New Forum Moderators

[Alvecia]

Congratulations and condolences.

[Benevolent Thomas]

Congrats Wrapper! I think you will have to swap out the Dead Parrot for the Colonel now

[Wrapper]

Congrats Wrapper! I think you will have to swap out the Dead Parrot for the Colonel now

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I'm not a moderator, I'm not a moderator! They dressed me up like this!

[The Saint James Islands]

*submits an offering of chocolate chip cookies to our new mod overlords*

Congratulations and condolences to Kyru and Wrapper. I can’t say much about Wrapper, but I’m fully confident that Kyrusia will use the big shiny red buttons with the utmost of judgement. (I haven’t a clue what the buttons look like, so I’m just going to assume they’re red and shiny. )

[North Arkana]

Congrats Wrapper! I think you will have to swap out the Dead Parrot for the Colonel now

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I'm not a moderator, I'm not a moderator! They dressed me up like this!

And now, something completely different (yet still topically sound).

[Auralia]

Two years is actually a long time to spend on an online game, even if the site has been around for over a decade. It's enough to judge someone's suitability as well as it's possible to do. Suitability to be a moderator is based on a whole load of factors, including activity, personality, knowledge of the rules, humour and many other things.

I'm sorry, but I'm really not seeing how Wrapper is more qualified to be a GA mod than many of the other regulars (or even former regulars) in the GA.

Take Sciongrad, Separatist Peoples, Glen-Rhodes, and Christian Democrats, for instance. They're just a few names from off the top of my head, and they all strike me as better candidates than Wrapper for the job. They're all intelligent, articulate participants in the GA with multiple resolutions under their belts, a solid grasp of the rules, and a strong history of providing drafting assistance to others. Most importantly, they all have substantially more experience than Wrapper in the GA. Why weren't any of them considered, or if so, why were they rejected?

[Paffnia]

Congrats both!

[The Archregimancy]

Why weren't any of them considered, or if so, why were they rejected?

We had a long and detailed discussion of the issue encompassing some five pages of forum discussion - so over 100 posts.

However, I don't think anyone would realistically expect us to offer an exhaustive list of who was considered, and why they were rejected.

If nothing else, we don't want all of you to find out that we appoint mods on the basis of communing with the spirits of the Sumerian dead via an ancient Mesopotamian form of Ouija board known as a Ki-mig-lag-shu. It was Gilgamesh who suggested Wrapper (with some strong support from Enkidu), and the others you mention were rejected on the advice of Dumuzid the Shepherd, Fifth predynastic king of Sumer, brother of Ngeshtin-ana, and husband of Inanna.



I just said too much, didn't I.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Congrats Wrapper! I think you will have to swap out the Dead Parrot for the Colonel now

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I'm not a moderator, I'm not a moderator! They dressed me up like this!

He's not a Moderator, he's just a very naughty boy.

Congratulations to both.

[Pierconium]

Welcome Wrapper and Kyrusia!

Mine was the cherry cheese danish and the venti chai latte soy.

Random, no transparency and no democratic process.

but that's what to expect from an oligarchy.

Not at all random, and no, not democratic, and no, not transparent.

Tell you what: you pick the mods on your site whatever way you want to. Names out of a hat. Your buddy who you've known since last week. Train a chicken to peck a list of people at random.

This is the best post I have read here in a while. It made me smile.

Congratulations (or condolences?) to the appointees.

[Minoa]

Hola Kyrusia and Wrapper!

[Bears Armed]

My entire life has been a lie.

The cake is a lie.
Your entire life has been a cake?

^_^

Congratulations to you, and to Wrapper, anyhows.

[Applebania]

Congrats to the new mods!

[Alyakia]

Two years is actually a long time to spend on an online game, even if the site has been around for over a decade. It's enough to judge someone's suitability as well as it's possible to do. Suitability to be a moderator is based on a whole load of factors, including activity, personality, knowledge of the rules, humour and many other things.

I'm sorry, but I'm really not seeing how Wrapper is more qualified to be a GA mod than many of the other regulars (or even former regulars) in the GA.

Take Sciongrad, Separatist Peoples, Glen-Rhodes, and Christian Democrats, for instance. They're just a few names from off the top of my head, and they all strike me as better candidates than Wrapper for the job. They're all intelligent, articulate participants in the GA with multiple resolutions under their belts, a solid grasp of the rules, and a strong history of providing drafting assistance to others. Most importantly, they all have substantially more experience than Wrapper in the GA. Why weren't any of them considered, or if so, why were they rejected?

i think i have a solution to this problem

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[Mousebumples]

To add on to Arch's point above, Mallorea and Riva had specifically requested that GA Mod Nominations be sent in. If you feel strongly about who should be considered for a moderator position in the future, you are invited to submit nominations.

