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Postby Excidium Planetis » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:09 am

Mefpan wrote:
Nephmir wrote:I only got four issues. I answered the first option for each one. Why did I not get the fifth?

Some branches in the chain are shorter.

I'm sure the nuclear option would be by far the shortest.


Actually, It's 5 Issues, longer than some chains.
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Postby Esalonia » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:18 am

I didn't get even the first issue in the chain :(
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:28 am

Esalonia wrote:I didn't get even the first issue in the chain :(

You need to allow immigration, so neither have I :lol:
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Postby Luna Amore » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:53 am

Esalonia wrote:I didn't get even the first issue in the chain :(

You qualify for it so just be patient. Should show up sometime.

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Postby Esalonia » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:59 am

Luna Amore wrote:
Esalonia wrote:I didn't get even the first issue in the chain :(

You qualify for it so just be patient. Should show up sometime.

How does Luna Amore know that I qualify for the first issue in the chain? It's very creepy...anyways I think I'll have fun on the chain, and I won't choose the nuke ending however. I'm gonna keep it less bloody, and fight Brasilistan into submission by destroying military assets. I won't send a landing force but naval units are going to be present.

Anyways, if NS Hellmarches existed...
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Postby Sanctaria » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:04 am

Esalonia wrote:
Luna Amore wrote:You qualify for it so just be patient. Should show up sometime.

How does Luna Amore know that I qualify for the first issue in the chain? It's very creepy...

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Postby Mushet » Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:59 pm

I've been getting these, on my third one

First I went with the more diplomatic option
Which apparentally got the hostages released but Brasilistan started encouraging it's military to attack me and my interests or something
I was faced with the option of trade sanctions, something like a military blockade and/or some pretty hardcore invasion shit, can't properly remember if it was part of that option or a different one entirely, or sending a small force to take out it's government, like assasins or something
I opted for the last, now I'm faced with this
Issue Series

“An International Incident”

The Story So Far

Your government's response to overtures of aggression from the Brasilistanis has been to march the Abya Yalan army in and take out the tyrannical and violent government.

The Issue

The "intervention" into Brasilistan has largely been a success, but now the nation has devolved into anarchy with no functioning government. International allies and observers are concerned and have asked that Mushet clean up the mess it made.


The Debate

1."This is our chance to expand our power and influence", your Minister for Defence suggests quietly. "Brasilistan might have had a tyrannical government, but the people may be useful, and it does have plenty of resources. We need to send in the remainder of our armed forces, quell any dissent, and set ourselves up a nice colony. We'd have more taxes coming in, a larger pool of people for our army to recruit from, and we'll have a nice power base in a far off part of the region. It'll be costly, but definitely worth it."

Accept


2.Foreign Minister Smoochinger sighs before joining in the conversation. "If we colonise Brasilistan then we'll be doing exactly what its last government did that got us into this mess – sweeping attacks on another peoples' sovereignty. I agree that we should send in more troops to clean up things, but then we should help them set up a new, stable, and less aggressive government. Admittedly, this will consume large resources in the short term, but think of the public support we'd attain by establishing a new democracy full of freedoms abroad. And the long term benefits of ensuring it's a government that's friendly and sympathetic to our aims are pretty enticing too."

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.


The Government Position

The government has indicated its intention to follow the recommendations of Option 2.

And as you can see I chose option 2.
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Postby Mushet » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:12 pm

Oh and the things I got in my nation description

After 1st one: the nightly news reports prosaically on the government blindly throwing money at despotic kidnappers
2nd one: a new Brasilistani government has become a daily report on the main evening news.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:57 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Esalonia wrote:I didn't get even the first issue in the chain :(

You need to allow immigration, so neither have I :lol:


*emigration
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Postby Dracolich » Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:56 pm

Dracolich wrote:6. Colony experiencing teething problems
Grant Brasilistanis full citizenship

the nation has gained millions of new citizens overnight.

End of chain.
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Postby Diyel Grandiose » Mon Apr 06, 2015 6:36 pm

Can I ask Luna Amore if I'm qualified for the issue? If not, what are the qualifications?

