The Star Wars vs. WH40K Debate

[Maurepas]

The Necrons are already robots, not alive. And so long as there is human thought there shall be Chaos. And then there's the trillions of Tyranids that aren't in the galaxy.

Meaning?

I'm not sure the Necrons nor the Tyranids would be killed by the Halo arrays. Further since every time an Ork dies he releases a massive amount of spores, you're effectively increasing the Ork population by firing it.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Meaning?

I'm not sure the Necrons nor the Tyranids would be killed by the Halo arrays. Further since every time an Ork dies he releases a massive amount of spores, you're effectively increasing the Ork population by firing it.

I'd guess the Halo Array would destroy the spores, too. Either that, or they starve to death when they grow up because all life has been destroyed.

[Yes Im Biop]

I'm not sure the Necrons nor the Tyranids would be killed by the Halo arrays. Further since every time an Ork dies he releases a massive amount of spores, you're effectively increasing the Ork population by firing it.

I'd guess the Halo Array would destroy the spores, too. Either that, or they starve to death when they grow up because all life has been destroyed.

That's what the Halo Array's were designed to do, Starve the flood

[Maurepas]

I'm not sure the Necrons nor the Tyranids would be killed by the Halo arrays. Further since every time an Ork dies he releases a massive amount of spores, you're effectively increasing the Ork population by firing it.

I'd guess the Halo Array would destroy the spores, too. Either that, or they starve to death when they grow up because all life has been destroyed.

But the Orks already have an answer for that, since they produce their own food, their entire ecosystem is based on their own biology and they carry around the ingredients for it in their DNA.

I don't think that it would destroy the spores, as my understanding of it was that it only hit Sentient life, and therefore doesn't attack something that isn't sentient, i.e. Fungal spores.

"Halo doesn't kill Flood. It kills their food. Humans, Covenant, whatever. We're all equally edible. The only way to stop the Flood is to starve them to death. And that's exactly what Halo is designed to do: wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life."
— Cortana


We can reasonably presume from Cortana's description that Ork spores would survive, and based upon the Ork Codex, we know that even in the absence of any kind of nutrition an Ork colony will survive because they eat the mushrooms/algae/etc. fungus that their bodies produce. They even make beer out of it.

And there's a good reason for that, as the Necrons kill all sentient life too, and the Orks were specifically designed as a survivor race specifically for the purpose of surviving something that kills all sentient life.

And that's just the Orks, as stated the Necrons won't die as they're not technically alive, and then the Tyranids are extra-galactic and won't be killed by something that goes off within a given galaxy.

And then you have to deal with the Chaos Space Marines who don't even live in this plane of reality, but within the Warp, who'll not only survive the Halo Array, but fight with the force of Tens of Thousands of Master Chiefs.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I'd guess the Halo Array would destroy the spores, too. Either that, or they starve to death when they grow up because all life has been destroyed.

But the Orks already have an answer for that, since they produce their own food, their entire ecosystem is based on their own biology and they carry around the ingredients for it in their DNA.

I don't think that it would destroy the spores, as my understanding of it was that it only hit Sentient life, and therefore doesn't attack something that isn't sentient, i.e. Fungal spores.

"Halo doesn't kill Flood. It kills their food. Humans, Covenant, whatever. We're all equally edible. The only way to stop the Flood is to starve them to death. And that's exactly what Halo is designed to do: wipe the galaxy clean of all sentient life."
— Cortana


We can reasonably presume from Cortana's description that Ork spores would survive, and based upon the Ork Codex, we know that even in the absence of any kind of nutrition an Ork colony will survive because they eat the mushrooms/algae/etc. fungus that their bodies produce. They even make beer out of it.

And there's a good reason for that, as the Necrons kill all sentient life too, and the Orks were specifically designed as a survivor race specifically for the purpose of surviving something that kills all sentient life.

And that's just the Orks, as stated the Necrons won't die as they're not technically alive, and then the Tyranids are extra-galactic and won't be killed by something that goes off within a given galaxy.

And then you have to deal with the Chaos Space Marines who don't even live in this plane of reality, but within the Warp, who'll not only survive the Halo Array, but fight with the force of Tens of Thousands of Master Chiefs.

I call BS on that last part, but I generally agree. Although it would still wipe out the Orks, it would not kill the Squigs as they are not sentient. So the Squigs go on to spread their spores that end up becoming Gretchin, who cultivate mushrooms for the coming boys, who grow into nobs, one of which becomes strong enough to lead a huge mob, which in turn results in a WAAAGH!