We are open to possibly adding additional moderators in the relatively near future - be it of a GA or other forum focus. If you have other players that you'd like us to consider, send in a nomination.

[ChingisOtchigin]

Congrats Wrapper! And the other guy too... Kyrusia is it? Yas! It is! Congrats to you too

[Katganistan]

Why weren't any of them considered, or if so, why were they rejected?

We had a long and detailed discussion of the issue encompassing some five pages of forum discussion - so over 100 posts.

However, I don't think anyone would realistically expect us to offer an exhaustive list of who was considered, and why they were rejected.

If nothing else, we don't want all of you to find out that we appoint mods on the basis of communing with the spirits of the Sumerian dead via an ancient Mesopotamian form of Ouija board known as a Ki-mig-lag-shu. It was Gilgamesh who suggested Wrapper (with some strong support from Enkidu), and the others you mention were rejected on the advice of Dumuzid the Shepherd, Fifth predynastic king of Sumer, brother of Ngeshtin-ana, and husband of Inanna.



I just said too much, didn't I.

Dammit, Arch! at least wait until the entrails are cold.

[Almonaster Nuevo]

Mmmm! Cold entrails..


Congratulations to you both.

[Kyrusia]

Thanks, again, to all of you. I appreciate it.

[Auralia]

We had a long and detailed discussion of the issue encompassing some five pages of forum discussion - so over 100 posts.

However, I don't think anyone would realistically expect us to offer an exhaustive list of who was considered, and why they were rejected.

I'm not asking for the release of the discussion, which undoubtedly dealt with some sensitive topics. This isn't a Freedom of Information Act request. I'm simply trying to understand the thought process that resulted in Wrapper becoming a GA mod, when it seems obvious to me that there are better qualified candidates.

If nothing else, we don't want all of you to find out that we appoint mods on the basis of communing with the spirits of the Sumerian dead via an ancient Mesopotamian form of Ouija board known as a Ki-mig-lag-shu. It was Gilgamesh who suggested Wrapper (with some strong support from Enkidu), and the others you mention were rejected on the advice of Dumuzid the Shepherd, Fifth predynastic king of Sumer, brother of Ngeshtin-ana, and husband of Inanna.

That's really not funny. I hope you realize that I'm not just critiquing your decision for fun. I have what I believe to be legitimate concerns that I am putting forward in good faith, and I resent you mocking them.

To add on to Arch's point above, Mallorea and Riva had specifically requested that GA Mod Nominations be sent in. If you feel strongly about who should be considered for a moderator position in the future, you are invited to submit nominations.

While I think it's great that you guys accept user input on new mods, I still expect the GA mods to appoint qualified candidates even in the absence of such input.

[Miarie]

Kyrusia

My condolences to all of the unfairly banned nations and locked threads.

[Fartsniffage]

We had a long and detailed discussion of the issue encompassing some five pages of forum discussion - so over 100 posts.

However, I don't think anyone would realistically expect us to offer an exhaustive list of who was considered, and why they were rejected.

I'm not asking for the release of the discussion, which undoubtedly dealt with some sensitive topics. This isn't a Freedom of Information Act request. I'm simply trying to understand the thought process that resulted in Wrapper becoming a GA mod, when it seems obvious to me that there are better qualified candidates.

If nothing else, we don't want all of you to find out that we appoint mods on the basis of communing with the spirits of the Sumerian dead via an ancient Mesopotamian form of Ouija board known as a Ki-mig-lag-shu. It was Gilgamesh who suggested Wrapper (with some strong support from Enkidu), and the others you mention were rejected on the advice of Dumuzid the Shepherd, Fifth predynastic king of Sumer, brother of Ngeshtin-ana, and husband of Inanna.

That's really not funny. I hope you realize that I'm not just critiquing your decision for fun. I have what I believe to be legitimate concerns that I am putting forward in good faith, and I resent you mocking them.

To add on to Arch's point above, Mallorea and Riva had specifically requested that GA Mod Nominations be sent in. If you feel strongly about who should be considered for a moderator position in the future, you are invited to submit nominations.

While I think it's great that you guys accept user input on new mods, I still expect the GA mods to appoint qualified candidates even in the absence of such input.

Maybe give them a chance before you decide that they're going to be awful?

