by Gruenberg » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:12 am
by The Forsworn Knights » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:27 am
by Separatist Peoples » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:43 am
The Forsworn Knights wrote:I dont really see the point. If you draft a proposal, then people generally talk in both IC and OOC terms as needed.
by Gruenberg » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:02 am
by The Forsworn Knights » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:02 am
Separatist Peoples wrote:The Forsworn Knights wrote:I dont really see the point. If you draft a proposal, then people generally talk in both IC and OOC terms as needed.
We're a roleplay forum, and while a degree of OOC is necessary, too much interferes with the roleplay. Its a common practice in II and NationStates, so I don't see why we couldn't or shouldn't, as the thread creator requires. Its not like the GA is so active as to see threads pushed lost to obscurity by doubling the thread count.
by Gruenberg » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:07 am
The Forsworn Knights wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:We're a roleplay forum, and while a degree of OOC is necessary, too much interferes with the roleplay. Its a common practice in II and NationStates, so I don't see why we couldn't or shouldn't, as the thread creator requires. Its not like the GA is so active as to see threads pushed lost to obscurity by doubling the thread count.
Proposals are like IC discussion threads. There needs to be a clear and easy-to-read list of posts that anyone reading a drafting thread can view in proper order, in both IC and OOC terms.
The Forsworn Knights wrote:Because in the end, both impact each other very much,
The Forsworn Knights wrote:and both can, are, and have been done in the same post on a very regular basis.
The Forsworn Knights wrote:Besides, it will only double the server's load and increase lag over a problem that is pretty much nonexistent.
by The Blaatschapen » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:10 am
The Forsworn Knights wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:We're a roleplay forum, and while a degree of OOC is necessary, too much interferes with the roleplay. Its a common practice in II and NationStates, so I don't see why we couldn't or shouldn't, as the thread creator requires. Its not like the GA is so active as to see threads pushed lost to obscurity by doubling the thread count.
Proposals are like IC discussion threads. There needs to be a clear and easy-to-read list of posts that anyone reading a drafting thread can view in proper order, in both IC and OOC terms. Because in the end, both impact each other very much, and both can, are, and have been done in the same post on a very regular basis.
Besides, it will only double the server's load and increase lag over a problem that is pretty much nonexistent.
Gruenberg wrote:SP, from your position as a Council member, what did you think of the part of my suggestion about just having all [Legality Challenges] take place within those OOC threads? Would that be too confusing to keep track of?
by Gruenberg » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:13 am
The Blaatschapen wrote:1 discussion at a time. First the OOC/IC split discussion (for the whole WA ), and then the council with the rest of the GA-community can battle if the legality challenge process needs to be changed.
by The Blaatschapen » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:14 am
by The Blaatschapen » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:17 am
Gruenberg wrote:You could probably have got me to make the edit by just asking rather than being snide, but OK.
by Separatist Peoples » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:37 am
Gruenberg wrote:SP, from your position as a Council member, what did you think of the part of my suggestion about just having all [Legality Challenges] take place within those OOC threads? Would that be too confusing to keep track of?
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:43 am
by Gruenberg » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:51 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:The solution rather, is for us to stop pulling every goddamn resolution into a mess of legality challenges.
by Imperium Anglorum » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:55 am
Gruenberg wrote:Now we have the Council, who have rejected consideration of several legality challenges because they don't want to tackle difficult questions, something that means those difficult questions are only going to linger on for longer.
by Gruenberg » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:51 am
by Glen-Rhodes » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:02 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Gruenberg wrote:SP, from your position as a Council member, what did you think of the part of my suggestion about just having all [Legality Challenges] take place within those OOC threads? Would that be too confusing to keep track of?
That would make it way easier. Easy legality issues, like certain kinds of duplication or contradiction, can be dispensed with ICly, and we're savvy enough to pick that without an OOC thread, but for the more complicated issues, like the question of noncompliance or mentioning the SC, having a separate OOC thread would, in my opinion, make finding and addressing the relevant points easier.
Making this an option would be really delightful, especially for proposals we all know will involve a lot of OOC legality debate.
by Gruenberg » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:08 pm
by Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:38 pm
Gruenberg wrote:[Legality Challenge] could always be edited into the title of an OOC thread when one is formally registered.
As for enforcement, same as all the other forums.
by Christian Democrats » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:05 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:I think that having multiple threads would cause clutter, make it hard to follow the lines of argumentation between multiple different threads, and be harder to use.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
by The Blaatschapen » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:00 am
Gruenberg wrote:[Legality Challenge] could always be edited into the title of an OOC thread when one is formally registered.
As for enforcement, same as all the other forums.
by Gruenberg » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:06 am
by The Blaatschapen » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:07 am
Gruenberg wrote:I don't see the fuss. It takes you...5 seconds to edit a thread title using mod tools? The Council has been live for a couple of months, and in that time 11 legality challenges have been launched, so let's say one every 4 days (generously...I expect that to slow down). That's the same as the At Vote thread every 4 days: it's changed from [DRAFT] to [AT VOTE] to [PASSED]/[DEFEATED], sometimes by the OP, sometimes by the mods.
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