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Postby Trecdom2 » Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:42 pm

I wish. I'm talking about diverting/damning rivers etc.
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Postby Unibot » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:23 pm

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Trecdom2 wrote:Could we physically prevent water from reaching our enemies and not violate the resolution?


You mean like stopping it from raining? Not only should that not violate this resolution, but it should make you very valuable to the professional wedding circuit.

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"He probably meant a microwave emitter like the one that Heir Industries sells, ahem, a bargain if I must say so for myself, it uses a focused microwave transmission which is indeed, quite versatile, its preferred usage is in desert warfare to vaporize the enemy's water supply." Eduard paused and then inevitably continued... "Wait, who was talking about weddings? Heir Industries is contracting weddings now too, we even have a limited-time offer for a seventh marriage free, and an emergency divorce legal services that will greet the newlyweds right after their honeymoon -- which is of course a part of the deluxe package. Many couples these days just want to get it over and done with so the basic package just includes a wedding reception, wedding and immediate divorce. Our services are fairly quick too, settlements usual takes between twelve to fifteen minutes depending upon your nation's divorce and torture laws, and if the spouse (the one who pays less than the other) has difficulty responding to electroshock. We're so quick that we can usually save the left-over cake, booze and hired actors for any other weddings that we have to conduct that night, *cough* week, month or year.. which means a fee-reduction for the newlyweds!"

Eduard looked around, "Ah, I suppose I'm a little off-topic, eh? Yeah, Access to Clean Water sounds fine I suppose. Access to clean water will be public, namely the waterparks we have for children, I mean, you could always stick your mouth into one of the sprinklers, however, to drink any water will cost my lower employees two day's wages. "

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Postby American Capitalist » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:42 pm

Unibot wrote:
Krioval wrote:
Trecdom2 wrote:Could we physically prevent water from reaching our enemies and not violate the resolution?


You mean like stopping it from raining? Not only should that not violate this resolution, but it should make you very valuable to the professional wedding circuit.

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"He probably meant a microwave emitter like the one that Heir Industries sells, ahem, a bargain if I must say so for myself, it uses a focused microwave transmission which is indeed, quite versatile, its preferred usage is in desert warfare to vaporize the enemy's water supply." Eduard paused and then inevitably continued... "Wait, who was talking about weddings? Heir Industries is contracting weddings now too, we even have a limited-time offer for a seventh marriage free, and an emergency divorce legal services that will greet the newlyweds right after their honeymoon -- which is of course a part of the deluxe package. Many couples these days just want to get it over and done with so the basic package just includes a wedding reception, wedding and immediate divorce. Our services are fairly quick too, settlements usual takes between twelve to fifteen minutes depending upon your nation's divorce and torture laws, and if the spouse (the one who pays less than the other) has difficulty responding to electroshock. We're so quick that we can usually save the left-over cake, booze and hired actors for any other weddings that we have to conduct that night, *cough* week, month or year.. which means a fee-reduction for the newlyweds!"

Eduard looked around, "Ah, I suppose I'm a little off-topic, eh? Yeah, Access to Clean Water sounds fine I suppose. Access to clean water will be public, namely the waterparks we have for children, I mean, you could always stick your mouth into one of the sprinklers, however, to drink any water will cost my lower employees two day's wages. "

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Postby Zarquon Froods » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:49 pm

1) The intentional contamination of any water supply that may conceivably serve civilians is prohibited, for purposes military or otherwise, without exception.


Oh, and since I didn't see anything else in this proposal about water purifying chemicals, I take this to mean that their use is banned by this document since they technically contaminate water.
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Postby Unibot » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:56 pm

Zarquon Froods wrote:
1) The intentional contamination of any water supply that may conceivably serve civilians is prohibited, for purposes military or otherwise, without exception.


Oh, and since I didn't see anything else in this proposal about water purifying chemicals, I take this to mean that their use is banned by this document since they technically contaminate water.


"But is the intention of water purification to contaminate or purify? I'd say the latter, in.. errr.. most cases." Eduard commented.

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Postby Lock Arbor » Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:00 pm

Just for Clarification, how should a nation keep track of every single citizens water supply. Taking in account the varies ways to get water from varies locations.

