtonia]

Do you want honest debate or a series of angry insults?

[Zephie]

If the men who harass them didn't behave inappropriately, they wouldn't be harassed. What a concept!

[Prometheos]

If the men who harass them didn't behave inappropriately, they wouldn't be harassed. What a concept!

^This, definitely.

[Lackadaisical2]

Yes, the sluts.

[Nobel Hobos]

It is the thought of many that younger girls who dress scantily and provocatively are inviting harrassment and other unwanted contact upon them. In other words, if the girls didn't dress this way, they wouldn't find themself in that predicament. The same could also be said about their carriage, if them acted decently, modestly, no unwanted contact would be thrust upon them either.

Wow, I hope you don't mean unwanted physical contact. That's way out of line whatever she's wearing.

Their carriage? MODESTY? Have you been drinking Laudanum?

[DaWoad]

If the men who harass them didn't behave inappropriately, they wouldn't be harassed. What a concept!

I'm stunned.

I agree with Zephie.

ditto

[Natapoc]

Yes, the sluts.

A black flag today? Have you joined us?

And to the OP... NO! Never! What will it take to drive certain concepts into peoples brains? Seriously, how do people even ask such questions in this day?

[The Tavan Race]

You know, you're right, after all, if a woman wants some unwanted physical contact there's no better way to get it than by showing some skin. Hell, I bet some people even go out and try to get themselves raped for kicks.

No.

[Uusland]

While I don't think any woman is asking to be harassed or assaulted because of her choice of attire, I do think we now live in such a hyper-sexualized society that too many women tend to use their attire as a "lure" for men. But, I think that has a significant amount to do with our media. Young girls are barraged with imagery of how to be thin and how to be beautiful and force fed the idea that their lives can only be fulfilling if they are the object of every man's desire. So many women now dress like prostitutes. I dunno, it just seems to me a pathetic and desperate plea for attention -- like those bleached yellow-haired, orange-skinned girls at the bar who are getting ignored for 5 minutes, so they begin a pseudo-lesbian display by kissing.

Not that men are any better, by any means. This sort of thuggish, stone-faced "bad ass" caricature that every man seems to play nowadays is equally as pathetic and stupid.

People...........meh.

[Lackadaisical2]

Yes, the sluts.

A black flag today? Have you joined us?

I feel that I must note that I was joking, just in case. No I will never join the so-called anarchists. I simply have an extreme hatred which I felt only black could express.

[Ermarian]

While trying to avoid a stream of insults as much as possible:
1.) Blaming the victim of a crime, particularly a violent crime, is pretty disgusting.
2.) Sexual modesty is a repulsive religious concept that has no justified place anywhere outside the decrees of rabid Iranian mullahs, and should be rooted out even there. It certainly has no place in a country as allegedly free of theocratic rule as the United States.

[Prometheos]

You know, you're right, after all, if a woman wants some unwanted physical contact there's no better way to get it than by showing some skin. Hell, I bet some people even go out and try to get themselves raped for kicks.

No.

Yes. You never know

[Natapoc]

Yes, the sluts.

A black flag today? Have you joined us?

I feel that I must note that I was joking, just in case. No I will never join the so-called anarchists. I simply have an extreme hatred which I felt only black could express.

Yes it was clear you were joking. So what is this extreme hatred about?

[Kaledoria]

Even a fat old dirtbag like me does not really argue, that provocatively dressed girls want to be raped/whatever.

I am arguing that they want to make men want to have sex with them and then sent these men away, laughing at them. They want to make the men horribly suffer from a pain coming from the conflict between their primitive desires they evoke and the social necessities to respect another person's autonomy.

Oh yeah and then they act all surprised when some victims of lesser strength of character fail their diabolic tests. [/misogyny-filled sarcasm]

[The Tavan Race]

You know, you're right, after all, if a woman wants some unwanted physical contact there's no better way to get it than by showing some skin. Hell, I bet some people even go out and try to get themselves raped for kicks.

No.

Yes. You never know

I doubt this is the case with the majority of people, as most rape victims aren't very happy about the incident afterward.

[Dagnia]

Depends. Yes, I think certain things we do invite things upon ourselves. A woman who dresses provocatively is asking for any rude "sexually harassing" comments she gets, but I don't think she is deserving of rape, yet at least. However, there are situations when a woman calls it rape, when I think it is debatable, as the woman was egging the whole thing on. If the provocatively dressed woman responds positively to a catcall from a pervert and continues to lead him into an alley while making him think she wants him, then lifts her short skirt (no undergarments) to expose herself to him, then says "no" when he's pulling his pants down, she had better hope that I am not on the jury.
Unless it involves a child, mentally disabled person or some other helpless person, or the defendant was a real bastard in some other way, I would find it really difficult to say a rapist is guilty. About ten/fifteen years ago, there was a rape case at a major university in which a drunk, but not passed out, woman climbed on top of a male student and had sex with him. She later said he raped her, and he was found guilty. I don't remember his sentence, but it did not include jail time. I hope that bitch gets gangraped, and someone brings up her last case. Whenever I hear of a rape case, especially one involving college students, I think of that case. Did you know that at most colleges and universities, through their own disciplinary systems, the accused have no right to confront their accuser? I can just imagine: "I was raped, and it was so traumatic, I could not possibly face my accuser, so you'll just have to believe me" wink wink.

