The Osiris Fraternal Order

[Affectionate Kitty]

It regularly astounds me how many people who don't care about a region under normal circumstances will turn up to make snide comments and personal attacks against the people they dislike the moment a coup happens. It's like they just sit there and wait for the ideal opportunity to jump in and attack. Gameplay really does come across as a self-serving community sometimes. The best part for me is that everyone hides their enjoyment of their chances to attack enemies under faces of righteousness. Why not just admit that you were all waiting for this opportunity to show your real faces instead of hiding them under the pretense of righteous crusader positions? It might even be refreshing to be that honest with yourselves.

[Glen-Rhodes]

The OFO was a coup. This is OFO 2.0. The only legitimate course of action here is to disavow both, and return Osiris to an actual democracy. The OFO was never a democratic regime, as elections were clearly just a privilege that would be taken away as long as the citizenry allowed the original OFO coup leaders to remain.

I'd be more inclined to argue for supporting AJW's government if it turned into a faction that would restore a legitimately democratic order to the region.


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[Mediobogdum]

*rewinds tape and fills up popcorn tub*
This is compulsive viewing.

[Evil Wolf]

The OFO was a coup. This is OFO 2.0. The only legitimate course of action here is to disavow both, and return Osiris to an actual democracy.

And how would you propose we do that? The government that held Osiris before the OFO is all but dead, not even a Government in Exile remains. In order to do what you're proposing, you'd have to organize a third faction.

[Lord Ravenclaw]

*passes popcorn* *sips coffee*

That's the way!

Anyway, so if Raven was able to clear there doesn't seems to be THAT particular external support, we are back to fully internal? And I'm guess both sides will start trying to gather supporters?

I'd say it's hardly internal. The Pharaoh of Osiris, Jesus Whale has already been in contact with most, if not all, of Osiris' treaty allies and regions willing to assist. Which is how I know what's going on.

Somehow, those parties do not seem to be willing to listen to the words of someone convicted of treason (who has tried to, threatened to or actually managed to cause significant instability, and division in Osiris with their behaviour over the last three years - that being Cormac) over the word of the person who was lawfully elected and had committed no crimes other than the imaginary ones spouted from fantasies of Cormac and his supporters.

Just Saturday, as I held a gathering of former Pharaohs with the current, in a Skype room to discuss reconciliation there was determined belief that the issues between the factions could be resolved peacefully. Until I saw the change yesterday, I believed it could happen.

How interesting, a convicted traitor to Osiris acting as a convicted traitor is want to do. Again, Osiris must be dragged to the tune of Cormac's whistle, a tune that is so, so similar to the very group Cormac claimed he was better than, that this was better. That his way was better.

Like fools, we believed him, and now we pay the price.

Oh what fools we've been.

Maybe the best way to ensure Osiris' security in future, is simply to ensure that he isn't part of it? That would be my ideal aim - and after four years (Apr 2 2012), I think it's fair to say that I was here before Cormac, and I will be in Osiris long after he's finally away from the region he has so brutally beaten at his whims time and time again.

[Glen-Rhodes]

The OFO was a coup. This is OFO 2.0. The only legitimate course of action here is to disavow both, and return Osiris to an actual democracy.

And how would you propose we do that? The government that held Osiris before the OFO is all but dead, not even a Government in Exile remains. In order to do what you're proposing, you'd have to organize a third faction.

Get rid of Cormac, Tim, Koth, Venico (is he even still in NS?), and everyone else who has either couped or supported a coup.

Osiris can't be a democracy when it doesn't really do much of anything to prohibit undemocratic forms of politics. People cheered on the OFO because they benefited from it. Now that the OFO coupers have taken their ball back, they suddenly don't like these players anymore. You can't expect to have a region that values democracy and political rights when that region itself refuses to condemn and exile those who are okay with getting rid of democracy when it's inconvenient.

That cultural disease was introduced back during the KRO when NK and Biyah weren't kicked out in 2012. It festered when the OFO was cheered on. And it was reintroduced when Cormac and others were pardoned not too long ago. The citizenry of Osiris has never taken this issue seriously.

[Queen Yuno]

I'm just pissed off that I voted for JW, he won the election, yet Cormac becomes Pharaoh.

If you made a better campaign thread, you'd have gotten more votes than him and wouldn't have needed to coup and get rid of all elections
Syl made a very very very good one too, I wanted him to win if it wasn't JW. aww..hope he becomes a scribe or something at least.