[North Arkana]

Kyrusia

My condolences to all of the unfairly banned nations and locked threads.

Not sure if this is joking, or just posting in bad faith because you don't like moderation.

[Christian Democrats]

I'm not asking for the release of the discussion, which undoubtedly dealt with some sensitive topics. This isn't a Freedom of Information Act request. I'm simply trying to understand the thought process that resulted in Wrapper becoming a GA mod, when it seems obvious to me that there are better qualified candidates.


That's really not funny. I hope you realize that I'm not just critiquing your decision for fun. I have what I believe to be legitimate concerns that I am putting forward in good faith, and I resent you mocking them.


While I think it's great that you guys accept user input on new mods, I still expect the GA mods to appoint qualified candidates even in the absence of such input.

Maybe give them a chance before you decide that they're going to be awful?

I don't think Auralia's criticism is based on any animus toward Wrapper or any lack of confidence in his abilities. It's based on the fact that few, if any, GA regulars would place Wrapper in their top 10 lists for most experienced and most involved GA members. Most regulars have been in the forum for much longer than two years; and quite a few more have written proposals of far greater substance than World University for Peace (failed), Child Pornography Ban (passed), Repeal "On Genetically Modified Foods" (failed), and Repeal "Nuclear Material Safeguards" (failed). Moreover, this is not the first GA appointment that has seemed highly unusual to the GA's regulars.

GA regulars have previously described the GA mods' style as "cold, standoffish and impenetrable," "uninformed," "vicious," and suffering from "delusion." For many players, this appointment will only deepen their disillusionment with this stagnant part of the game.

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[Elke and Elba]

Maybe give them a chance before you decide that they're going to be awful?

I don't think Auralia's criticism is based on any animus toward Wrapper or any lack of confidence in his abilities. It's based on the fact that few, if any, GA regulars would place Wrapper in their top 10 lists for most experienced and most involved GA members. Most regulars have been in the forum for much longer than two years; and quite a few more have written proposals of far greater substance than World University for Peace (failed), Child Pornography Ban (passed), Repeal "On Genetically Modified Foods" (failed), and Repeal "Nuclear Material Safeguards" (failed). Moreover, this is not the first GA appointment that has seemed highly unusual to the GA's regulars.

GA regulars have previously described the GA mods' style as "cold, standoffish and impenetrable," "uninformed," "vicious," and suffering from "delusion." For many players, this appointment will only deepen their disillusionment with this stagnant part of the game.

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And given Auralia's and your own past animosity with virtually half of the WA regular cohort and even most of the WA mods - over GAR#2, self-commend (Auralia) - anyone remember the time Auralia posted calling quits over those? - or over virtually anything to do with abortion (you and Auralia), I wouldn't be surprised if Auralia had any bone to pick with anyone being chosen as mod, even with the players in the list he proposed.

In fact, I don't see Wrapper as an awkward choice - in fact an extremely neutral one that doesn't pander to the old legions of IntFed and NatSov, or to anything at all. Wrapper certainly isn't a extremely prolific Douria-esque resolutions writer, nor a very successful one, but within many of the threads in the GA Wrapper's opinions and takes on the issues are there. Wrapper is constantly at the Strangers' Bar - showing dedication to the forum per se.

Let's face it - Wrapper's more of a mentor, than a writer. Yet, it doesn't detract away the fact that he knows the scene well - even more so than Mallorea and Riva, which unfortunately would be suited more as a mod for GP than the original WA post he was supposed to helm, because Mallorea is really green in this area.

Honestly, Auralia, and CD, given that you all are quite insular from the rest of the WA group, I don't think your opinions are representative of the rest. I don't think you two know Wrapper well enough compared to the abovementioned list of Monkey Island/AO/IDU group, or to people like me or Wallenberg or SP or anyone else who have been in there doing something else except touting his/her own proposals. I think Wrapper is THE optimal choice for WA mod in this case (and I sincerely thank the mods for coming to this decision), for both his well understanding of the WA and for his contributions in ways that are different from the usual proposal-writing - such as bringing back the roleplay to the WA (as the IDU does), yet at a far more constant rate than the IDU members combined, actually helping others with their proposal, and having an extremely neutral stance towards stuff.

I'm expecting someone to rebut this, but I'll just leave this here as it. We'll beg to differ, you can show your displeasure, but I do think even the opinions of seven or more mods in the discussion agreeing with this decision (with other WA regulars) would make you two seem like just like a bitter, vocal super-minority.