[Katganistan]

You read the question, allow me to elaborate.

It is the thought of many that younger girls who dress scantily and provocatively are inviting harrassment and other unwanted contact upon them. In other words, if the girls didn't dress this way, they wouldn't find themself in that predicament. The same could also be said about their carriage, if them acted decently, modestly, no unwanted contact would be thrust upon them either.

Thoughts NSG? I reckon these theories have merit, but certainly aren't the answer.

Are men children, completely incapable of controlling their behavior? Are they less able than dogs to be trained not to jump on people?

If you are saying that the women's style of dress is causing men to behave like monumental assholes, that says a lot -- and none of it good -- about men.

It is an excuse used by some men to justify disgusting behavior. Happily, there are many more men who act like mature, decent people and can manage to avoid manhandling, raping, or denigrating women for dressing sexily.

[Nobel Hobos]

OP is very close to flamebait, surely?

Scarlietti isn't putting a point of view, but rather inviting debate of an inflammatory point of view which "it is thought of many". If that isn't flamebaiting then it's trolling!

[Katganistan]

Depends. Yes, I think certain things we do invite things upon ourselves. A woman who dresses provocatively is asking for any rude "sexually harassing" comments she gets, but I don't think she is deserving of rape, yet at least. However, there are situations when a woman calls it rape, when I think it is debatable, as the woman was egging the whole thing on. If the provocatively dressed woman responds positively to a catcall from a pervert and continues to lead him into an alley while making him think she wants him, then lifts her short skirt (no undergarments) to expose herself to him, then says "no" when he's pulling his pants down, she had better hope that I am not on the jury.
Unless it involves a child, mentally disabled person or some other helpless person, or the defendant was a real bastard in some other way, I would find it really difficult to say a rapist is guilty. About ten/fifteen years ago, there was a rape case at a major university in which a drunk, but not passed out, woman climbed on top of a male student and had sex with him. She later said he raped her, and he was found guilty. I don't remember his sentence, but it did not include jail time. I hope that bitch gets gangraped, and someone brings up her last case. Whenever I hear of a rape case, especially one involving college students, I think of that case. Did you know that at most colleges and universities, through their own disciplinary systems, the accused have no right to confront their accuser? I can just imagine: "I was raped, and it was so traumatic, I could not possibly face my accuser, so you'll just have to believe me" wink wink.

1) What women, except in some vile misogynist's violent sexual fantasy, does this? I'd say -- none.

2 This statement is mindbogglingly sick, as well as violently misogynistic.

[Natapoc]

Depends. Yes, I think certain things we do invite things upon ourselves. A woman who dresses provocatively is asking for any rude "sexually harassing" comments she gets, but I don't think she is deserving of rape, yet at least. However, there are situations when a woman calls it rape, when I think it is debatable, as the woman was egging the whole thing on. If the provocatively dressed woman responds positively to a catcall from a pervert and continues to lead him into an alley while making him think she wants him, then lifts her short skirt (no undergarments) to expose herself to him, then says "no" when he's pulling his pants down, she had better hope that I am not on the jury.

Nice fantasy you have there. I can see you put allot of effort into your narrative but don't confuse your fantasy with reality.

I believe erotic stories belong in another section of the forum however.

[Zephie]

OP is very close to flamebait, surely?

Scarlietti isn't putting a point of view, but rather inviting debate of an inflammatory point of view which "it is thought of many". If that isn't flamebaiting then it's trolling!

No, because he has an opinion contrary to yours (and mine too) does not mean it's trolling. I wish the internets were more tolerant of other opinions.

[Geniasis]

You read the question, allow me to elaborate.

It is the thought of many that younger girls who dress scantily and provocatively are inviting harrassment and other unwanted contact upon them. In other words, if the girls didn't dress this way, they wouldn't find themself in that predicament. The same could also be said about their carriage, if them acted decently, modestly, no unwanted contact would be thrust upon them either.

Thoughts NSG? I reckon these theories have merit, but certainly aren't the answer.

I wasn't aware that scantily-clad women have the power to physically compel men to harass them. Hasn't happened to me so far.

That doesn't make me gay, does it?

[Juristonia]

If the men who harass them didn't behave inappropriately, they wouldn't be harassed. What a concept!

I'm stunned.

I agree with Zephie.

ditto

This.
I feel dirty.

[Barringtonia]

If the provocatively dressed woman responds positively to a catcall from a pervert and continues to lead him into an alley while making him think she wants him, then lifts her short skirt (no undergarments) to expose herself to him, then says "no" when he's pulling his pants down, she had better hope that I am not on the jury.

As absurd a scenario as this is, she still said 'no'.

The lengths people have to go to create a fantastical situation by which they might excuse rape..

I hope that bitch gets gangraped, and someone brings up her last case.

Charming, if I hoped it was your daughter would I be as offensive?