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Postby TailsPrower » Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:49 am

how is this Social Justice??? TailsPrower feels this has nothing to do with Social affairs :/ and seems too expensive :|
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Postby Toraston » Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:14 am

TailsPrower wrote:how is this Social Justice??? TailsPrower feels this has nothing to do with Social affairs :/ and seems too expensive :|


It does have something to do with social affairs and society, as we need to reduce the social effect of dirty water.
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Postby Ddreigiau » Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:27 am

While we value the concept of providing clean water to all citizens, Ddreigiau refuses to adhere to the guidlines set forth in this proposal. This proposal is simply too restrictive and too loosely worded for us to accept. While we will not withdraw from the WA, we have seriously considered it.
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Postby Flibbleites » Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:29 am

TailsPrower wrote:how is this Social Justice??? TailsPrower feels this has nothing to do with Social affairs :/ and seems too expensive :|

Your answer can be found right here, "A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare." Surely you'd agree that insuring that people have save water to drink increases theit basic welfare.

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Flibbleites wrote:
TailsPrower wrote:how is this Social Justice??? TailsPrower feels this has nothing to do with Social affairs :/ and seems too expensive :|

Your answer can be found right here, "A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare." Surely you'd agree that insuring that people have save water to drink increases theit basic welfare.

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Postby Lock Arbor » Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:15 am

Lock Arbor wrote:Just for Clarification, how should a nation keep track of every single citizens water supply. Taking in account the varies ways to get water from varies locations.


No ones answered my question yet, and until i get some clarification on this what appears to be an ignored
issue I am voting no and encouraging my WA delegate to do the same.

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Postby Zarquon Froods » Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:26 pm

Unibot wrote:
Zarquon Froods wrote:
1) The intentional contamination of any water supply that may conceivably serve civilians is prohibited, for purposes military or otherwise, without exception.


Oh, and since I didn't see anything else in this proposal about water purifying chemicals, I take this to mean that their use is banned by this document since they technically contaminate water.


"But is the intention of water purification to contaminate or purify? I'd say the latter, in.. errr.. most cases." Eduard commented.


" The intentional contamination of any water supply that may conceivably serve civilians is prohibited, for purposes military or otherwise, without exception." Anything added to water can be considered a contaminant even if it is a purifier.

Then it goes on to say "4) Each nation may determine the following for itself, provided all other provisions of this act are met: ii) Processes and chemicals used for purification of water, iii) Usage of chemical additives for public health," This is why I don't like this proposal. I am for sovereignty, but if you're going to allow nations to set their own standards for what chemicals and practices they use on their water, what is the point of this proposal?

If it is to put an end to using chemical or biological agents in an enemy water supply, then that's what its focus needs to be. This goes from contaminating water during war to mandating a quota of potable water to citizens. Both do not need to be in the same document.
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Postby Rankadonia » Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:07 pm

Looks like its going through. I support this act for many reasons. Water is vital for human survival, and the contamination of water supply for military puropses is just plain WRONG and should be stopped. Though ive found holes in the act, like many WA proposals, i voted in favor.
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Postby United Carbonia » Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:55 pm

This resolution has proven to be nothing but a waste of my nations tax dollars thus far. By doing such, you have taken money from people who may have been using it to buy water and other things they needed in order to fund this 'free hand-out' system for the world.

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Postby Kington Langley » Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:36 am

United Carbonia wrote:This resolution has proven to be nothing but a waste of my nations tax dollars thus far. By doing such, you have taken money from people who may have been using it to buy water and other things they needed in order to fund this 'free hand-out' system for the world.


I agree, my economy rating has dropped from Powerhouse to Very Strong and my tax rate has risen to 100%!!! This act must be repealed to protect national economies
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Postby Blauckistan » Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:02 am

Kington Langley wrote:
United Carbonia wrote:This resolution has proven to be nothing but a waste of my nations tax dollars thus far. By doing such, you have taken money from people who may have been using it to buy water and other things they needed in order to fund this 'free hand-out' system for the world.


I agree, my economy rating has dropped from Powerhouse to Very Strong and my tax rate has risen to 100%!!! This act must be repealed to protect national economies

I'll second that if you write up the repeal......too bad I'm not a Regional Delegate - it would be through for a vote ASAP if I was

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Postby Kington Langley » Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:47 am

Blauckistan wrote:
Kington Langley wrote:
United Carbonia wrote:This resolution has proven to be nothing but a waste of my nations tax dollars thus far. By doing such, you have taken money from people who may have been using it to buy water and other things they needed in order to fund this 'free hand-out' system for the world.


