Paradox Games V: Oh baby! I love you so---*heart attack*

[Deramen]

Victoria 3 is actually confirmed. The world is ending.

Im fainting.

I've been hyped for Victoria 3 for years now.
Like I actually need some water because of how excited I am.

[Genivaria]

The question is who's holding the chains?
Who's watching the slaves?

Nobody, no army or navy is required to keep slaves in check.
They just passively accept their lot.
It is rather silly.

I dunno, maybe they recognize that dissent is punishable by orbital nuclear holocaust.

So what exactly happens when a rebel movement rebels?
I've stacked the planet with all the armies I can in waiting.

[Mefpan]

I dunno, maybe they recognize that dissent is punishable by orbital nuclear holocaust.

So what exactly happens when a rebel movement rebels?
I've stacked the planet with all the armies I can in waiting.

A bunch of defense armies spawn and get shot dead by your assault armies.

If you don't have any, the rebels might succeed in taking the world and I don't know, might after a short while of occupation do to it what they said they wanted to do with it.

But just shooting the rebels dead when they rise up seems to be the best way of dealing with them - trying to keep their strength down is a futile attempt. Kill them all and the rebellious faction just kind of evaporates and never seems to turn up again if it's a nationalist one. Admittedly, usually this results in xeno minorities lobbying for a whole sector that they make perhap 5% of the population of to go independent. In futility, I might add.

[The East Marches]

Victoria 3 is actually confirmed. The world is ending.

Colonies and gun boat diplomacy

Soon.jpg.gif.exe

[Deramen]

Victoria 3 is actually confirmed. The world is ending.

Colonies and gun boat diplomacy

Soon.jpg.gif.exe

Exploit a people and their very way of life to make a few more ducats while backstabbing your allies to control more land and tax everyone at 100%. All you can fund your 100K stacks of army's.

feelsgood.jpg.

[Mefpan]

Colonies and gun boat diplomacy

Soon.jpg.gif.exe

Exploit a people and their very way of life to make a few more ducats while backstabbing your allies to control more land and tax everyone at 100%. All you can fund your 100K stacks of army's.

feelsgood.jpg.

>taxes
Are you kidding me? Rotating bitchslaps for everyone in Europe to cut down to size and war reparations to ffinance your state. Tributary system in Europe when.

[Deramen]

Exploit a people and their very way of life to make a few more ducats while backstabbing your allies to control more land and tax everyone at 100%. All you can fund your 100K stacks of army's.

feelsgood.jpg.

>taxes
Are you kidding me? Rotating bitchslaps for everyone in Europe to cut down to size and war reparations to ffinance your state. Tributary system in Europe when.

Yeah see how far it gets you when you hit 25 infamy after a war or two.

[The East Marches]

Colonies and gun boat diplomacy

Soon.jpg.gif.exe

Exploit a people and their very way of life to make a few more ducats while backstabbing your allies to control more land and tax everyone at 100%. All you can fund your 100K stacks of army's.

feelsgood.jpg.

>mfw I got this event

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/631859135418454945/222BC34BCA9213E909EE5D5E33A582DB5982908F/

I hope they keep the lulz worthy events. I really liked them. Nothing makes me happier than keeping the Irish out of whatever country I'm playing as.

[Deramen]

Exploit a people and their very way of life to make a few more ducats while backstabbing your allies to control more land and tax everyone at 100%. All you can fund your 100K stacks of army's.

feelsgood.jpg.

>mfw I got this event

[img]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/631859135418454945/222BC34BCA9213E909EE5D5E33A582DB5982908F/
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I hope they keep the lulz worthy events. I really liked them. Nothing makes me happier than keeping the Irish out of whatever country I'm playing as.

I swear the funnest event I've ever seen is when I tried ultimate on 1836, I got an event that went like "A new strategy game called Victoria 2 came out in Sweden today." I was laughing my ass off at how stupid it was.

[Mefpan]

>taxes
Are you kidding me? Rotating bitchslaps for everyone in Europe to cut down to size and war reparations to ffinance your state. Tributary system in Europe when.

Yeah see how far it gets you when you hit 25 infamy after a war or two.

It works if you keep on rolling. Critical momentum is attained once the French murder each other just as much as you them. Russia is a joke and Austria should be partitioned and annexed.

[The East Marches]

>mfw I got this event

[img]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/631859135418454945/222BC34BCA9213E909EE5D5E33A582DB5982908F/
[/img]

I hope they keep the lulz worthy events. I really liked them. Nothing makes me happier than keeping the Irish out of whatever country I'm playing as.

I swear the funnest event I've ever seen is when I tried ultimate on 1836, I got an event that went like "A new strategy game called Victoria 2 came out in Sweden today." I was laughing my ass off at how stupid it was.

