[DEFEATED] Condemn Lazarus

[Xoriet]

Hoping my cockish reputation is slowly diminishing with my recent choices and actions

Two words and an acronym: The GDU Downfall.

[Rifty]

Hoping my cockish reputation is slowly diminishing with my recent choices and actions

Two words and an acronym: The GDU Downfall.

Happened a fair while ago...

I've been friendly since - nah since the founding of AOI I haven't been as much of a Cock

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Greetings.

I have submitted this proposal and edited the OP accordingly. My original version was much longer, but apparently there is a character limit for WA proposals.

I have bumped this thread before anyone creates a new one. Feel free to debate the proposal. I won't be posting here, so if you have any concerns beyond that of questioning or insulting my mental state or "lol k", feel free to telegram me directly.

Nephmir

You folk might have to send a TG to express your compliants, though then again waiting a few days might work too

[Ikania]

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Condemn Lazarus

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: Lazarus | Proposed by: Nephmir

Description: The Security Council,

Recognizes Lazarus as a region where newly returning nations are refounded,

Here's where the problem starts. Lazarus is a GCR. Since GCRs are gigantic and cannot CTE, it means no matter what government the region has, it will be condemned. If this passes and the PRL falls to unveil this awesome, mega-fenda paradise, the condemnation will still apply until it's repealed. It's best to just keep neutral on GCR politics within the WA as the government will inevitably fall and there's no point clogging up the queue with resolutions on it.

States that regions of this nature and function are to uphold their duties and to remain open to all nations, ideologies, and opinions,

Identifies Lazarus as an Imperialist, Deformed Worker's State and Authoritarian Regime; the Lazarene government identifies their populace as "villagers, peasants, [and] urban workers" and its culture resembling that of a "socialist society", in which citizens' political and civil freedoms and rights are heavily restricted,

I can agree with most of this, but from my time in Lazarus I can definitely tell that it is not Imperialist; unlike most RL communists, they don't claim to be anti-Imperialist and then gush about their love of Stalin. They do it with Mao, but only in jest. Laz is one of the most anti-Imp regions in the game.

Recalls that the current Lazarene government came to power through the use of deception, fooling the citizens of Lazarus into voting them into power, upon which inspired rebellion, followed by holding the region with military force and removing the democratic government from power, banishing them without a trial or consensus of the citizens, and implementing a new socialist regime,

No idea if this is true because I wasn't into GCR politics at the time, so could somebody back that up for me?

Concerned that despite claims made by this regime, the Lazarene government does not act upon the best interests of the people of Lazarus, simultaneously calling themselves the "People's Republic of Lazarus" despite the fact that no democratic elections have taken place; under the command of the current oppressive former World Assembly Delegate, Funkadelia, who declared itself dictator of Lazarus "until further notice", citizens that sought or expressed desires for democracy were humiliated, shunned, and permanently banned from Lazarus and its territory,

Funk didn't just magically declare himself Dictator; he won in a fair election to replace Kazmr, though I personally put Fantome as my first choice, and the Funktator second. He did act like a Dictator though... kind of...

Disgusted that the Lazarene government exercises "brainwashing" tactics to maintain control over its own people and to prevent rebellion; this technique involves using false statements and propaganda to create the illusion that Lazarus is a utopian existence, and that all other regions, excluding close allies, are incompetent, incorrect, and misguided, and need to be destroyed; furthermore, Lazarus refers to themselves as "Anti-Imperialist", despite being built upon an imperialist foundation through use of imperialist means, fighting to spread their culture and using counter-intelligence to damage the public image of and often destroy regions, and corrupting its people into thinking that they are "pure Defenders",

Let's just cross this whole line out. Obvious troll is obvious.

Horrified that despite self-identifying as "Defenders", Lazarus has supported organizations actively participating in destructive tactics, often leading to the destruction of innocent regions or their communities, as well as supporting forum destruction,

When did they support forum destruction?

Nauseated by Lazarus' intolerance, in which the Lazarene foreign policy and government exhibits civil, social, and cultural intolerance,

Can't argue with this.

Concerned that Lazarus' citizens and "working class" live under a highly oppressive regime, in which civil rights are highly restricted, including but not limited to:

• A complete disregard for freedom of speech
• Freedom of assembly restricted to no more than groups of 26
• Living under a secret police, which enforces all laws and watches all citizens at all times,

I can personally confirm this. During Funk's reign, the 'Lazarene Security Directorate' kept tabs on everyone, especially Lenny, who Funk informed me was a spy. But none of this is ever mentioned. You know how it goes.

You should also talk about how Funk banned political dissent in the form of democratic protest.

Angered that Lazarus constantly dismisses scientific and economic advancement, looking down upon citizens with free thought, discouraging new ideas beyond that of the advancement of the Lazarene culture and ideology,

What?

Concerned that this destructive, manipulative, irrational, and deceptive behavior is permitted to continue unopposed by this council,

Wishing to warn nations not to approach this deceptive and dangerous region,

Hereby Condemns Lazarus.

Overall, the PRL itself is worthy of a condemnation, but the region as a whole shouldn't take the blame. If this does actually make it to vote, you get a FOR from me, but it likely won't and it's probably not worth it.