[Neo Art]

True, though the topics actually listed are generally beaten in one thread.

40k based purely on the numbers, unless someone activates a halo ring, in which case, everybody's dead.

Except the necrons and daemons.

in the 40k universe, daemons, like all creatures of chaos, including the chaos gods, are formed through the emotional states of sentient beings. No sentient life in the galaxy, no warp presence, no demons or gods of any kind.

The necrons might survive, but as they are essentially computerized intelligence, they'd likely not create a warp presence at all (necrons can't be detected psychically) and would not leave impressions. The star gods on the other hand would be dead, and the necrons leaderless, and stuck in hybernation forever.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Except the necrons and daemons.

in the 40k universe, daemons, like all creatures of chaos, including the chaos gods, are formed through the emotional states of sentient beings. No sentient life in the galaxy, no warp presence, no demons or gods of any kind.

The necrons might survive, but as they are essentially computerized intelligence, they'd likely not create a warp presence at all (necrons can't be detected psychically) and would not leave impressions. The star gods on the other hand would be dead, and the necrons leaderless, and stuck in hybernation forever.

So if the halo array is activated, then the two sides of Halo and 40k would be stuck in a deadlock?

[Neo Art]

in the 40k universe, daemons, like all creatures of chaos, including the chaos gods, are formed through the emotional states of sentient beings. No sentient life in the galaxy, no warp presence, no demons or gods of any kind.

The necrons might survive, but as they are essentially computerized intelligence, they'd likely not create a warp presence at all (necrons can't be detected psychically) and would not leave impressions. The star gods on the other hand would be dead, and the necrons leaderless, and stuck in hybernation forever.

So if the halo array is activated, then the two sides of Halo and 40k would be stuck in a deadlock?

If the halo array is activated, there wouldn't be much LEFT of either side to be stuck anywhere. Although halo suggests that the rings destroy "sentient" life, it's probably more clear to say that it targets complex multcellular life. Unless the rings are inherently psychic in nature, only targetting sentient lifeforms, I always interpreted as a FTL pulse that traveled through the galaxy destroying organic bonds.

As such, necrons MAY survive, but the star gods designed the necrons to not function without their orders. They'd be shut down waiting for the star gods orders.

The only way to resolve those questions is to figure out whether:

1) the star gods would be affected
2) the necrons would be affected
3) the orc spores would be affected
4) the chaos forces in the eye were sufficiently insulated from the "real" universe to avoid the halo rings' power

and the answer to THOSE questions is basically complete fan wankery.

[CTALNH]

I ask nay Demand A Krogan Airdrop NOW!

[The Empire of Pretantia]

So if the halo array is activated, then the two sides of Halo and 40k would be stuck in a deadlock?

If the halo array is activated, there wouldn't be much LEFT of either side to be stuck anywhere. Although halo suggests that the rings destroy "sentient" life, it's probably more clear to say that it targets complex multcellular life. Unless the rings are inherently psychic in nature, only targetting sentient lifeforms, I always interpreted as a FTL pulse that traveled through the galaxy destroying organic bonds.

As such, necrons MAY survive, but the star gods designed the necrons to not function without their orders. They'd be shut down waiting for the star gods orders.

The only way to resolve those questions is to figure out whether:

1) the star gods would be affected
2) the necrons would be affected
3) the orc spores would be affected
4) the chaos forces in the eye were sufficiently insulated from the "real" universe to avoid the halo rings' power

and the answer to THOSE questions is basically complete fan wankery.

The star gods are not the Necron leaders. And clearly it would not affect all life, as it was made to attack the food of the Flood, who are unaffected directly. So it is safe to assume that it is a selective weapon that only attacks sentient life.

[The Zeonic States]

Bit of a silly debate really; the UNSC are underpowered compared to the other two. Not particularly fair. (It's a shame really, because its a cool universe.)

Yeah, They are. But the Spartan 4 Legion may make up for it

Not really


Give me Forty Mandoloarians and will give you a hundred and twenty dead spartan fours

[Genivaria]

I ask nay Demand A Krogan Airdrop NOW!

Krogans in UNSC Helljumper pod's.

[Yes Im Biop]

I ask nay Demand A Krogan Airdrop NOW!

Krogans in UNSC Helljumper pod's.

... ...Would they fit?

[Genivaria]

Yeah, They are. But the Spartan 4 Legion may make up for it

Not really


Give me Forty Mandoloarians and will give you a hundred and twenty dead spartan fours

I'm sorry I wasn't aware the Mandalorians had superhuman reflexes and reaction time.

