[PASSED] Repeal "Commend Hobbesistan"

[Funkadelia]

So if someone literally copy and pasted my draft and did it themselves it would be okay? That doesn't make any sense at all. You all drastically overestimate my relationship with Hobbes.

Not really. One of the biggest reasons for commending him came crashing down because of your regime.

One could only argue that one clause was changed by my actions. It still doesn't make it false and it still doesn't discount the rest of the draft resolution.

[Ikania]

Not really. One of the biggest reasons for commending him came crashing down because of your regime.

One could only argue that one clause was changed by my actions. It still doesn't make it false and it still doesn't discount the rest of the draft resolution.

Which I have already addressed.

[Shizensky]

Not really. One of the biggest reasons for commending him came crashing down because of your regime.

This sounds like excellent support of the commendation being weak if cut ties to a single region is enough to bring the whole thing "crashing down".

[Ikania]

Not really. One of the biggest reasons for commending him came crashing down because of your regime.

This sounds like excellent support of the commendation being weak if cut ties to a single region is enough to bring the whole thing "crashing down".

I said one of the biggest. Not the biggest.

And regardless, Hobbes deserves a commendation, and if this was repealed there'd be no chance of a better one.

[Shizensky]

Eh, fair enough. I don't have anything invested in this situation either way it swings, I just felt that your argument did more to prove the point you're fighting against than anything.

Y'all have fun, now.

[Vaculatestar64]

Considering that RadioNS and the Lazarene Stock Exchange existed for a short period of time, and are now defunct, and have had no lasting impact on the world whatsoever;

By that standard New Texas' commendation should be repealed. I assume you won't try to though since you don't have a grudge against him.

Also Hobbes' and Elu's approx scripts are completely different and Hobbes' is public whereas Elu's is locked up tight in FriarTuck.

[Funkadelia]

Considering that RadioNS and the Lazarene Stock Exchange existed for a short period of time, and are now defunct, and have had no lasting impact on the world whatsoever;

By that standard New Texas' commendation should be repealed. I assume you won't try to though since you don't have a grudge against him.

Also Hobbes' and Elu's approx scripts are completely different and Hobbes' is public whereas Elu's is locked up tight in FriarTuck.

I had kind of expected the echo chamber clan to show up in this thread.

NewTexas has had a distinct and long lasting effect on nationstates whereas RadioNS and Lazarene Exchange lasted a very short period of time (a few months) and have had no impact on the course of events for NS or for Lazarus.

[Unibot III]

Approx was originally based on my perl script for approxing update times. Every update script has followed the same logic - assigning an update time rate and multiplying it in series of each region, population by population. FriarTuck's big innovation was the ability to automatically calibrate itself for the most recent update speed rate. Hobbes's script was just copying the same method as FriarTuck's.

EDIT: To clairfy I'm fine with Elu getting credit for it all. FT was the script that mass produced the technology and made it accessible and easy. It was the Windows of Update Analysis. All I did was figure out how you could use the logic of daily dumps to create an estimate and made a pretty shoddy perl script that's been replicated since in some fashion. But Hobbes tagging onto that glory is a bit silly.

[Hobbesistan]

Hobbes's script was just copying the same method as FriarTuck's.

I don't mind that much to comment on the repeal, whatever happens happens, but I will say that my script does *not* use the same method of FriarTucks, if you read the publicly released code you'd see this.

[Redsward]

For. If any SC resolution contains lies, then it shouldn't be around.

[Blood Wine]

I do think that the Commendation is weak and generally waters down the point of a Commendation.

You mean like XKI and their ""ZOMG FIRST!" commendation?

[Toronina]

For, I guess...

[Applebania]

Against.

[RiderSyl]

I had kind of expected the echo chamber clan to show up in this thread.

When you say things like this, it really does make your repeal look like nothing more than a hissy fit about people you don't like anymore.

[Funkadelia]

I had kind of expected the echo chamber clan to show up in this thread.

When you say things like this, it really does make your repeal look like nothing more than a hissy fit about people you don't like anymore.

It's the only thing I really have left to say to a group of people who are demanding that I prove a negative without cessation, which obviously is a logical fallacy.

[Blood Wine]

When you say things like this, it really does make your repeal look like nothing more than a hissy fit about people you don't like anymore.

It's the only thing I really have left to say to a group of people who are demanding that I prove a negative without cessation, which obviously is a logical fallacy.

Question:did you sell your soul and decent manners for those fancy words?

[Abacathea]

So I suppose it was inevitable I would weight in here. Especially when the server monkeys informed me something of mine was being attacked. Been a while since I had to defend a piece. I will clarify this, seeing as I don't know the current history between funk and hobbes, I really can't comment on the significance of this in the same light as others have. In that respect, I can give what I consider a reasonably unbiased opinion.

Regretting that Security Council Resolution #143 was passed despite the achievements of the commended nation in the resolution being inconsequential or false;

Inconsequential is subjective. False, thats a good way to piss me off. Watch where you tread funk. I've never lied in my work. Polished words maybe, lied, that's different and I won't have it said.