[Topid]

Here's where the problem starts. Lazarus is a GCR. Since GCRs are gigantic and cannot CTE, it means no matter what government the region has, it will be condemned. If this passes and the PRL falls to unveil this awesome, mega-fenda paradise, the condemnation will still apply until it's repealed. It's best to just keep neutral on GCR politics within the WA as the government will inevitably fall and there's no point clogging up the queue with resolutions on it.

Uhh, what? I have been around since 2008 and I find the notion that GCR governments are rapidly shifting somewhat silly. They all look essentially the same as when I joined, the most different other than Lazarus being TSP, which is still basically the same.

[Funkadelia]

Here's where the problem starts. Lazarus is a GCR. Since GCRs are gigantic and cannot CTE, it means no matter what government the region has, it will be condemned. If this passes and the PRL falls to unveil this awesome, mega-fenda paradise, the condemnation will still apply until it's repealed. It's best to just keep neutral on GCR politics within the WA as the government will inevitably fall and there's no point clogging up the queue with resolutions on it.

Uhh, what? I have been around since 2008 and I find the notion that GCR governments are rapidly shifting somewhat silly. They all look essentially the same as when I joined, the most different other than Lazarus being TSP, which is still basically the same.

He has no historical frame of reference for these things. He instead resorts to making wildly impractical estimations.

[Ikania]

Uhh, what? I have been around since 2008 and I find the notion that GCR governments are rapidly shifting somewhat silly. They all look essentially the same as when I joined, the most different other than Lazarus being TSP, which is still basically the same.

He has no historical frame of reference for these things. He instead resorts to making wildly impractical estimations.

I never said that it would fall soon, I said it would fall eventually. Osiris has been unstable in the recent past, and while Osiris is not Lazarus, we all know that the PRL won't be around forever and it's useless condemning a GCR.

[Kazmr]

The PRL shall live 10,000 updates!! o/

[Ikania]

The PRL shall live 10,000 updates!! o/

That's 13 years with major and minor. NS will be only 12 on the 13th. Good luck guys

[Topid]

He has no historical frame of reference for these things. He instead resorts to making wildly impractical estimations.

I never said that it would fall soon, I said it would fall eventually. Osiris has been unstable in the recent past, and while Osiris is not Lazarus, we all know that the PRL won't be around forever and it's useless condemning a GCR.

The government of Lazarus that was around forever was often lead by people whose auto log-in was on their UCR mains and they didn't pay attention to the region. And yet due to the impressive lack of change in the feeder/sinkers it was so for a long time.

I'd be remarkably shocked if PRL was ever toppled. PRL will end when the people in PRL want to have a different theme, if that ever occurs.

[Eluvatar]

Most GCRs are definitely pretty stable these days.

[Ikania]

It's not just the fact that the PRL will *eventually* fall, it's that all the shit was done by Funk, who's gone now. If we condemn Lazarus, any future Chairmen of the PRL who take better actions will have to live with that condemnation until it's repealed,which makes the condemnation very unnecessary. If you're looking for someone to condemn, go for Funk.

[Pauline Bonaparte]

I think it's clear that the condemn stems not from a difference in polical ideology - which in itself would be a vapid, silly reason for a condemn (not that that stops anyone) - but because of a personal grudge against the Lazarene elite for previous affronts to TEK.

The condemn is not a brave battle in some great war against "imperialism" - which as Ikania rightly points out would be a patently false accusation to make against Lazarus - but because of personal anger. I see no reason for anyone, even the most diehard anti-Lazarenes, to support a condemn proposed on such spurious grounds.

[Topid]

This is a remarkably silly resolution. NAY.

[Princess Mi Amora Cadenza]

Who's your supplier, and where can i get some. Hoggin all the stuff man, you gotta share with us, i mean, you must be smoking some serious stuff, cause this is crazy

[Toronina]

Are you serious Nemphir? Because IMHO you aren't being serious.

[Kazuma (Ancient)]

And what exactly is wrong with a socialist society? It's not like people are any less represented, at least in a socialist democracy.

[Rifty]

Look at me - Not even needing to campaign xD

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

It is a Capitalist plot to overthrow the workers utopia

[Nephmir]

It is a Capitalist plot to overthrow the workers utopia

You caught me. gg

[Ikania]

And what exactly is wrong with a socialist society? It's not like people are any less represented, at least in a socialist democracy.

You clearly have never been to Lazarus.

[Nordenwald]

And what exactly is wrong with a socialist society? It's not like people are any less represented, at least in a socialist democracy.

You clearly have never been to Lazarus.

You haven't in a few months either.


Anyways, I voted nay. The PRL deserves a condemnation, just not this one.

[Benjamin Mark]

Nephmir, I can't believe this reached quorum.

Stephanie Richardson
WA Ambassador

[RiderSyl]

This resolution is getting properly annihilated.

[Vanguard of the Communist Revolution]

A specter haunts the bourgeoisie of NationStates--the specter of communism. The capitalists try to buy the goodwill of the people with gold and jewels just as the feudal aristocracy trumpeted their claims of "divine right". We are glad to hear that the nations of the World Assembly are joining the class struggle.