I got one where I was playing as the Confederacy and it went

"Why should France get all the prime colonial land? It's downright unfair, that's what it is! They probably aren't even properly exploit- educating the native population! Something must be done, we deserve our place in the sun!"

Solid 10/10, Vicky 2 was great.

[Deramen]

I swear the funnest event I've ever seen is when I tried ultimate on 1836, I got an event that went like "A new strategy game called Victoria 2 came out in Sweden today." I was laughing my ass off at how stupid it was.

I got one where I was playing as the Confederacy and it went

"Why should France get all the prime colonial land? It's downright unfair, that's what it is! They probably aren't even properly exploit- educating the native population! Something must be done, we deserve our place in the sun!"

Solid 10/10, Vicky 2 was great.

Don't forget as a unciv when you got foreign weapons the text says "Now this is my BOOMSTICK!"
I lol'd at that.

[Ifreann]

Stellaris dev diary: QA IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE

[Genivaria]

Stellaris dev diary: QA IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE

Socially awkward Molluscoid, I lold so hard.

[Ostroeuropa]

Stellaris dev diary: QA IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE

Lolol molluscoid.

I've been derping around trying to get an optimal empire build, and i'm down to a few choices.

Our goal is 30% potential adaptability, 30% potential happiness, which will trigger Joyful on all tier 1 and tier 2 worlds for +20% production, and leave tier 3 worlds at a comfortable level of colonizability, and give negative ethics divergence and very low revolt risks. Any bonuses on top of this are a plus.

10% adapt is available from tech, 15% with the frontier clinic, 20% with the (pacifist) paradise dome on top, and an additional 5% from Engos habitability. Taking adaptable on top of all that is sufficient to get 100/95/65/35 on all tiers. That's 5% more than you need, since the +20% production kicks in at 90, so pacifist isn't necessary. Just take Adaptable trait and build frontier clinics and the Engos building when you find it.

30% happiness is harder to achieve without pacifism. Spiritualist/Fanatic spiritualist gives 10 and 15 happiness (Because of the void clouds special discovery giving an additional +5 to spiritual empires), which gets you a significant amount of the way there. Individualist on top of that would give the +15 entertainment building, allowing fanatic-spiritualist individualist to already achieve it, or spiritualist-individualist to achieve it if you take Communal in addition to Adaptive.
However, this would mean no slavery tolerance later, so we're not doing that.
1. Spiritualist for 10.
2. Communal for 15. (balance with decadent.)
3. Teldar plants give an additional 10 to the empire, bringing us to 25.
4. The militarist building will push this over the top to 30, give better armies, and less ethics divergence too.

So far:
Adaptable, Decadent, Communal.
Militarist-Spiritualist

And we're at +30 potential adaptability, +30 potential happiness. (Higher if you get lucky with events, but let's not risk it.)

With the extra ethos point, we could dump it into Militarist for the fanatic bonus and to squeeze a bit more out of it, Spiritualist would be largely useless except for the edict giving higher pop growth (Unless multi-species, see below), or we could go for Xenophile, Collectivist, Xenophobe.

Here it depends on the type of game you want to play. With the final point, i'd say dumping into Xenophobe will make happiness easier from the Purity building, but it means no gene augmentation which is bad, and Collectivist works okay for purging too, which when you also account for the fact the extra happiness is largely wasted, makes Xenophobe a bad choice compared to collectivist if going purging. (Collectivist also has nice unique techs.)
If going conquering/uplifting and integrating, xenophile is a fine choice, though putting the extra point into spiritualist to become a fanatic would be even better, since your conquered species are unlikely to have the Communal trait, and this will make up for that. (As well as allow you to move the Communal trait into something else.)

Government choice is a no brainer, go for Divine Mandate. The slavery tolerance from it and its upgrade combined with your builds happiness focus will mean extremely productive slaves.

Results of the final build;

If Genocidal:
Spiritualist/Militarist/Collectivist
Adaptable, Decadent, Communal.
Divine mandate.
->
Will be able to colonize tier 1 and tier 2 planets and get the Joyful bonus, giving 20% bonus to all types of production, higher for minerals and food due to enslavement. Tier 3 planets can be colonized to an average level, without the bonuses. This makes a genocidal species viable for colonizing large parts of the galaxy without terraforming.

If integrating:
Fanatic Spiritualist/Militarist
Adaptable. (??? Decadent/Strong, or Decadent/Sedentary/Talented.)
Divine Mandate.
-> Will allow conquered species to hit 90% happiness, and your primary species to be able to colonize most of the universe. Retains slavery bonuses.


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A happiness/adaptability build is imo straight up better than other builds, since it gives a +20 to all the things, and lowers rebellion and ethics divergence. Compared to a build focused on tech, or mining, etc, it's way more powerful.
When gene editing, i'd go for throwing in talented and strong.

