Osiris Fraternal Order

[Ikania]

Wait, so the embassies are being cancelled because if they're not with us they're against us?

*Bushism intensifies*

[Glen-Rhodes]

Characterizing the part of the conference where attendees are going to be taking about this war in relation to regional sovereignty as "war strategy", makes me question where exactly Osiris heard about it. The schedule sent to prospective attendees said nothing about war strategy. Let's just make that clear, here.

[South Pacific Belschaft]

Characterizing the part of the conference where attendees are going to be taking about this war in relation to regional sovereignty as "war strategy", makes me question where exactly Osiris heard about it. The schedule sent to prospective attendees said nothing about war strategy. Let's just make that clear, here.

It also said nothing about regional sovereignty, the supposed purpose of the conference. Instead more than half of the conference is dedicated to discussing the war.

[Cormac A Stark]

Characterizing the part of the conference where attendees are going to be taking about this war in relation to regional sovereignty as "war strategy", makes me question where exactly Osiris heard about it. The schedule sent to prospective attendees said nothing about war strategy. Let's just make that clear, here.

Given that the Lazarene dictatorship has already altered the conference agenda without consulting the other attendees to accommodate their need to drum up support against us, I don't think it's a stretch to assume that the first half of the conference will be self-serving. There's no question that they're strategically using the conference to build support for their regime.

[Karpathos]

Characterizing the part of the conference where attendees are going to be taking about this war in relation to regional sovereignty as "war strategy", makes me question where exactly Osiris heard about it. The schedule sent to prospective attendees said nothing about war strategy. Let's just make that clear, here.

Given that the Lazarene dictatorship has already altered the conference agenda without consulting the other attendees to accommodate their need to drum up support against us, I don't think it's a stretch to assume that the first half of the conference will be self-serving. There's no question that they're strategically using the conference to build support for their regime.

Almost like starting a war, right?

[Cormac A Stark]

Given that the Lazarene dictatorship has already altered the conference agenda without consulting the other attendees to accommodate their need to drum up support against us, I don't think it's a stretch to assume that the first half of the conference will be self-serving. There's no question that they're strategically using the conference to build support for their regime.

Almost like starting a war, right?

Yes, you did start a war as well. Thank you for pointing that out.

[Kazmr]

Since I was somewhat involved in reviewing the welcome statement and helped draft a bit of it, I think I can speak somewhat to Cormac's quibbles.

The first three days in the conference have nothing to do with "war planning" of any kind. That's, frankly, somewhat of a paranoid response unless you were terribly misinformed about what's actually going on. We are well aware that a number of attendees have no wish to enter the war, so what would be the point of alienating them right off the bat?

The actual topic of discussion is discussion how the war relates to regional sovereignty; Lazarus' opinion is stated in the welcome statement drafted by our Chairman and Vice-Chairman, but given that we are the host region it seems fairly expected that we would make our view clear. A few questions are posed initially to attendees to get conversation rolling, including what they believe are the causes of the conflict among others, but in no way is this intended as some sort of strategy session. The attending regions, many of whom we have no previous treaties with and who intend to stay neutral, should make that patently clear.

Of course, for a region posing to respect neutrality, closing the embassy of anyone who even choses to interact with Lazarus is a great step to take After all, the definition of neutrality is only being allowed to interact with one side, right?

[V I Lenin]

Would any reasonable person deny that the War is something that should be subject of an international conference on regional sovereignty, I think it strains credibility to deny that a topic such as this should not be considered.

[Darkesia]

Seriously, Cormac? You banned me from your region that I couldn't possibly enter anyway? You shut down cross posting abilities because you didn't like what I said? You suppressed my post?

ummm.... Let m go back and read that war declaration again. Wasn't that exactly what someone was just insisting was the "real"reason for the war? Wasn't it just pointed out to me that I was terribly wrong to say that this war was a personal vendetta between Karp and Cormac and that it was because Laz was banning, expelling and suppressing dissent?

Wait... I'm confused.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Characterizing the part of the conference where attendees are going to be taking about this war in relation to regional sovereignty as "war strategy", makes me question where exactly Osiris heard about it. The schedule sent to prospective attendees said nothing about war strategy. Let's just make that clear, here.

It also said nothing about regional sovereignty, the supposed purpose of the conference. Instead more than half of the conference is dedicated to discussing the war.

Actually, it did. In the very schedule item itself: "September 1-3: The topic of the war between The People's Republic of Lazarus and The Osiris Fraternal Order. This may seem like a lot of time, but it is all about how this war directly correlates with the idea of regional sovereignty, which is the main topic that Lazarus is centering on during this conference."

[Cormac A Stark]

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You don't have rights in Osiris, Darkesia, you're the Delegate of The West Pacific (unfortunately), posting from TWP.

I banned you so that I could turn on cross-posting for Founders and Delegates without your propaganda on our RMB. You lost any legitimate purpose for posting on our RMB when the embassy was closed, but unfortunately we have to wait three days.

[Unibot III]

I don't see how the initial discussion has involved "war planning" at all. We've been discussing global peace and protecting sovereignty from future crises. *shrugs* The Osiran-Lazarene war is very relevant to the topic of regional sovereignty.

[Pierconium]

It also said nothing about regional sovereignty, the supposed purpose of the conference. Instead more than half of the conference is dedicated to discussing the war.

Actually, it did. In the very schedule item itself: "September 1-3: The topic of the war between The People's Republic of Lazarus and The Osiris Fraternal Order. This may seem like a lot of time, but it is all about how this war directly correlates with the idea of regional sovereignty, which is the main topic that Lazarus is centering on during this conference."