I agree, my economy rating has dropped from Powerhouse to Very Strong and my tax rate has risen to 100%!!! This act must be repealed to protect national economies

I'll second that if you write up the repeal......too bad I'm not a Regional Delegate - it would be through for a vote ASAP if I was


Proposal for repeal submitted, probably not a very good one. But a proposal nonetheless
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Postby Toraston » Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:10 am

I am glad that this has passed
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Postby Embolalia » Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:14 am

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Clean Water Act Passes
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With a total tally of 4,117 votes to 1,556, the Clean Water Act passed in the World Assembly and became law this morning. The resolution, authored by Embolalian WA ambassador Gwaredd LLwyd, replaces an earlier resolution authored by the delegation from Pan Master that was repealed last June. The resolution requires member states to provide their citizens with enough potable water for their "healthy survival", establishes a bureau to dictate minimum standards of water quality, and prohibits the intentional contamination of water supplies.

The resolution is being seen as a possible redemption for Ambassador LLwyd, who had been widely criticized for his behavior in the Assembly during the debate on the proposal. LLwyd had been recalled to Caridd earlier in the week to answer for his behavior to Minister of Foreign Affairs Hai Resal. Sources close to Minister Resal say the passage of this act may be enough for LLwyd to keep his job. Sources also say that the Ministry hopes the passage of this act will help secure Embolalia the IDU Delegate position for another term, though this has not been confirmed.

The full text of the resolution can be found on the EBC website (http://news.ebc.emb/resources/802236), or at the World Assembly website (http://ga.wa/resolutions/107).


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Postby Kington Langley » Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:13 pm

This act makes the whole thing implausable from the start. Countries that had their own clean water programs will be unable to even carry out this universal program as this act significantly decreases the economies of all WA member nations. This act should be changed so that it helps clean water projects already in position, this seems to work better as nations are guided in the right direction but still have enough money to maintain the project. As soon as the Kingtonian economy recovers or this act is repealed, our government has promised the nation complete withdrawal from the WA. Ona final note we find it wrong for a nation to put other WA economies at risk simply to maintain a delegatory position as quoted from the nation who actually thought up the act...

Embolalia wrote:Minister Resal say the passage of this act may be enough for LLwyd to keep his job. Sources also say that the Ministry hopes the passage of this act will help secure Embolalia the IDU Delegate position for another term


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Postby Embolalia » Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:23 pm

Kington Langley wrote:This act makes the whole thing implausable from the start. Countries that had their own clean water programs will be unable to even carry out this universal program as this act significantly decreases the economies of all WA member nations. This act should be changed so that it helps clean water projects already in position, this seems to work better as nations are guided in the right direction but still have enough money to maintain the project. As soon as the Kingtonian economy recovers or this act is repealed, our government has promised the nation complete withdrawal from the WA. Ona final note we find it wrong for a nation to put other WA economies at risk simply to maintain a delegatory position as quoted from the nation who actually thought up the act...

Embolalia wrote:Minister Resal say the passage of this act may be enough for LLwyd to keep his job. Sources also say that the Ministry hopes the passage of this act will help secure Embolalia the IDU Delegate position for another term

Neither the Ministry of Foreign Affairs nor my office has made such claims on an official basis. The EBC article from which you quote made use of an anonymous source within the ministry, and not official ministry positions. (OOC: It is important to realize that, while I play both, the EBC is a separate entity from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs)
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Your contentions against this act do not hold water. Were it not for the fact that I am already speaking to clarify remarks made by the EBC, I would not contest them. However:
1)How is it that a country that already has a clean water program would suddenly be unable to do it? This act simply requires them to do what they were already doing. Your proposed amendment (which I assume you know can not be made) would not change anything.
2)The effects of this resolution on member economies are being greatly and outlandishly exaggerated. Your economy is not going to collapse from giving people clean water. Internet Tough Guy claims aside, it is quite difficult to maintain an economy when your people are dying from dehydration and dysentery.
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