Noting that all regions highlighted within resolution SC #143 have been subject to invading forces on multiple occasions since the decree's passing, rendering the ultimate consequence of these regions on the world as collectively negligible, and further withdrawing from the arguments presented in the resolution;

Further noting that the region of Khora collapsed shortly after the assistance of hobbesistan, and is frequently invaded by warfaring organizations;

Understanding that hobbesistan no longer has any relation to Lazarus, and Lazarus now has new forums unrelated to the nation;

That's very cute, and yet irrelevant. Just because circumstances change doesn't null and void anything. If imagey nation stopped doing what they do best, would that undo everything they'd done up until now? No.

Considering that RadioNS and the Lazarene Stock Exchange existed for a short period of time, and are now defunct, and have had no lasting impact on the world whatsoever;

Subjective.

Shocked that hobbesistan was given credit for developing the "approx" script, when the script was actually developed by the nation of Eluvatar at a far earlier time;

Bollox to that, Elu developed a approx script. Hobbes developed a different one, and widely distributed his. Elu did not.

Concluding that hobbesistan's contributions to the world are on the whole irrelevant or inconsequential, while good intentioned, and that one clause of the commending resolution is completely false;

Hereby Repeals SC #143, Commend Hobbesistan.

Co-Authored by Feux.

I'm actually rather pissed about this whole thing, and the fact feux got in on it as well pisses me off further. Not one of the two of you came near me and even considered asking me if I agreed with you on this, and I'd like to think I'm among one of the most palatable authors on here. Instead you both happily claim I lie and fill this full of subjective nonsense. To say I'm annoyed is an understatement, not because it's being repealed, but because of how it's being repealed. It's just plain insulting.

Do what you must, I'm not going to fight this. This is exactly the kind of crap that pushed me away from the SC some time ago.

[Funkadelia]

By your measurements, the entire nature of the Security Council is subjective.

The entire commendation proposal was based off of a few months of work, that as Benevolent Thomas said were yet untested to last the test of time, which they have not. According to you that is subjective.

False is distinct from lying. False could indicate a lie, but could also indicate a mistake. If I had thought you were a liar I would have called you a liar.

As for the "approx" line, if you had clarified that he came up with an approx script, that would have been different and probably have given the repeal less of a leg to stand on, from a strict sense. However, it simply states "the approx script," which Eluvatar designed before, and called it approx.

As for asking for your agreement, I apologize if that is some sort of convention they take on here in the Security Council. Apparently there are a lot of unwritten and unspoken traditions to the SC, so to speak. So if I have broken some Security Council convention then I apologize for that.

I never intended for the repeal to label you as a poor author. I like your other work. I just think that this one is particularly weak.

EDIT: Mistakes were made.

[Demongate]

The only way to know what Abacathea thinks is and isn't subjective is by being him yourself. While you are following a pattern, patterns don't always hold true. Subjectivity is also a sliding scale. Things can be slightly subjective, moderately subjective, and mostly subjective. From what I have picked up, it appears that he thinks that your resolution is mostly subjective - if your assumption is correct, that he may think all of the SC is subjective, it is quite possible that he thinks it is lower on the sliding scale.
That being said, I do not support this, since, well, the reasons others have said.
I share similar views, it seems.

[Abacathea]

By your measurements, the entire nature of the Security Council is subjective.

The entire commendation proposal was based off of a few months of work, that as Benevolent Thomas said were yet untested to last the test of time, which they have not. According to you that is subjective.

False is distinct from lying. False could indicate a lie, but could also indicate a mistake. If I had thought you were a liar I would have called you a liar.

As for the "approx" line, if you had clarified that he came up with an approx script, that would have been different and probably have given the repeal less of a leg to stand on, from a strict sense. However, it simply states "the approx script," which Eluvatar designed before, and called it approx.

As for asking for your agreement, I apologize if that is some sort of convention they take on here in the Security Council. Apparently there are a lot of unwritten and unspoken traditions to the SC, so to speak. So if I have broken some Security Council convention then I apologize for that.

I never intended for the repeal to label you as a poor author. I like your other work. I just think that this one is particularly weak.

EDIT: Mistakes were made.

My apologies Funk, I'm not always known for being level headed at the off, we're good I promise, you know I like feux and you.. I don't intend to fight this, I just don't agree with the sentiment. I believe that's the fairest approach here.

Edit: - No there's no convention on contacting an author for repealing their works. I just thought you would

[Abacathea]

And regardless, Hobbes deserves a commendation, and if this was repealed there'd be no chance of a better one.

I'm not sure that's entirely true

[Feux]

I had kind of expected the echo chamber clan to show up in this thread.

When you say things like this, it really does make your repeal look like nothing more than a hissy fit about people you don't like anymore.

No, it does not.

[Blood Wine]

When you say things like this, it really does make your repeal look like nothing more than a hissy fit about people you don't like anymore.

No, it does not.

your ad hominem attacks on people responding seem to disagree with you

[Feux]

No, it does not.

your ad hominem attacks on people responding seem to disagree with you

Attacks? In the Security Council? In a draft thread? From the author and critics? Clearly this must be so untypical to imply whatever you want it to and prove me wrong. I can feel the enlightenment hitting me now.

[RiderSyl]

When you say things like this, it really does make your repeal look like nothing more than a hissy fit about people you don't like anymore.

No, it does not.

Yes, it really does.