Metal Genre Music Discussion

[Oterro]

Thats very fair, I kind of felt you meant the church jibe in humour. I can't say I'm a fan of those things either, expecially how Varg shot himself in the foot by burning a church that was perhaps, one of the best examples of his old norse style architexture (even if it was a christian church).

It was a beautiful building and while I can sympathise with a feeling that one's ancestry is ''vanishing'' (as irrational as I feel it to be), arson is not a solution. I dunno how interested you are in BM and I may be being presumptious, but have you seen Until The Light Takes Us? really good documentary on the second wave, lots of interviews with dudes both cool (Fenris) and uncool (the Ulver guys, much as I like their music). It centres too much on Varg imo but I guess I can see why, he's the most eminent figure of the scene. It made me sad too. I don't know why. They all sounded so disillusioned and sad - I don't think anyone smiled for more than 5 seconds during the whole thing. But yeah I'm babbling.

I don't know, I can think of a few reasons, but any to do with the personal conduct of early and modern black metal I think is totally wrong to hold against the genre.

Yeah, while FW had the aesthetic they were definitely less...active, in their musical themes. Quorthorn was a great guy.
I am not really a fan of Snowblind but clearly we like Black Sabbath for different reasons. I'm kind of on the fence but I am leaning to agreeing that that is a better cover.

I think paranoid is my favourite album from pre-Dio. As far as Black Sabbath albums go theres none with songs I like in entirety, I usually like a few off the album and could leave the rest.

I'd agree, actually, I'm not a huge Sabbath fan but they do have a few solid tracks.

Thats a good compromise if I was a better person I might accept it, but it still feels wrong to try and associate it with metal. It hurts.

tell me about it bro

I just ignore it except when it's brought up here and then I go ''it's shit dwi nerds'' or something. Unless it's like thrash as I think I've well established what I think of it.

(I'm assuming Swagenreich is a play on Schwabenreich)?

Yes, it's a compliment too.

But I would definately say theres a huge overlap between NWOBHM and Traditional Heavy Metal. I'd mainly divide heavy metal into NWOBHM by 1# time period, 2# emulating british trends in heavy metal and 3# being british, and do not consider the terms mutually exclusive. I ofcourse, agree that using traditional heavy metal as a collective term for heavy metal of that style and period is fine. I would like to keep the heavy word in it however, as to honour and preserve its relation to the heavy metal movement. The term I believe has gained a meaning of its own, and means something to me and I want to preserve that.

Well as I've said when I specify heavy metal I'm usually referring to the bands you mean. I'm pretty fine with metal being used as a descriptor of everything metal, I think it sounds better aesthetically anyway.

If your band is good the lyrics shouldn't matter too much.

too true!

I don't really see how thats possible. Its got so many elitists in it, myself included, and is such a diverse genre, but good luck in achieving the impossible.

Yep this correct too.

I am glad we can come to some agreement.

[Cosumar]

I always thought "In The Nightside Eclipse" was vastly overrated. Everyone lists it as a black metal essential and I never understood why, but now I am really getting into it. It's actually a great album, it just takes multiple listens for it to click I think.

[Oterro]

I always thought "In The Nightside Eclipse" was vastly overrated. Everyone lists it as a black metal essential and I never understood why, but now I am really getting into it. It's actually a great album, it just takes multiple listens for it to click I think.

I'll listen to it again tonight.

I've heard it once and wasn't greatly impressed, never knew it had much acclaim.

[Schwabenreich]

It was a beautiful building and while I can sympathise with a feeling that one's ancestry is ''vanishing'' (as irrational as I feel it to be), arson is not a solution.

Totally. I'm downright immersed in old germanic culture. I dislike cutting my hair, keep track of old norse pagan holidays (though I don't believe in norse paganism nor celebrate it) and generally slip in references to the mythology daily in converse (a habbit that must make me insufferable to everyone around me). I'm an agnostic atheist but I still love respecting what my ancestors would have worshipped (coming from predominately nordic/anglish ancestry).

