Statement from Chairman Funkadelia

[Todd McCloud]

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Who in this thread suggested TEP should mediate this conflict? Are we reading the same thread?

First we're accused of not being neutral because we ended a treaty. Now we're being asked to mediate? Ultimately, again, that is the digression of the delegate. I know that Poland (the region) has offered, but they've not been that much into gameplay until recently.

Also, ending a treaty = suddenly hating a region and choosing a side. As far as I know, TEP's only ended a treaty. They've not made any official declarations of "sides" in this conflict, other than the side of neutrality.

EDIT: corrected last sentence

[Ramaeus]

Again, if you believe that: Why would Lazarus ever want YOU to serve as a mediator?

Whatever made you think TEP was interested in mediating between the two parties, especially in light of our recent actions? 'Tis a fairly absurd accusation to make, Unibot.

[Funkadelia]

You just said earlier that the idea was closing a treaty with Lazarus would mean that it would seem as though TEP was now taking a more neutral position in the war... despite the fact you would still be maintaining a treaty with Osiris. Don't try to put words in my mouth, Todd. I'm not an idiot - this forum isn't visited by idiots. So stop insulting our intelligence. [/b]

Osiris has been respectful of our sovereignty and neutrality--Lazarus hasn't, as demonstrated by Funk asking for our support in this war.

We did ask for your support. Why would we do that?

Oh, right, we had a treaty with The East Pacific. Does it not sound unreasonable for a treaty ally for half a decade to ask her counterpart to take their side in a war?

You're being quite disingenuous, especially when I requested your support days before TEP's declaration of neutrality. At no other point did Lazarus attempt to reprimand TEP for taking that position and we had nothing but respect for TEP for their decision. Your ludicrous attempts at paining me as a couper are just what I described them as - ludicrous. We both know that I would be in no position, nor would have any political or gain of power by couping TEP, and that is not mentioning the moral issues I have with couping in principle. It was a joke in response to someone saying something along the lines of "Oh it's a Taijitu invasion" after many members of Taijitu decided to join the TEP IRC. What is pitiful about this is that this joke that was soured by a few Taijituans who took the affair too far somehow reflects upon the relations between TEP and Lazarus.

[Xoriet]

So Unibot...remind me when you became the spokesman of Lazarus? I've said it before and I'll say it again - if it involves TEP, you're going to snipe it. Your holier-than-thou outlook is little more than personal bias. Either become Lazarus' official representative to NS and have some legitimacy behind your words or stop trying to influence things your way by criminalizing TEP as much and as often as you get the opportunity to do publicly and privately.

TRR may not have taken a side, but it's obvious whose bed you've made yourself comfortable in, Unibot. And if we aren't with you, we are clearly against you in your view of the world. Shame that it really doesn't work that way in this case.

[Ramaeus]

We did ask for your support. Why would we do that?

Oh, right, we had a treaty with The East Pacific. Does it not sound unreasonable for a treaty ally for half a decade to ask her counterpart to take their side in a war?

Osiris was quite respectful of our neutrality, and didn't ask for our support.

You're being quite disingenuous, especially when I requested your support days before TEP's declaration of neutrality. At no other point did Lazarus attempt to reprimand TEP for taking that position and we had nothing but respect for TEP for their decision. Your ludicrous attempts at paining me as a couper are just what I described them as - ludicrous. We both know that I would be in no position, nor would have any political or gain of power by couping TEP, and that is not mentioning the moral issues I have with couping in principle. It was a joke in response to someone saying something along the lines of "Oh it's a Taijitu invasion" after many members of Taijitu decided to join the TEP IRC. What is pitiful about this is that this joke that was soured by a few Taijituans who took the affair too far somehow reflects upon the relations between TEP and Lazarus.

You were part of that IRC invasion, Funk, and one of its chief advocates. You later mocked us in our own IRC, and were later warned for your behavior. Delegates--especially GCR Delegates--represent their community, and we did not appreciate that type of representation in official TEP media.

