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Postby [violet] » Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:22 pm

Yes, in order to prevent a single, server-destroying gold rush, we initially only released nation names with populations under 100 million or something, and that number increased by a million or so per day, opening up more and more names.

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Postby Saintland » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:00 pm

From what I can tell, the current forums date to May of 2009. Since names are currently released after 5 years, that means that the first nation names that made forum posts will be released in several months (such as this one, a nation that made 2 forum posts in May 2009 and CTEd). If, this July, somebody signs up with the same nation name as that nation from 2009, would they be credited with the previous nation of the same name's forum posts? If not, what would happen to those 2 forum posts?
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Postby [violet] » Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:15 pm

Well, crap. It's been five years already?

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Postby Tlik » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:29 am

[violet] wrote:Well, crap. It's been five years already?

How time flies when you're having fun trying to prevent everything from breaking while also adding new things to appease a mob of moody players... :P

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Postby Leningrad Union » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:00 pm

Saintland wrote:From what I can tell, the current forums date to May of 2009. Since names are currently released after 5 years, that means that the first nation names that made forum posts will be released in several months (such as this one, a nation that made 2 forum posts in May 2009 and CTEd). If, this July, somebody signs up with the same nation name as that nation from 2009, would they be credited with the previous nation of the same name's forum posts? If not, what would happen to those 2 forum posts?

I was wondering that too.

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Postby Percvania » Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:31 pm

Awesome!

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Postby Leningrad Union » Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:04 pm

Percvania wrote:Awesome!

You know this is VERY old news, right?

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Postby The Dreadite Horde » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:28 pm

What's a reserved name?

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Postby Inventio » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:08 pm

The Dreadite Horde wrote:What's a reserved name?

A name that can't be recycled again because it has been "marked reserved by a game mod."
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Postby Jorji Cobrastan » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:46 pm

Well, I guess when the name "Sappluma" gets released, I'm going to grab it, then make a nation of more than 500 million people and abandon it, so then no one can use it :twisted:

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Postby Reploid Productions » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:50 pm

Jorji Cobrastan wrote:Well, I guess when the name "Sappluma" gets released, I'm going to grab it, then make a nation of more than 500 million people and abandon it, so then no one can use it :twisted:

Do remember that just like mods can mark nation names as reserved, we can also unmark them. :roll:
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Postby Riemstagrad » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:49 am

Reploid Productions wrote:
Jorji Cobrastan wrote:Well, I guess when the name "Sappluma" gets released, I'm going to grab it, then make a nation of more than 500 million people and abandon it, so then no one can use it :twisted:

Do remember that just like mods can mark nation names as reserved, we can also unmark them. :roll:


I'm preparing a list. do you want it in pdf? or would it be easier to automate the procedure if i send in a plain text file?


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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:01 pm

Riemstagrad wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Do remember that just like mods can mark nation names as reserved, we can also unmark them. :roll:


I'm preparing a list. do you want it in pdf? or would it be easier to automate the procedure if i send in a plain text file?


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Postby Congo-Cabinda » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:16 pm

Just out of curiosity, I'm sure it's been asked before. Are there plans for there to be a time limit for nation names to become available even with 500+ population? I understand the other points about founders and resolution authors but Ive been waiting for a name for the past 6 years who cted after 3 months with around 600 mil population! Maybe a 8 year cut off or something were the cap rises to maybe 1 bil? Can you give me any hope? :')

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Postby -The Unified Earth Governments- » Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:37 pm

There should be a nation name edit or something in the future, maybe with a small note under the name on the forums that last a month or two just so people know the change just in case?

So long as the name is not already taken, it can help imo, would allow me to get rid of the two -'s in my name....if only my nation initially glitch out forcing me to use this.
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Postby Jeckland » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:51 am

Saintland wrote:From what I can tell, the current forums date to May of 2009. Since names are currently released after 5 years, that means that the first nation names that made forum posts will be released in several months (such as this one, a nation that made 2 forum posts in May 2009 and CTEd). If, this July, somebody signs up with the same nation name as that nation from 2009, would they be credited with the previous nation of the same name's forum posts? If not, what would happen to those 2 forum posts?

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Postby The grand feline empire » Fri May 09, 2014 6:03 am

[violet] wrote:As long threatened, we're going to open up old nation names for re-use.