I dunno how interested you are in BM and I may be being presumptious, but have you seen Until The Light Takes Us?

I havn't seen it however, I have read it and seen some interviews from it (they're all over youtube). I find it very interesting even if I wouldn't associate myself as a fan of a genre. That the early black metal bands took this stuff so seriously, I think I admire. Not many people live their genre like they did. Though I'm not saying all the first wave behaved in the same way. Just that they seemed to take it, and themselves really, really seriously.

really good documentary on the second wave, lots of interviews with dudes both cool (Fenris) and uncool (the Ulver guys, much as I like their music). It centres too much on Varg imo but I guess I can see why, he's the most eminent figure of the scene. It made me sad too. I don't know why. They all sounded so disillusioned and sad - I don't think anyone smiled for more than 5 seconds during the whole thing. But yeah I'm babbling.

Sounds rather depressing. I can't help but wonder how black metal would have progressed if that Varg/Euronymous event never came up.

]I'd agree, actually, I'm not a huge Sabbath fan but they do have a few solid tracks.

I agree, though we seem to be inclined towards different tracks. I actually preferred Ozzy's solo career to his work in Black Sabbath. Which, I imagine is an even further movement from what you value within Black Sabbath?

I just ignore it except when it's brought up here and then I go ''it's shit dwi nerds'' or something. Unless it's like thrash as I think I've well established what I think of it.

I must have missed that, I assume your tolerance of thrash is more benevolent then say, Industrial or Nu Metal?

Yes, it's a compliment too.

Yeah, when I first saw it, being an Australian, I thought of swag as in steal, as in swagmen and what not. A friend quickly informed that it held more in common with swagger and was used to be like 'cool' and 'respect' and I felt rather fluffy inside.

Well as I've said when I specify heavy metal I'm usually referring to the bands you mean. I'm pretty fine with metal being used as a descriptor of everything metal, I think it sounds better aesthetically anyway.

I'm more inclined to think the same way, however I do try to exclude certain genres from the blanket term metal, but I think thats nitpicking on my part. I still maintain a large list of things in the blanket metal term, and not all of it I listen to but tolerate its association if I believe it close enough or related enough to not be excluded.

too true!

All my favourite bands I certainly don't listen to for their lyrics =D

Yep this correct too.

=D

I am glad we can come to some agreement.

I try to balance my belligerence with some degree of agreeability.

[Jakaragua]

Until the Light takes Us is mostly just about the sensationalist side of Black Metal, which I'm sure any BM fan is bored of by now. It really doesn't do a good job of documenting the actual music either so it's just kinda boring to fans and confusing to newcomers.

[Oterro]

I agree, though we seem to be inclined towards different tracks. I actually preferred Ozzy's solo career to his work in Black Sabbath. Which, I imagine is an even further movement from what you value within Black Sabbath?

Yeah, not fond of Ozzy's solo career - I think his first two albums were alright but he sort of went downhill from there. No More Tears is a great track, even if I'm not (generally) fond of keyboards and metal.

I must have missed that, I assume your tolerance of thrash is more benevolent then say, Industrial or Nu Metal?

Yes, but that's not saying much really :v

I guess Slayer are okay, but they're really the only thrash band I can tolerate and even then they're not fantastic or anything.

I'm more inclined to think the same way, however I do try to exclude certain genres from the blanket term metal, but I think thats nitpicking on my part. I still maintain a large list of things in the blanket metal term, and not all of it I listen to but tolerate its association if I believe it close enough or related enough to not be excluded.

It's understandable to distinguish them if they're a mixture of the two, I mean you wouldn't call a mushroom and onion soup just mushroom. That sounds like a terrible soup though.

All my favourite bands I certainly don't listen to for their lyrics =D

[/quote] One of my favourite albums, Remission by Mastodon, sounds like the vocals have been done by dinosaurs. I can occasionally make out the odd word but having checked the lyrics now I know I'm really not missing much...