(Just not satisfying at all. All my ideas are put on hold because I don't want to do stuff in the middle of this mess, nothing personal. You booted me and everyone out from the council, the legion, the scribes, so I have limited rights (I wanted to sticky some threads and set up some requirements.) Gee thanks. I bet it'll be a long ass wait before activity resumes =.= if it ever does. Good luck everyone who had to halt activity. Zzzz. )

~yuno

[Cormactopia II]

*passes popcorn* *sips coffee*

That's the way!

Anyway, so if Raven was able to clear there doesn't seems to be THAT particular external support, we are back to fully internal? And I'm guess both sides will start trying to gather supporters?

As Raven has indicated, no, we are not back to fully internal. The aggressors are reportedly being supported by a broad range of foreign opportunists, and were before we ever requested modest support from The Red Fleet. So, far from the picture Jakker painted, it is not we who are seeking the mass support of foreign forces, but rather those around The Almighty Jesus Whale -- and particularly the Delegate of The North Pacific.

[Funkadelia]

Osiris indeed seeks stability and security, but if you are also of the same mind then why do you insist so much on creating controversy and turbulence within the region. Do not dare go around blaming whale for the problems in the community which occurred in the past couple of weeks. He has been nothing but devoted and loyal to Osiris as guardian, and there certainly has been no turbulence due to him. On the other hand, the moment you find that your grip on a region is slipping, you go to mind-boggling lengths just to secure your own influence. Is this coup not enough evidence of that? You literally dismantled the legitimate government because you were not entirely pleased with the Pharaoh, who was elected twice by the Deshret. If the community of Osiris has chosen this candidate, and has made him legitimate, how can you still claim to have the interests of the community at heart while expelling said individual? Do you not see how ridiculous this sounds?

He tried to do this to Ainocra too.

[RiderSyl]

That's the way!

Anyway, so if Raven was able to clear there doesn't seems to be THAT particular external support, we are back to fully internal? And I'm guess both sides will start trying to gather supporters?

As Raven has indicated, no, we are not back to fully internal. The aggressors are reportedly being supported by a broad range of foreign opportunists, and were before we ever requested modest support from The Red Fleet. So, far from the picture Jakker painted, it is not we who are seeking the mass support of foreign forces, but rather those around The Almighty Jesus Whale -- and particularly the Delegate of The North Pacific.

Yup, because evil Cormac! Tim who? Koth what? All that matters is the top tier controversy, damn it!

[Ikania]

That's the way!

Anyway, so if Raven was able to clear there doesn't seems to be THAT particular external support, we are back to fully internal? And I'm guess both sides will start trying to gather supporters?

As Raven has indicated, no, we are not back to fully internal. The aggressors are reportedly being supported by a broad range of foreign opportunists, and were before we ever requested modest support from The Red Fleet. So, far from the picture Jakker painted, it is not we who are seeking the mass support of foreign forces, but rather those around The Almighty Jesus Whale -- and particularly the Delegate of The North Pacific.

Fucking hell, you sound like Kim Jong Un. "THE AGGRESSORS ARE SUPPORTED BY FOREIGN OPPORTUNISTS, WE MUST FIGHT THE IMPERIALIST WESTERN PIGDOGS!"

[Plagentine]

That's the way!

Anyway, so if Raven was able to clear there doesn't seems to be THAT particular external support, we are back to fully internal? And I'm guess both sides will start trying to gather supporters?

As Raven has indicated, no, we are not back to fully internal. The aggressors are reportedly being supported by a broad range of foreign opportunists, and were before we ever requested modest support from The Red Fleet. So, far from the picture Jakker painted, it is not we who are seeking the mass support of foreign forces, but rather those around The Almighty Jesus Whale -- and particularly the Delegate of The North Pacific.

You...you didn't actually just call the legitimate government of Osiris, which you've expelled from the region by force and against the law, aggressors. And the allies of OFO which have stood there from it's founding, are now suddenly opportunists...because they support the legitimate and lawful government over the aggressive and self-serving coup? You and your fellow conspirators are the ones who are in fact opportunists, and who are the aggressors in this case. And i am seriously surprised that even you are going so far as to use such buzzwords, and in such an incorrect fashion.

[Elegarth]

QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT FROM TWP

Because of the current circumstances TWP will be temporarily withdrawing its embassy with Osiris. We do not support either side of the conflict. However, since one of the principal players in the unfolding drama has decided to follow a form of governance similar to the one he heavily criticized our region for having we believe it is appropriate to show our displeasure with his hypocrisy. We wish the community of Osiris good luck in overcoming its present problems.