Slaves will produce 40% more minerals, 40% more food. FreePops will generate 20% more energy, 20% more research. More with some edicts or events in place, but this is the baseline once your empire is up and running with the Engos and Teldar plant. You will have -25% ethics divergence from Joyful and the military building. Your armies will be more powerful due to a bit of militarism, and you have access to full bombardment policy.


Thoughts?

[Ostroeuropa]

Alternatively, Robutts build:

Fanatic Individualist - Materialist
Thrifty - Communal - Sedentary
Direct Democracy

For +35% energy
+5 all science
+5 happiness
And extra planets.

With fanatic individualist building giving +15, and the teldar plant an additional 10, you can hit 30% happiness. The fanatic individualist special building also means empire wide more energy production, allowing robot spam in place of adaptability bonuses. Once gene augmentation comes into play, add adaptive and drop sedentary. The high happiness will mean you can integrate other species, but unfortunately, no purging or enslaving allowed. In addition, only other Communal species will be able to get the +20 bonus. This build is probably only competitve with the above on on larger maps with more room to colonize and spam robots.

[Genivaria]

I'm honestly not finding a play style that I like because the game just seems rather stale to me.
Maybe after they fix it I'll be more enthusiastic but idk.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm honestly not finding a play style that I like because the game just seems rather stale to me.
Maybe after they fix it I'll be more enthusiastic but idk.

Yeh, they need to fix it quick ;( It's irritating that so many playstyles are simply not viable due to bugs.

[The Wolven League]

My PC could barely run Total War Attila. More than a little worried that it won't be able to handle HoI Iv :/

[Bralia]

Seems legit.

I will award 1,000,000 completely tangible internet points to the person who photoshops Justin Trudeau into a fascist uniform for me.

[The Wolven League]

Seems legit.

I will award 1,000,000 completely tangible internet points to the person who photoshops Justin Trudeau into a fascist uniform for me.

Make maple syrup great again.

[Genivaria]

I'm honestly not finding a play style that I like because the game just seems rather stale to me.
Maybe after they fix it I'll be more enthusiastic but idk.

Yeh, they need to fix it quick ;( It's irritating that so many playstyles are simply not viable due to bugs.

Not just bugs but more that the game feels...empty.
Maybe it's just me but I'd really like more feedback from your pops, your leaders, some kind of council in game.
The only dialogue we get now is from other empires(who go sadly quiet when you conquer them) and fucking VIR.
I have half a mind to leave him on full time just so there's a voice.

I look at pop happiness and it's just a number percentage, give me some feedback damnit!
I want living, breathing characters in my game that respond to your actions.
I want a diplomatic mission to perhaps include one leader visiting the homeworld of another empire and falling in love with their culture, or perhaps committing a faux pas and getting imprisoned.

Think of the potential!

"Hello fellow cat empire....I must say you look....exquisite..."
"Umm...thank you your majesty.... "

[Herargon]

This is infuriating. I just got into an interstellar war and what all my allies care about is exceeding the warscore cost by a few hundred points when making war demands!

Fuck this worthless alliance of me.

[Mefpan]

This is infuriating. I just got into an interstellar war and what all my allies care about is exceeding the warscore cost by a few hundred points when making war demands!

Fuck this worthless alliance of me.

"Oh my god, stay away you bloody space nazis!" -300 threat modifier despite not having expanded into their direction since some 75 years
*arglbargl space daemons*
"Oh my god, save us, wonderful space nazis!" +200 mutual threat modifier due to space daemons
>"sheesh fine just let me thr- federation? That'll do I supp- YOU GUYS ONLY HAVE TEN SHIPS PUT TOGETHER?!"
"oh god, wonderful space nazis, save us, there is another federation being opportunistic and attacking us because we pissed them off and never built up any defensives of our own"

There is a reason the only alliances I tolerate in this game are the ones where the xenos are completely subservient to my empire and have no right to an independent foreign policy.

[Genivaria]

This is infuriating. I just got into an interstellar war and what all my allies care about is exceeding the warscore cost by a few hundred points when making war demands!

Fuck this worthless alliance of me.

"Oh my god, stay away you bloody space nazis!" -300 threat modifier despite not having expanded into their direction since some 75 years
*arglbargl space daemons*
"Oh my god, save us, wonderful space nazis!" +200 mutual threat modifier due to space daemons
>"sheesh fine just let me thr- federation? That'll do I supp- YOU GUYS ONLY HAVE TEN SHIPS PUT TOGETHER?!"
"oh god, wonderful space nazis, save us, there is another federation being opportunistic and attacking us because we pissed them off and never built up any defensives of our own"

There is a reason the only alliances I tolerate in this game are the ones where the xenos are completely subservient to my empire and have no right to an independent foreign policy.

We need a Warsaw Pact kind of alliance.