Sounds rather depressing. I can't help but wonder how black metal would have progressed if that Varg/Euronymous event never came up.

It's strange to ponder. Obviously people didn't immediately hide their guitars, wash their faces and turn their crosses the right way up when it happened, but I'm thinking the mainstream exposure generated by all that controversy sparked a few make up and hair dying kits to be bought.

Really though I'm not at all opposed to the way black metal has developed. I know a lot of complaints are made about ''commercialising'' and ''packaging'' it but you can't play tremolo riffs, blast beats and screech forever, it gets old.

[Oterro]

Can we talk about Converge? That's metalcore, right?

I am going to talk about Converge.

I heard that one album about losan ur gf ;~;

It was actually pretty good but I don't know why it's so lauded, it was essentially just good, angry, abrasive metal, i never felt sad or heartbroken listening to it.

If that's metalcore I don't see what's so bad about it.

[Former Wellboneland]

Can we talk about Converge? That's metalcore, right?

I am going to talk about Converge.

I heard that one album about losan ur gf ;~;

It was actually pretty good but I don't know why it's so lauded, it was essentially just good, angry, abrasive metal, i never felt sad or heartbroken listening to it.

Ew Converge.

[Cosumar]

Can we talk about Converge? That's metalcore, right?

I am going to talk about Converge.

I heard that one album about losan ur gf ;~;

It was actually pretty good but I don't know why it's so lauded, it was essentially just good, angry, abrasive metal, i never felt sad or heartbroken listening to it.

Ew Converge.

What's your problem with Converge? They're one of the best metalcore bands.

[Former Wellboneland]

Ew Converge.

What's your problem with Converge? They're one of the best metalcore bands.

Don't like Metalcore.
I am not fond of much in the way of core.

[Oterro]

Ew Converge.

2punk4u.

[Blakk Metal]

Ew Converge.

2punk4u.

juzt l1k M3t4ll1kA lol

[Cosumar]

What's your problem with Converge? They're one of the best metalcore bands.

Don't like Metalcore.
I am not fond of much in the way of core.

Most metalcore is shitty nowadays, but Converge is great. And there are others. You can't judge a book by its genre.
Do you like hardcore punk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmcaiZM_vU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS9B9lLmULE

[Former Wellboneland]

Don't like Metalcore.
I am not fond of much in the way of core.

Most metalcore is shitty nowadays, but Converge is great. And there are others. You can't judge a book by its genre.
Do you like hardcore punk?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmcaiZM_vU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS9B9lLmULE

No thanks.

[Cosumar]

Who doesn't like Black Flag?

[The REAL Glasers]

Terrible, terrible people.

And probably half of the people that were in the band.

[Vloomar]

Terrible, terrible people.

And probably half of the people that were in the band.

What do you mean?

[Oterro]

Who doesn't like Black Flag?

I like The Process of Weeding Out, if that counts.

[The REAL Glasers]

Terrible, terrible people.

And probably half of the people that were in the band.

What do you mean?

Greg Ginn is one of the most gigantic douchebags in the history of Punk.

[Former Wellboneland]

Darkthrone flag!

[Oterro]

Darkthrone flag!

I like it.

The new Om track is really really cool.

[Former Wellboneland]

Darkthrone flag!

I like it.

The new Om track is really really cool.

Link?

[Vloomar]

Darkthrone flag!

It's almost as cool as my flag.

Darkthrone is one of my favorite black metal bands.

[Former Wellboneland]

Darkthrone flag!

It's almost as cool as my flag.

Darkthrone is one of my favorite black metal bands.

Darkthrone is no. 1 on my Black Metal list.

As in

1. Darkthrone
2. Mayhem
3. Sigh
4. Gorgoroth
5. Burzum

[Oterro]

Link?

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/137 ... on-return/


1) Sigh
2) Ulver
3) Gorgoroth
4) Burzum
5) Darkthrone

I didn't mention any ''post black metal'' bands for the sake of politeness :x