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Social media to be banned for under 14s in Florida

Postby Johodovill » Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:16 pm

Ron DeSantis has signed a bill which will ban those under 14 years of age from making accounts on all(?) social media sites, and require 14 and 15-year olds to get permission from their parents before they make a social media account. Apparently, the legislature previously put forward a bill banning under-16s from social media entirely, but it was vetoed on account of it violating parents' right. The new bill will come into effect from January 2025. Personally, I think this is a good idea, due to the very negative effects social media can have on children. However, it is likely to be that some children violate the law (I don't suppose that will incur them or their parents any sort of legal punishment, will it?), and I wonder whether it will apply to all social media sites, and what it considers a social media site. For example, does NationStates count as one in it? Some people have also raised concerns that it might prevent children from exploring aspects of the world their parents might restrict, like gender/sexuality, though there are sure to be some people who consider that to be a good thing. So, NSG, what is your opinion on this bill? Should measures similar to it be taken in more places?

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Postby Merien » Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:29 pm

I thought the big rule was 13 and older. Why are old people who should be retired making all the decisions for people younger than them in Florida?
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Postby Xind » Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:32 pm

How are they going to enforce this?

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Postby Aadhiris » Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:33 pm

I thought the rule was 16 and older? I live in Florida but I'm >14 so I guess I'm good. And yeah, how exactly is this enforceable?
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Postby Merien » Mon Apr 01, 2024 5:01 pm

AaDhIrIs wrote:I thought the rule was 16 and older? I live in Florida but I'm >14 so I guess I'm good. And yeah, how exactly is this enforceable?


Same way they moderate the adult content sites and keep them away from kids. Barely nothing.

Maybe ids to make accounts, idk, its stupid.
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Postby Juansonia » Mon Apr 01, 2024 5:18 pm

Merien wrote:
AaDhIrIs wrote:I thought the rule was 16 and older? I live in Florida but I'm >14 so I guess I'm good. And yeah, how exactly is this enforceable?


Same way they moderate the adult content sites and keep them away from kids. Barely nothing.

Maybe ids to make accounts, idk, its stupid.
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1. It bans the sites from catering to a known-underage audience.
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The US Supreme court found that statutorily requiring IDs, specifically for free-to-access 18+ sites, infringed on the expression rights of the provider and the privacy rights of the client.
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Postby Israel and the Sinai » Mon Apr 01, 2024 5:23 pm

This will be extremely ineffective, an individual under 14 can lie about their age. It could work if they gave people 14 and over ID's or have their parents confirm their age. Unfortunately that is wishful thinking.
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Postby Almighty Biden » Mon Apr 01, 2024 5:52 pm

On the bright side, it will (if effective) help keep 13yos from Florida off the NS forums.

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Postby Trump Almighty » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:09 pm

JoHOdoviLL wrote: I wonder whether it will apply to all social media sites, and what it considers a social media site. For example, does NationStates count as one in it?

Article about it: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/florid ... 024-03-25/



I doubt this would change anything for NationStates. The forums are already 13+, and gameside CANNOT reasonably be considered social media to anyone with a brain
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Postby Ineva » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:14 pm

Perhaps the government should focus on governing and letting parents parent.
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Postby Israel and the Sinai » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:15 pm

Ineva wrote:Perhaps the government should focus on governing and letting parents parent.

That would be a good idea for them to do.
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Postby Aadhiris » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:17 pm

Israel and the Sinai wrote:
Ineva wrote:Perhaps the government should focus on governing and letting parents parent.

That would be a good idea for them to do.

I agree, very good idea.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:19 pm

Good. I don't see a problem with this. Get kids off their phones. maybe they will start paying attention in school and not scrolling Tik Tok. heck ban phones from schools while we are at it.

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Postby Rusozak » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:27 pm

Funny thing is, most social media is already 13+ for making accounts. Anyone under 13 is violating the TOS. This does nothing.
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Postby New Vaultopia » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:29 pm

Why not make an alternative social media where these kids could flock to?

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Postby Dantek » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:29 pm

So basically the 13+ rule but increased by one number
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Postby Venoano » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:31 pm

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Postby Daphomir » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:33 pm

DeSantis clearly was not in his senses when signing that bill. Banning social media for folks under 14? That is taking away one of their rights in my opinion. America is a land of FREEDOM, and I fail to see the freedom in that law. I'm not even American lol
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Postby Zetaopalatopia » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:33 pm

Xind wrote:How are they going to enforce this?


Depending on who they take inspiration from, they can try to force social sites verify via ID. Facebook will likely leave the state if it comes to that though.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:36 pm

Zetaopalatopia wrote:
Xind wrote:How are they going to enforce this?


Depending on who they take inspiration from, they can try to force social sites verify via ID. Facebook will likely leave the state if it comes to that though.


The problem is they can’t. Foreign DNS server and vpn…..
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Postby Cheroa » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:37 pm

In my opinion this is a terrible idea. Governments shouldn’t be controlling what someone is doing on their phone, I do agree social media is a big problem for kids but thats the parents job not the government. Most kids probably aren’t even gonna listen anyway as many just lie about their age. Don’t tread on my phone
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Postby Venoano » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:39 pm

Zetaopalatopia wrote:
Xind wrote:How are they going to enforce this?


Depending on who they take inspiration from, they can try to force social sites verify via ID. Facebook will likely leave the state if it comes to that though.


The Boomers might actually shrivel up and die if Facebook dips, it'd be like knocking out their electricity and communications. Calamity.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:43 pm

Venoano wrote:
Zetaopalatopia wrote:
Depending on who they take inspiration from, they can try to force social sites verify via ID. Facebook will likely leave the state if it comes to that though.


The Boomers might actually shrivel up and die if Facebook dips, it'd be like knocking out their electricity and communications. Calamity.


The boomers? Nahh. Like most people, they will just change to something else.
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Postby Kostane » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:47 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Venoano wrote:
The Boomers might actually shrivel up and die if Facebook dips, it'd be like knocking out their electricity and communications. Calamity.


The boomers? Nahh. Like most people, they will just change to something else.

Isn't the whole point of boomers that they don't like change?
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