For a sneak preview, use this page to see if/when a particular nation name would become available:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=boneyard

Under the proposed rules, a name would be available for re-use unless the former owner:
  1. is active
  2. ceased to exist less than 5 years ago
  3. accumulated a population of 500 million or more (changed from 250 million in Spring 2013)
  4. founded an existing region
  5. is mentioned in the History of an existing region
  6. authored or was the subject of a WA resolution (incl. Historical ones)
  7. authored an Issue
  8. was a moderator or admin
  9. was deleted by a mod
  10. is marked as reserved by a Game Mod

There are a very large number of nation names that were used only briefly, and whose former owner is highly unlikely to ever return, so the feeling is that we should make those available for people who want them. Nations that hung around for a reasonable length of time, however, or ceased to exist relatively recently, or did something of particular note, should remain reserved in case the former owner one day wants to revive them.

If an old nation has its name re-used, it cannot be resurrected, even if the newer nation ceases to exist.

Please let me know your thoughts! There is some time before this will go live, and we can tweak in the meantime.

To anticipate a couple of questions:

Q: "250M population is too low." / "Five years is too long."
A: If the release goes well, we might look at loosening the restrictions in the future1 to make nations with slightly larger populations or more recent CTE dates available. But that's something to consider later.

Q: "Why does the Boneyard say different names will become available on different days?"
A: Just to spread things out, so we don't get hammered by everyone trying to reclaim an old name at once.

Q: "I really, really want this one name. Can't you make a special exemption and let me have it?"
A: No.

1Limit raised to 500M in Spring 2013


Please remove it >:(

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri May 09, 2014 6:11 am

The grand feline empire wrote:
[violet] wrote:As long threatened, we're going to open up old nation names for re-use.

For a sneak preview, use this page to see if/when a particular nation name would become available:

http://www.nationstates.net/page=boneyard

Under the proposed rules, a name would be available for re-use unless the former owner:
  1. is active
  2. ceased to exist less than 5 years ago
  3. accumulated a population of 500 million or more (changed from 250 million in Spring 2013)
  4. founded an existing region
  5. is mentioned in the History of an existing region
  6. authored or was the subject of a WA resolution (incl. Historical ones)
  7. authored an Issue
  8. was a moderator or admin
  9. was deleted by a mod
  10. is marked as reserved by a Game Mod

There are a very large number of nation names that were used only briefly, and whose former owner is highly unlikely to ever return, so the feeling is that we should make those available for people who want them. Nations that hung around for a reasonable length of time, however, or ceased to exist relatively recently, or did something of particular note, should remain reserved in case the former owner one day wants to revive them.

If an old nation has its name re-used, it cannot be resurrected, even if the newer nation ceases to exist.

Please let me know your thoughts! There is some time before this will go live, and we can tweak in the meantime.

To anticipate a couple of questions:

Q: "250M population is too low." / "Five years is too long."
A: If the release goes well, we might look at loosening the restrictions in the future1 to make nations with slightly larger populations or more recent CTE dates available. But that's something to consider later.

Q: "Why does the Boneyard say different names will become available on different days?"
A: Just to spread things out, so we don't get hammered by everyone trying to reclaim an old name at once.

Q: "I really, really want this one name. Can't you make a special exemption and let me have it?"
A: No.

1Limit raised to 500M in Spring 2013


Please remove it >:(


Please remove what?
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Postby Maltropia » Fri May 09, 2014 12:43 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
The grand feline empire wrote:
Please remove it >:(


Please remove what?

I'm assuming 'the limit'. That, or the whole site.
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Postby Riotopia » Fri May 16, 2014 2:58 am

Gotta rework this.

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Postby SFBA Campinia » Fri May 16, 2014 6:12 am

I had nations cte in 2006 revived in 2011. It does happen.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri May 16, 2014 6:14 am

SFBA Campinia wrote:I had nations cte in 2006 revived in 2011. It does happen.


I recently revived nations from 2004/05.
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Postby Syrmia » Fri May 16, 2014 6:43 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
The grand feline empire wrote:
Please remove it >:(


Please remove what?


These rules

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Postby Syrmia » Fri May 16, 2014 6:47 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
SFBA Campinia wrote:I had nations cte in 2006 revived in 2011. It does happen.


I recently revived nations from 2004/05.


If you can do that Revive my old nation lenion and change its password to And Message me the p4ssword cuz i forgot my old one thats why it was deleted

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Postby Herrebrugh » Fri May 16, 2014 6:47 am

Syrmia wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Please remove what?


These rules


They won't be. And I don't mind that at all.
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