[Funkadelia]

I was not one of its chief advocates. That, my friend, is a bold faced lie.

I joined on the urging of other Taijitu citizens, as a member of Taijitu.

I had nothing to do with any organization (or lack thereof) of the individuals joining the IRC channel. I did not mock you in your own IRC. I was warned for saying "We will free you of your oppression" or something to that effect, and was banned from the channel after discussing soil and tomatoes with St. Oz in your channel. I had nothing to do with any personal attacks on any TEP citizens in that channel, which is something that should not be allowed, and the bans in that regard for justified. My warn was an overreaction for a joke that is oft uttered in many IRC channels sarcastically, or part of a joke.

[Cormac A Stark]

Statement from the Osiris Fraternal Order
on Negotiations with the People's Republic of Lazarus

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The Osiris Fraternal Order emphasizes once again the legitimacy of our grievances against the People's Republic of Lazarus, detailed in the declaration of war that was signed by Pharaoh Cormac Somerset and ratified by the Deshret of Osiris. We further emphasize our firm resolve that the dictatorship established by the People's Republic of Lazarus must be replaced by a robust, democratic government, for peace between Lazarus and other regions as well as the benefit of Lazarene residents.

We must also note our displeasure at the way in which the People's Republic has conducted itself toward our ally, formerly our mutual ally, The East Pacific. The East Pacific remains a neutral third party in this conflict and we urge the People's Republic to, at long last, respect the sovereignty and neutrality of The East Pacific as we have consistently done since this war began.

Nonetheless, Osiris is a reasonable region. While we remain skeptical of the utility of negotiations between the Osiris Fraternal Order and the People's Republic, if the People's Republic is willing to come to the table in good faith we are willing to do the same.

We will agree to negotiations with the People's Republic under the following conditions:

1. Negotiations will be bilateral in nature and will not include any third party mediator. The issues between our regions are exclusively between our two regions and we believe that the only productive negotiations will be bilateral negotiations.
2. Negotiations will be conducted on an independent forum, of which former Pharaoh Severisen will serve as the non-participating root administrator and the two Delegates will serve as administrators. That forum is available here for those permitted to participate (see below).
3. Negotiations will involve the following participants: the Pharaoh of Osiris, the Scribe of Foreign Affairs of Osiris, the Chairman of Lazarus, and the Governor of Diplomacy of Lazarus.
4. Negotiations will remain private. Disclosure of the details of negotiations without authorization from both Delegates will result in the immediate termination of negotiations, nullification of any discussed agreement, and may preclude the possibility of future negotiations.

The Osiris Fraternal Order hopes that the People's Republic of Lazarus will be amenable to these terms of negotiation. We remain skeptical that negotiations will produce an end to war, but we are willing to engage in good faith with the People's Republic to see where negotiations may lead.

Pharaoh of the Osiris Fraternal Order

[Unibot III]

So Unibot...remind me when you became the spokesman of Lazarus? I've said it before and I'll say it again - if it involves TEP, you're going to snipe it. Your holier-than-thou outlook is little more than personal bias. Either become Lazarus' official representative to NS and have some legitimacy behind your words or stop trying to influence things your way by criminalizing TEP as much and as often as you get the opportunity to do publicly and privately.

TRR may not have taken a side, but it's obvious whose bed you've made yourself comfortable in, Unibot. And if we aren't with you, we are clearly against you in your view of the world. Shame that it really doesn't work that way in this case.

Lazarus is our oldest ally - TRR will stand behind its allies when people try to fuck them over. You can take your patronizing bullshit and fed-ex it to someone who cares. You dropped a treaty with our ally out of the blue while they were facing a crisis and have pretended you're superior to them and every other GCR.

TRR will make no false pretenses about this: we would not consider ourselves a good candidate to serve as mediator, we have already called out the Osiran government on several of their actions. However for TEP to continue this self-delusion that they're the only truly neutral party here is farcical when TEP has just ended relations with Lazarus and done everything it can to piss in Lazarus's cornflakes for the past week.