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:29 pm

Diyel Grandiose wrote:Can I ask Luna Amore if I'm qualified for the issue? If not, what are the qualifications?


Allow emigration

Have a military
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Postby Mushet » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:38 pm

The Story So Far

In order to secure Mushet's interest in Brasilistan, as well as stabilise the ravaged country, your government has ensured that someone agreeable to Mushet has been installed as leader.

The Issue

After Mushet's hand-picked candidate for leader of Brasilistan was assassinated in broad daylight – and then the next hand-picked successor mysteriously disappearing overnight – it's becoming clear that propping up a new government that is friendly to Mushet's aims is much more difficult that originally imagined.


The Debate

1."It's time we left Brasilistan, and that whole region, well alone", Hillary Smoochinger, your Foreign Minister says quietly, putting a hand on your shoulder. "It's clear that the natives are resisting our blatant interference, and our own popularity here at home may begin to suffer if we keep pouring Abya Yala Dollars into another country. Let's just pull out and start spending that money where it belongs, here in Mushet."

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.


2."I agree – to an extent", your Treasury Minister Timothy Legarde says, chiming in. "We definitely need to get out of the area as soon as possible, but that doesn't mean we should abandon all interests there. We need to pick a faction we like, show them how generous we can be in selling them some armaments and, ba-da-bing, ba-da-boom, we're not only seeing our interests served in the area, we're making cash while doing it. Extra bonus is we're not risking any of our people's lives. It can't go wrong!"

Accept


3."What absolute bullsh-, eh pat. Absolute bullpat", General Dwight Powell, your Armed Forces Chief of Staff blurts out before correcting himself. "Yes, this puppetmaster routine clearly isn't working, but that doesn't mean we need to cut our losses and get out of the area! No, clearly we have something to gain from this and that something is Brasilistan itself. It's time to take the place over and sort the mess out ourselves in our own time-honoured way – absolute brute force."


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Postby Yokorishi » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:02 pm

I got this, I waged to war with them of course, I can't let my people suffer, and I also feel bad. It also could be an excuse for Rapid Expansion!

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Postby Mushet » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:12 pm

Afta pick aforemention option:

"the nation has abandoned Brasilistan to its fate"

Meessa thinkin isa over,can ve been nice if weesa gotin a banner or someth.
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Gun control is, and always has been, a tool of white supremacy.

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Postby Diyel Grandiose » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:10 am

Valrifell wrote:
Diyel Grandiose wrote:Can I ask Luna Amore if I'm qualified for the issue? If not, what are the qualifications?


Allow emigration

Have a military


I have both qualifications .. how long will it take for me to have that chain?

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Postby Jute » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:48 am

Mushet wrote:Afta pick aforemention option:

"the nation has abandoned Brasilistan to its fate"

Meessa thinkin isa over,can ve been nice if weesa gotin a banner or someth.

What kind of accent is that?
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Postby Czechostan » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:44 am

Jute wrote:
Mushet wrote:Afta pick aforemention option:

"the nation has abandoned Brasilistan to its fate"

Meessa thinkin isa over,can ve been nice if weesa gotin a banner or someth.

What kind of accent is that?

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Postby Garden of Aden » Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:28 am

Sanctions, sanctions everywhere
Results for second choice in "an international incident" issue

A distant country called Brasilistan has abducted Adenian citizens and sent them to work in diamond mines in appalling conditions. You gathered your advisers and decided the best course of action was to wade in carefully with some carrot-and-stick diplomacy.

The Issue

The decision to try for a diplomatic solution with Brasilistan, rather than open warfare, has been a success with the hostages released. However, aggrieved leading members of the Brasilstani government are openly encouraging vigilantes in the nation's armed forces to hit back at Garden of Aden and its interests. The debate now turns to what Garden of Aden should do next to completely neutralise Brasilistan.