Signed,
Elegarth, Delegate of TWP
BBD, BBB, Yy4u, Drach, Medio and Eli, Guardians of TWP

[Loftegen]

It regularly astounds me how many people who don't care about a region under normal circumstances will turn up to make snide comments and personal attacks against the people they dislike the moment a coup happens. It's like they just sit there and wait for the ideal opportunity to jump in and attack. Gameplay really does come across as a self-serving community sometimes. The best part for me is that everyone hides their enjoyment of their chances to attack enemies under faces of righteousness. Why not just admit that you were all waiting for this opportunity to show your real faces instead of hiding them under the pretense of righteous crusader positions? It might even be refreshing to be that honest with yourselves.

Self-demonstrating article?

[Cormactopia II]

QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT FROM TWP

Because of the current circumstances TWP will be temporarily withdrawing its embassy with Osiris. We do not support either side of the conflict. However, since one of the principal players in the unfolding drama has decided to follow a form of governance similar to the one he heavily criticized our region for having we believe it is appropriate to show our displeasure with his hypocrisy. We wish the community of Osiris good luck in overcoming its present problems.

Signed,
Elegarth, Delegate of TWP
BBD, BBB, Yy4u, Drach, Medio and Eli, Guardians of TWP

The Osiris Fraternal Order respects the neutrality of the West Pacific in this matter. We are disappointed to see the embassy between our regions closed, but we hope, in time, we can re-establish positive relations.

Best wishes to the West Pacific in the meantime.

[Wickedly evil people]

I found some graffiti in the Men's room at the Guardian's after hours club that implicates Biyah and Neenee reasserting their Empire cabal with Cormac as their figurehead.

[Valrifell]

I found some graffiti in the Men's room at the Guardian's after hours club that implicates Biyah and Neenee reasserting their Empire cabal with Cormac as their figurehead.

Good enough to coup for me.

[McManniaa]

Announcement from HYDRA Command

In light of the ongoing circumstances within Osiris, HYDRA Command will declare itself officially neutral in the ongoing dispute
between Cormac and Jesus Whale. We sincerely hope this situation is resolved in a peaceful and diplomatic manner for all parties involved, but
we will refrain from involving ourselves in this matter in any official capacity. If there are attempts at resolving this conflict peacefully, we would be happy to
offer our assistance in a capacity fitting of the circumstances, whatever they may be.

Signed McManniaa
Founder of HYDRA Command
Type 49 TARDIS HYDRA
Director of HYDRA Command
Vaculatestar
Minister of Foreign Affairs

[Cormactopia II]

Announcement from HYDRA Command

In light of the ongoing circumstances within Osiris, HYDRA Command will declare itself officially neutral in the ongoing dispute
between Cormac and Jesus Whale. We sincerely hope this situation is resolved in a peaceful and diplomatic manner for all parties involved, but
we will refrain from involving ourselves in this matter in any official capacity. If there are attempts at resolving this conflict peacefully, we would be happy to
offer our assistance in a capacity fitting of the circumstances, whatever they may be.

Signed McManniaa
Founder of HYDRA Command
Type 49 TARDIS HYDRA
Director of HYDRA Command
Vaculatestar
Minister of Foreign Affairs

We appreciate HYDRA Command's neutrality in this matter, and we look forward to eventual positive relations with our raider brothers in HYDRA Command when this conflict concludes in a matter of weeks, if not days. Thank you!

[Westwind]

Statement from Westwind, Emeritus Rex and Co-Founder of Equilism/Vice Delegate of Christmas/TWPAF Co-Commander/Former Osiris Resident

It is a great disappointment to see yet another sad situation develop in Osiris. I endorse the statement made by TWP Delegate Elegarth, recognizing this as an internal matter for Osiris to resolve. I send my best wishes to all the people of Osiris, for a quick and peaceful resolution towards a positive future outcome.

Furthermore, I wish to obtain a freshly brewed cup of coffee from Elegarth, and a share of Eli's popcorn. Meanwhile, I'll be lounging in Warrior Thorin's Hotub (for those that remember.)