Trying to pretend as though the interregional backlash that TEP has been receiving is simply the "ravings" of a personal vendetta from me is growing tired and thin. It isn't a personal vendetta. It's the logical conclusion of TEP being a poor ally to Lazarus and acting petty and childish in diplomatic situations (e.g., refusing to attend the Regional Sovereignty Conference if you weren't hosts).

[Cormac A Stark]

acting petty and childish in diplomatic situations (e.g., refusing to attend the Regional Sovereignty Conference if you weren't hosts).

Says the man using phrases like "fuck them over," "patronizing bullshit," and "piss in Lazarus's cornflakes" -- not to mention making blatantly false statements -- while officially speaking for and diplomatically representing The Rejected Realms.

Of course that's nothing in comparison to the language you aim at your own citizens on IRC, so I suppose it's expected at this point.

Meet the new Unibot, same as the old Unibot.

[Rifty]

Well this was a hoot and a half to read.... Rather interested to see what goes down~

[Unibot III]

acting petty and childish in diplomatic situations (e.g., refusing to attend the Regional Sovereignty Conference if you weren't hosts).

Says the man using phrases like "fuck them over," "patronizing bullshit," and "piss in Lazarus's cornflakes" -- not to mention making blatantly false statements -- while officially speaking for and diplomatically representing The Rejected Realms.

Of course that's nothing in comparison to the language you aim at your own citizens on IRC, so I suppose it's expected at this point.

I prefer clear, economical language that says what I think. You try to screw over our allies, we will respond. It's a simple idea and I imagine that my point has been received and understood by you and (their) foreign delegation.

Meet the new Unibot, same as the old Unibot.

A limp, personal zinger in a post complaining about TRR's diplomacy. Excellent.

EDIT: With those fishmonger flags, thought the post was from Ramaeus not Cormac.

[McMasterdonia]

I would be willing to assist in the peace negotiations if that is amenable to both parties.

Edit: Just read Cormac's statement & I should really read the second page. Best of luck to Osiris and Lazarus in sorting this out, if I can be of any assistance, don't hesitate to contact me.

[Cormac A Stark]

I would be willing to assist in the peace negotiations if that is amenable to both parties.

Edit: Just read Cormac's statement & I should really read the second page. Best of luck to Osiris and Lazarus in sorting this out, if I can be of any assistance, don't hesitate to contact me.

Thank you for offering, nonetheless. Our primary concern is with not involving those who wish to remain neutral in this conflict, rather than any concern specifically related to you serving as mediator.

[Jakker]

So Unibot...remind me when you became the spokesman of Lazarus? I've said it before and I'll say it again - if it involves TEP, you're going to snipe it. Your holier-than-thou outlook is little more than personal bias. Either become Lazarus' official representative to NS and have some legitimacy behind your words or stop trying to influence things your way by criminalizing TEP as much and as often as you get the opportunity to do publicly and privately.

TRR may not have taken a side, but it's obvious whose bed you've made yourself comfortable in, Unibot. And if we aren't with you, we are clearly against you in your view of the world. Shame that it really doesn't work that way in this case.

No fair, Uni. I thought I was your favorite enemy. Now you go and cheat on me with TEP.

[Tano]

So Unibot...remind me when you became the spokesman of Lazarus? I've said it before and I'll say it again - if it involves TEP, you're going to snipe it. Your holier-than-thou outlook is little more than personal bias. Either become Lazarus' official representative to NS and have some legitimacy behind your words or stop trying to influence things your way by criminalizing TEP as much and as often as you get the opportunity to do publicly and privately.

TRR may not have taken a side, but it's obvious whose bed you've made yourself comfortable in, Unibot. And if we aren't with you, we are clearly against you in your view of the world. Shame that it really doesn't work that way in this case.

No fair, Uni. I thought I was your favorite enemy. Now you go and cheat on me with TEP.