The Debate

"Extending the hand of peace was all well and good, but now we have to make sure they stay under our thumb", your Minister for Foreign Affairs Hillary Smoochinger says candidly, taking a seat in your office. "Right now they can fall back on their military and continue to do unspeakable and violent acts - don't forget they abducted their own children! But if we make that option unviable, then I think we'll find them more than eager to sit down to peace talks. To cripple their military, we need to cripple their economy, and the most effective way to do this is through sanctions. We can embargo the non-essential items, and stick considerable tariffs on the stuff we do need. Eventually they'll have to accede to our demands."

Accept

"Crippling their military is a good idea, but we don't have the time for economics to work", the Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces, General Dwight Powell barks. "We need to get our Navy to blockade their ports, get our Air Force to bomb their airfields and key economic centres – we don't have to put a single soldier on Brasilistan soil and we'll still be able to force them into submission. With blockaded ports, burning airfields, and a decimated economy, their military will have no hope of controlling the home front, let alone invading another country. They'll be soon doing what we tell them. A little gunboat diplomacy is all we need."

Accept

"These options all sound quite expensive", chimes in Timothy Lagarde, the Treasury Minister. "Wouldn't it be cheaper to, perhaps, send in a few very well trained, and very deadly, operatives and have them deal with the top officials in the regime? We might find some to be very agreeable to our terms after a few intense ... 'workouts', we'll call them. If they refuse to be co-operative, well, I'm sure removing them from the situation entirely might convince their successors to see our way of thinking. It'll be cheaper for us with no long lasting effects on either nation. Everybody wins! Except for those assassinated, of course, but let's not concern ourselves with those little details."

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Postby Herargon » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:45 pm

I wonder, are the references to Brasilistan in non-Chain issue options a wink to the chain, (thus a joke), or do they in fact lead you to the Chain?

I personally think it is a joke, but I was curious to know.
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Postby Luna Amore » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:18 pm

Herargon wrote:I wonder, are the references to Brasilistan in non-Chain issue options a wink to the chain, (thus a joke), or do they in fact lead you to the Chain?

I personally think it is a joke, but I was curious to know.

There's only 1 reference (#404: Issue Not Found) and its tongue-in-cheek.

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Postby Fauzjhia » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:32 pm

Does my nation qualify for the chain ?
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Postby Jykku » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:37 pm

So my question would be: what's the reason for having the Nuclear Option being offered with EVERY non-Nuclear choice?
I mean, I'm at the "they surrendered, now what?" branch, and it's STILL asking me if I wanna nuke them, even though I kinda made it clear with every choice beforehand that I didn't want to.

I love that it's there though, to kind of highlight the variable mental state behind the head of state during this time of crisis in AD 2101 when war was beginning.
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Postby Garden of Aden » Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:41 pm

An unstable situation
3rd issue in chain
Results from 3rd choice in last issue

Your government's response to overtures of aggression from the Brasilistanis has been to march the Adenian army in and take out the tyrannical and violent government.

The Issue

The "intervention" into Brasilistan has largely been a success, but now the nation has devolved into anarchy with no functioning government. International allies and observers are concerned and have asked that Garden of Aden clean up the mess it made.

The Debate

"This is our chance to expand our power and influence", your Minister for Defence suggests quietly. "Brasilistan might have had a tyrannical government, but the people may be useful, and it does have plenty of resources. We need to send in the remainder of our armed forces, quell any dissent, and set ourselves up a nice colony. We'd have more taxes coming in, a larger pool of people for our army to recruit from, and we'll have a nice power base in a far off part of the region. It'll be costly, but definitely worth it."

Accept

Foreign Minister Smoochinger sighs before joining in the conversation. "If we colonise Brasilistan then we'll be doing exactly what its last government did that got us into this mess – sweeping attacks on another peoples' sovereignty. I agree that we should send in more troops to clean up things, but then we should help them set up a new, stable, and less aggressive government. Admittedly, this will consume large resources in the short term, but think of the public support we'd attain by establishing a new democracy full of freedoms abroad. And the long term benefits of ensuring it's a government that's friendly and sympathetic to our aims are pretty enticing too."

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.

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Postby Nachmere » Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:30 pm

I wonder if i got this already and accidently dismissed it? kind of strange I did not get it yet.

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