[Cormactopia II]

Statement from Westwind, Emeritus Rex and Co-Founder of Equilism/Vice Delegate of Christmas/TWPAF Co-Commander/Former Osiris Resident

It is a great disappointment to see yet another sad situation develop in Osiris. I endorse the statement made by TWP Delegate Elegarth, recognizing this as an internal matter for Osiris to resolve. I send my best wishes to all the people of Osiris, for a quick and peaceful resolution towards a positive future outcome.

Furthermore, I wish to obtain a freshly brewed cup of coffee from Elegarth, and a share of Eli's popcorn. Meanwhile, I'll be lounging in Warrior Thorin's Hotub (for those that remember.)

Thank you for your well wishes, and best wishes to Equilism -- and Christmas!

[Elegarth]

Statement from Westwind, Emeritus Rex and Co-Founder of Equilism/Vice Delegate of Christmas/TWPAF Co-Commander/Former Osiris Resident

Furthermore, I wish to obtain a freshly brewed cup of coffee from Elegarth, and a share of Eli's popcorn. Meanwhile, I'll be lounging in Warrior Thorin's Hotub (for those that remember.)

Thanks for the support!

*brews fresh pot of coffee and passes a cup to WW*

I do have a question, Cormac. If you are the Pharaoh, shouldn't you be the Delegate, or is Tim holding to it in some specific quality? I know I'm no expert on Osiris political structure prior to whatever this is, but I thought it was the case. Am I that wrong?

[Not a Bang but a Whimper]

Statement from Westwind, Emeritus Rex and Co-Founder of Equilism/Vice Delegate of Christmas/TWPAF Co-Commander/Former Osiris Resident

Furthermore, I wish to obtain a freshly brewed cup of coffee from Elegarth, and a share of Eli's popcorn. Meanwhile, I'll be lounging in Warrior Thorin's Hotub (for those that remember.)

Thanks for the support!

*brews fresh pot of coffee and passes a cup to WW*

I do have a question, Cormac. If you are the Pharaoh, shouldn't you be the Delegate, or is Tim holding to it in some specific quality? I know I'm no expert on Osiris political structure prior to whatever this is, but I thought it was the case. Am I that wrong?

Basically Cormac's only platform was that he'd separate the Head of State and the delegacy. So I guess you could say he's true to his intentions.

[The Stalker]

My this is an interesting turn of events. The whole democracy / monarchy debate is very important one for the ruling of any NS community.

A good strong King can do more good than even the best democracies, but then again an evil King can do more damage than even the worst democracies.

That's the real question, is this a bad democracy being replaced by a good King? Or a good democracy being replaced by an evil King? I leave such judgments to those more invested than I.

[Cormactopia II]

I do have a question, Cormac. If you are the Pharaoh, shouldn't you be the Delegate, or is Tim holding to it in some specific quality? I know I'm no expert on Osiris political structure prior to whatever this is, but I thought it was the case. Am I that wrong?

Tim is currently serving as Delegate for practical reasons, i.e., that he has vastly more endorsements than I currently have, and quite a bit more influence. Normally, the Pharaoh would serve as Delegate, but in the event of a security threat the Vizier or a Guardian may be authorized to take the regional Delegacy to deal with that threat. That's what's happening here during this state of emergency. Eventually, when Osiris is stable and secure, as Pharaoh I will also assume the regional Delegacy.

I should note that I am succeeding Tim as Pharaoh because that was how he wanted it, not because I have some strong desire to serve as Pharaoh. Had Tim not had real life priorities that prevent him from further service as Pharaoh, he would still be Pharaoh, and I would either be his Vizier or continuing to assist him as a Guardian. This entire situation would still have unfolded pretty much exactly as it has, though, because this is not about making me Pharaoh out of some hunger for power, this is about dealing with a serious threat to the security of Osiris.

Basically Cormac's only platform was that he'd separate the Head of State and the delegacy. So I guess you could say he's true to his intentions.

You've got this wrong. What we seek to do is separate the Delegacy from the head of government. The Pharaoh would continue to serve as Delegate of Osiris and head of state. The community would elect a head of government -- we're going with Chief Scribe as a working title -- who would hold governmental power but would not serve as Delegate. This is similar to Balder's system, in which the Queen serves as Delegate and head of state, and the Statsminister serves as head of government.

What we're basically talking about here is constitutional monarchy, with extremely limited power for the Pharaoh as Delegate and head of state, and most governmental power vested in a new head of government office. This is part of why I find the claim that I'm in this due to hunger for power so amusing. Yes, I'm so hungry for power that I plan to devolve power back to democratic institutions as soon as the emergency situation ends. Damn me!