In weird pseudo-defender Unibot world, being kicked out of a GCR because of political manipulation and calling people cunts is worse than the joyful destruction of regions and bathing in native tears.

It's not selfish: if he can't subvert regions to defenderism, how are you supposed to stop them raiders?

[Lord Nuke Is So Kewl]

So, what is the point of these GCR wars? These have got to be the single most pointless and stupid wars I've ever seen. I expected ejections, and delegate overthrows maybe even forums getting nuked, but, all i see is a bunch of hot heads pretending to be politicians. In a few weeks this will all go back to normal, and the status quo will be back to normal. Pointless.

[Tano]

So, what is the point of these GCR wars? These have got to be the single most pointless and stupid wars I've ever seen. I expected ejections, and delegate overthrows maybe even forums getting nuked, but, all i see is a bunch of hot heads pretending to be politicians. In a few weeks this will all go back to normal, and the status quo will be back to normal. Pointless.

No fucking shit.

[Unibot III]

No fair, Uni. I thought I was your favorite enemy. Now you go and cheat on me with TEP.

In weird pseudo-defender Unibot world, being kicked out of a GCR because of political manipulation and calling people cunts is worse than the joyful destruction of regions and bathing in native tears.

It's not selfish: if he can't subvert regions to defenderism, how are you supposed to stop them raiders?

You're once again assuming that my opinion on TEP's present conduct has anything to do with "Unibot v. TEP" or whatever - it doesn't. TEP's conduct abroad here in this current political climate has been abominable - not once have you thought it might a good idea to tone down the self-promotion. Go on and accuse me of being a biased git all you like - that doesn't change the stance that TEP has taken during this war.

[Lord Nuke Is So Kewl]

So, what is the point of these GCR wars? These have got to be the single most pointless and stupid wars I've ever seen. I expected ejections, and delegate overthrows maybe even forums getting nuked, but, all i see is a bunch of hot heads pretending to be politicians. In a few weeks this will all go back to normal, and the status quo will be back to normal. Pointless.

No fucking shit.

I'm glad we can agree on things.

[Todd McCloud]

So, what is the point of these GCR wars? These have got to be the single most pointless and stupid wars I've ever seen. I expected ejections, and delegate overthrows maybe even forums getting nuked, but, all i see is a bunch of hot heads pretending to be politicians. In a few weeks this will all go back to normal, and the status quo will be back to normal. Pointless.

You are wise beyond your years... er, post count

[Lord Nuke Is So Kewl]

So, what is the point of these GCR wars? These have got to be the single most pointless and stupid wars I've ever seen. I expected ejections, and delegate overthrows maybe even forums getting nuked, but, all i see is a bunch of hot heads pretending to be politicians. In a few weeks this will all go back to normal, and the status quo will be back to normal. Pointless.

You are wise beyond your years... er, post count

I've been here a long time, so yes I am a bit wise.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

So, what is the point of these GCR wars? These have got to be the single most pointless and stupid wars I've ever seen. I expected ejections, and delegate overthrows maybe even forums getting nuked, but, all i see is a bunch of hot heads pretending to be politicians. In a few weeks this will all go back to normal, and the status quo will be back to normal. Pointless.

You are wise beyond your years... er, post count

Since when did high post counts correlate with wisdom?

[Lord Nuke Is So Kewl]

You are wise beyond your years... er, post count

Since when did high post counts correlate with wisdom?

Since the NS elite determined it.

[Blood Wine]

Let's see the defender politic bingo card:

ego inflation:check
pretending to be morally good:check
painting the enemy as evulz:check
misrepresenting the facts:check
people want to remain neutral,but still are dragged into the conflict:check
Unibot commending something:check
no attack attacks or defends in actual gameplay:check
NS elitism:check

Lots of fish:....check?

Yup,I got a big bingo

[Armored Horse]

So aside from a couple random statements being posted on the forums, what is the impact of the war?
I haven't seen anything...