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South Olpen
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Benovelent Dictatorship Hypothetical

Postby South Olpen » Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:31 pm

Suppose for a moment that you're leader of Earth. People disagree with you, some of your citizens will hate you and wish for years you never came to power. You could strip everyone in the country of their rights to self-determination to create Utopia, as per your standards. They won't rebel. What do you do?
Would you invalidate and ignore the people you're trying to help, perhaps making it hell for them even if they're life is better than ever? Would you forbid criticism? Or do you forfeit this power and allow suffering that your utopia could fix?

Me, personally, I'd enact my polcies. Even if people hate it, it benefits them. I would not forbid criticism, but I'd... uh... ignore it.
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Jewish Underground State
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Founded: Apr 08, 2022
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Jewish Underground State » Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:21 pm

Allowing people to protests threatens your power so I would do what china did 1989
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Nevertopia
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Nevertopia » Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:24 pm

South Olpen wrote:Suppose for a moment that you're leader of Earth. People disagree with you, some of your citizens will hate you and wish for years you never came to power. You could strip everyone in the country of their rights to self-determination to create Utopia, as per your standards. They won't rebel. What do you do?
Would you invalidate and ignore the people you're trying to help, perhaps making it hell for them even if they're life is better than ever? Would you forbid criticism? Or do you forfeit this power and allow suffering that your utopia could fix?

Me, personally, I'd enact my polcies. Even if people hate it, it benefits them. I would not forbid criticism, but I'd... uh... ignore it.

Hypothetically you get your Utopia, what do you do with the people who are like you? Who are the troublemakers always looking to take over and replace everything with their own version of utopia? Thats the thing about dictatorships, they last as long as the dictator's death. Then someone else gets to play with people's lives or people take their rights back.
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Annihilators of Chan Island
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Ex-Nation

Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:28 pm

My 2 priorities as leader of the world would be to foster space exploration as much as possible, and creating a democracy as soon as possible. It's not my utopia unless the people have a meaningful say in the process of running it- that's just some flavour of dictatorship.
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Tosican Empire
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Founded: Sep 24, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Tosican Empire » Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:29 pm

What I would do as the world leader is make the world follow the law of Tosicay. It may seem cruel to them at first but I would be saving their souls, and earning them the respect of Nime.
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Major-Tom
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Major-Tom » Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:47 pm

I've said it before when seeing these types of hypotheticals, if I ever found myself in such a political leadership position, my instinct would be to immediately resign. I think, even with my best intentions, I'd make a mess of everything.

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Stellar Colonies
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New York Times Democracy

Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:16 pm

1) Be annoyed that everyone knows I'm the one pulling the strings.

2) Probably have a breakdown from the stress of being humanity's dear leader, assuming I don't step down like the above.
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El Lazaro
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Founded: Oct 19, 2021
Left-wing Utopia

Postby El Lazaro » Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:19 pm

I’m fully aware that I wouldn’t be able to establish my personal utopia, but I trust myself enough to point things in the right direction and let the people figure the rest out.

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Araneberg
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Founded: May 27, 2022
Democratic Socialists

Postby Araneberg » Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:19 pm

I would make an in depth post about this question but the very first post sums up my thoughts perfectly
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Picairn
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Founded: Feb 21, 2020
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:25 pm

My list as a benevolent dictator:

1. Suppress all protests and riots challenging my rule.
2. Set up a farce of a democracy by nominally allowing elections but the results will be favorably rigged towards my party.
3. Organize a government staffed with my most loyal minions as ministers and competent experts serving in a strictly advisory capacity. This allows my ministers and me to be informed while not having any smart and ambitious fellows undermining our authority.
4. Keep a tight grip on the legislature by methods of blackmail, patronage, or offers of favours. Manipulation of the media to control public opinion as a pressure point on politicians is also good.
5. Likewise for the media by banning (or minimizing the reach of) independent press while state-controlled media will focus on positive messaging to the populace. Can potentially emulate China and Russia of a "Good Tsar, bad boyars" image by exposing local corruption while painting ME as an anti-corruption crusader as I quietly destroy my enemies.
6. Create a dirigisme state capitalist regime by entrusting key industries (energy, national defense, chemistry, transportation, education, infrastructure, machinery, steel production, etc.) to state enterprises while private companies can compete with each other in other fields under regulation. Heavy industry, infrastructure and agriculture are top priorities for development at this stage.
7. After some time (one or two decades), begin to steer away from heavy industry and invest in high-tech and light industries for a surplus of various goods, satisfying the growing demands of my (ever richer) population.
8. Slowly liberalize the economy by deregulating and allowing greater freedom of movement for labor and capital across the world, as well as phasing out direct subsidies to big businesses to encourage greater competition and prevent stagnation. Support instead will be given to small and medium enterprises. Decrease government spending and adopt tight monetary measures to halt inflation. Build high-tech facilities across the world to ensure better geographic distribution of industry and facilitate quicker industrialization.
9. Begin to work towards expanding space exploration and invest heavily in R&D and aerospace industries.
10. Slowly implement worker protections and welfare to satisfy the demands of the workers and the poor. Ensure proper education and housing are given to the lowest members of society, facilitating a new generation of well-educated workers to feed the expanding industries.
11. Work towards democratizing my government and allowing greater transparency (after I have dealt with corrupt interest groups).
12. Clean up as much corruption as possible by removing the most egregious of cases (but not pressing too much to avoid enormous hostility) and thereby put on a show for the population of how great I continue to be.
13. Announce I'll retire and let the population vote in the first free and fair election, get praised as a great statesman ever after (despite reservations about my early reign and dictatorial control).
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Ethel mermania
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:04 am