To briefly follow up on this point, since a specific quote has been included, the agenda currently on record within the conference lists the 'war' as one of five topics up for discussion from 1-3 September. It is not the only topic up for discussion.

That said, it is common for conferences to have a specific background theme, often formulated by the host society/body. Since Lazarus is the host region, it seems perfectly reasonable that they would consider the initial plenary session as being within their specific purview.

[All Good People]

<snip>

You don't have rights in Osiris, Darkesia, you're the Delegate of The West Pacific (unfortunately), posting from TWP.

I banned you so that I could turn on cross-posting for Founders and Delegates without your propaganda on our RMB. You lost any legitimate purpose for posting on our RMB when the embassy was closed, but unfortunately we have to wait three days.

An insult to the TWP Delegate is an insult to all of TWP. I will not forget your actions.

It's not a good idea to cut off relations with friendly regions. It serves nothing to your aims in regards to Lazarus or the Conference, but rather further isolates Osiris. Which is sad. But is done by your own hand....your own actions.

Have your war if you want. Sabre rattle against Laz and the Conference. Have fun with it. But TWP will not be dragged into it, nor bullied into making policy decisions based on the wishes of the Osiris Delegate.

[Emrys Mercer]

Statement from Augustus, King of Ainur

I find it slightly perplexing that Osiris should take such a combative attitude towards friendly neutral regions who wish to exercise their rights to attend an inter-regional summit. Surely it is beyond belief that Lazarus will engage in actual war planning at the summit proper, unless Lazarus is in the habit of conducting sensitive discussions in the open-air where any Osiris-friendly person can simply drop in and take a look.

Osiris should have a bit of faith in the neutral regions, many of whom have gone out of their way to avoid the Osiris-Lazarus conflict for fear of being dragged into it. To presume that neutrals who wish to attend this conference in Lazarus thereby become closet-Lazarenes in need of punishment is not only offensive to those regions like Ainur which have long-standing ties with Osiris but also casts a shadow over the good relations that we enjoy.

I hope Osiris reconsiders its frankly reckless policy of casting aspersions about neutral regions before it drives too many of the friendly ones away from its cause.


P.S. Does anyone else see the irony in Osiris attempting to cajole neutral regions into not attending a summit on regional sovereignty?

[The Church of Satan]

Trying to strong arm neutral regions into picking a side is in very bad taste. Then again, Osiris is in no position to make such threats as it is the weakest among the GCRs at this time. So really you're just, once again, doing more harm to Osiris than good. Maybe you should re-evaluate your agenda.

[Todd McCloud]

Yikes.

I was going to look into this regional sovreignty conference just to poke around and offer up suggestions to maintain GCR sovreignty (should they want suggestions), but if it means blowing things out of proportions and possibly harming TEP, well, it just doesn't seem feasible to me.

Kind of not happy with both sides at this point. Not happy that the regional sovreinty conference is (apparently) in-part about anti-Osiris stuff, and definitely not happy that attending this conference could permanently damage relations with a GCR.

[Sovreignry]

Yikes.

I was going to look into this regional sovreignty conference just to poke around and offer up suggestions to maintain GCR sovreignty (should they want suggestions), but if it means blowing things out of proportions and possibly harming TEP, well, it just doesn't seem feasible to me.

Kind of not happy with both sides at this point. Not happy that the regional sovreinty conference is (apparently) in-part about anti-Osiris stuff, and definitely not happy that attending this conference could permanently damage relations with a GCR.

It seems like you've already chosen sides if you're buying Cormac's line about the conference being totally about anti-Osiris stuff.

[Todd McCloud]

It seems like you've already chosen sides if you're buying Cormac's line about the conference being totally about anti-Osiris stuff.

Didn't say totally. I said "in-part". Unless this is totally wrong.

[Captain Apollo]

Yikes.

Kind of not happy with both sides at this point. Not happy that the regional sovreinty conference is (apparently) in-part about anti-Osiris stuff, and definitely not happy that attending this conference could permanently damage relations with a GCR.

I think if you looked at the questions posed and the discussions being had in the conference that it isn't anti-osiris. I'd characterize it so far as pro-interregional treaties/agreements and cooperation.

[Crossbones Sally]

Although I don't think trying to strong-arm people out of the sovereignty conference is a good idea, I understand where Cormac is coming from.

I think his concern, is that Lazarus put the Laz-Osi war on the agenda of a conference where there are parties that do not want to take part in the war at all. Yes, it may not be about strategy, and yes, it is a big topic for the sovereignty conference, However in a conference with uninvolved parties, where the host is one of the combatants in the war, it really does look like Lazarus is trying to push their own agenda and involve regions that don't want anything to do with the war.

[Funkadelia]

Characterizing the part of the conference where attendees are going to be taking about this war in relation to regional sovereignty as "war strategy", makes me question where exactly Osiris heard about it. The schedule sent to prospective attendees said nothing about war strategy. Let's just make that clear, here.

It also said nothing about regional sovereignty, the supposed purpose of the conference. Instead more than half of the conference is dedicated to discussing the war.

Three out of seven days is not more than half. Try counting on your fingers next time.

You didn't even get the telegram. I don't see how you would have any idea what you're talking about.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Random idea - why doesn't the Lazarene Government didn't or doesn't just do one conference for the originally planned regional sovereignty stuff, and another conference for the Osirian war, so those regions that want to attend in good faith don't wind up having issues?

[Todd McCloud]

Random idea - why doesn't the Lazarene Government didn't or doesn't just do one conference for the originally planned regional sovereignty stuff, and another conference for the Osirian war, so those regions that want to attend in good faith don't wind up having issues?

That'd be a good option, IMO

[The Grim Reaper]

Alienating the Oldguardsphere is a really bad choice.