[The Zeonic States]

I ask nay Demand A Krogan Airdrop NOW!

Krogans in UNSC Helljumper pod's.

o.o You know what would be a battle of the ages?

Urdnot Wrex Vs Walon Vau

I was thinking doing one of the Fetts or then one of the Mandolores but i figured Vau would be a fair fight.

Older human and such, Still protected by some of the best armor in starwars period though, Well armed and such.

Krogan vs Mando'Ade

I am betting on the Mandolorian though

[Yes Im Biop]

Yeah, They are. But the Spartan 4 Legion may make up for it

Not really


Give me Forty Mandoloarians and will give you a hundred and twenty dead spartan fours

Give me Red and Blue Team and I will give you the Universe

[The Zeonic States]

Not really


Give me Forty Mandoloarians and will give you a hundred and twenty dead spartan fours

I'm sorry I wasn't aware the Mandalorians had superhuman reflexes and reaction time.

Their armor and weaponry freind.

Projectile based weaponry is useless against mandolorian iron and in hand to hand? Well They can dance around even trained folks easy enough in most Genre's and some can give a wookie a run in a arm wrestling contest.

But basically? their much better weaponry and armor would win that fight for them, combining it with a life times worth of expreince and battle?

They are basically a better version of the spartans with out the bone crippling sterioid usage.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Not really


Give me Forty Mandoloarians and will give you a hundred and twenty dead spartan fours

Give me Red and Blue Team and I will give you the Universe

Give me liberty or give me death!
Go reds!

[The Zeonic States]

Not really


Give me Forty Mandoloarians and will give you a hundred and twenty dead spartan fours

Give me Red and Blue Team and I will give you the Universe

o.o Met the guy who voiced sarge once at dragon con

People said i acted like his character but i didn't see it

[Laeriland]

I'm sorry I wasn't aware the Mandalorians had superhuman reflexes and reaction time.

Their armor and weaponry freind.

Projectile based weaponry is useless against mandolorian iron and in hand to hand? Well They can dance around even trained folks easy enough in most Genre's and some can give a wookie a run in a arm wrestling contest.

But basically? their much better weaponry and armor would win that fight for them, combining it with a life times worth of expreince and battle?

They are basically a better version of the spartans with out the bone crippling sterioid usage.

Perhaps, but I somehow doubt they can give a wookiee a run for his money in a arm wrestling contest (translation: you forgot the second e, silly)

[CTALNH]

Krogans in UNSC Helljumper pod's.

o.o You know what would be a battle of the ages?

Urdnot Wrex Vs Walon Vau

I was thinking doing one of the Fetts or then one of the Mandolores but i figured Vau would be a fair fight.

Older human and such, Still protected by some of the best armor in starwars period though, Well armed and such.

Krogan vs Mando'Ade

I am betting on the Mandolorian though

If he is fighting Wrex then I got bad news for you....

[North Calaveras]

I'm tired of "experience"

You can only have so much experience before it becomes useless, a thousand years of fighting one enemy is really no better than one hundred years.

[Genivaria]

Give me Red and Blue Team and I will give you the Universe

o.o Met the guy who voiced sarge once at dragon con

People said i acted like his character but i didn't see it

I'VE GOT A BONER FOR MURDER!

[The Zeonic States]

o.o You know what would be a battle of the ages?

Urdnot Wrex Vs Walon Vau

I was thinking doing one of the Fetts or then one of the Mandolores but i figured Vau would be a fair fight.

Older human and such, Still protected by some of the best armor in starwars period though, Well armed and such.

Krogan vs Mando'Ade

I am betting on the Mandolorian though

If he is fighting Wrex then I got bad news for you....

Oh my bad i should have given more of a expansion of his skills

For one? Well he is a notable sharp shooter at long to medium ranges.

Two? Well he has a catche of fancy and exotic death dealing devices most of which are fairly expensive.

Three? He is a bit of a sadist so the image of him blowing Wrex apart slowly with precise Sniper fire sort of entered my mind, If Wrex didn't get him in close quarters and let him get into a vantage point?

That's check mate.

[Genivaria]

If he is fighting Wrex then I got bad news for you....

Oh my bad i should have given more of a expansion of his skills

For one? Well he is a notable sharp shooter at long to medium ranges.

Two? Well he has a catche of fancy and exotic death dealing devices most of which are fairly expensive.

Three? He is a bit of a sadist so the image of him blowing Wrex apart slowly with precise Sniper fire sort of entered my mind, If Wrex didn't get him in close quarters and let him get into a vantage point?

That's check mate.

Two words. Biotic Charge.