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United Eastern Vodia
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Founded: Aug 27, 2022
Corporate Police State

Postby United Eastern Vodia » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:07 am

Hell yea, I would enact those policies in a heartbeat. I would illegalize dissent and public protest, get rid of elections, open up the market with no one to stop me, ect
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:17 am

Major-Tom wrote:I've said it before when seeing these types of hypotheticals, if I ever found myself in such a political leadership position, my instinct would be to immediately resign. I think, even with my best intentions, I'd make a mess of everything.

I might try to get a pension on the way out, but yeah, my first act as Leader Of Earth will be to resign.
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kalivyah » Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:51 am

South Olpen wrote:Suppose for a moment that you're leader of Earth. People disagree with you, some of your citizens will hate you and wish for years you never came to power. You could strip everyone in the country of their rights to self-determination to create Utopia, as per your standards. They won't rebel. What do you do?
Would you invalidate and ignore the people you're trying to help, perhaps making it hell for them even if they're life is better than ever? Would you forbid criticism? Or do you forfeit this power and allow suffering that your utopia could fix?

Me, personally, I'd enact my polcies. Even if people hate it, it benefits them. I would not forbid criticism, but I'd... uh... ignore it.

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Technoscience Leftwing
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Founded: Jan 24, 2019
Democratic Socialists

Postby Technoscience Leftwing » Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:17 pm

If I were the leader of the Earth, then only the humanistically minded part of the citizens would have the freedom to make decisions. First, altruistic creators that interested in knowledge, creativity and solidarity. Secondly, hedonistic consumers, whose goal is material well-being, an abundance of entertainment and leisure. Thirdly, pseudo-aggressors who are able to direct their aggressive impulses into the harmless channel of virtual reconstruction, or into the useful channel of sports.

Finally, there would be a group suspended from decision-making - really dangerous aggressors. Predators, despots and obscurantists. Those who want to get rich on the ruin of others, or cause them real suffering. To this group belong, for example, the capitalist social-darwinists, the fanatics of religious asceticism, and the pseudo-socialists of the barracks. This is the group I would deprive of political influence.
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Ozeanreisende
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Founded: Jul 24, 2022
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Ozeanreisende » Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:19 pm

Hypothetically i wouldnt even be elected in any universee
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Culway
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Founded: Nov 05, 2021
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Culway » Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:21 pm

IDK, maybe just let them be, make everything thing fair, as I said IDK
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Ayytaly
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Founded: Feb 08, 2019
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Ayytaly » Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:27 pm

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Free Algerstonia
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Founded: Jan 16, 2022
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Free Algerstonia » Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:23 pm

id just steal all the money, appoint my impressionable nephew to the position, resign, then act like a shadowy puppetmaster because i believe i would do better as a behind-the-scenes influencer and puppeteer than as the face of the regime
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Huaren Gongsi state
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Postby Huaren Gongsi state » Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:01 pm

I would do what's called the Lee Kuan Yew gaming
So when people say, 'Oh, ask the people!' It's childish rubbish. We are leaders. We know the consequences. You mean that ice-water man knows the consequences of his vote? They say people can think for themselves? Do you honestly believe that the chap who can't pass primary six knows the consequences of his choice when he answers a question viscerally on language, culture and religion?

Lee was an outspoken critic of Western ideals of democracy, stating that "with a few exceptions, democracy has not brought good government to developing countries." He argued that in states such as China, the concept of democracy was simply "not workable", because of the large population size that had to be canvassed, while in India, the results of democracy "have not been spectacular".
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Valentine Z
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Founded: Nov 08, 2015
Democratic Socialists

Postby Valentine Z » Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:17 pm

Spread the love, compassion, niceness, and kittens and puppies.

And in particular, target the industries that relies on planned obsolescence.

I know what I'm doing, there will be an utopia in 25 years.... Probably. Maybe. Pinky promise. /s
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Vistulange
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Vistulange » Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:23 pm

Picairn wrote:My list as a benevolent dictator:

1. Suppress all protests and riots challenging my rule.
2. Set up a farce of a democracy by nominally allowing elections but the results will be favorably rigged towards my party.
3. Organize a government staffed with my most loyal minions as ministers and competent experts serving in a strictly advisory capacity. This allows my ministers and me to be informed while not having any smart and ambitious fellows undermining our authority.
4. Keep a tight grip on the legislature by methods of blackmail, patronage, or offers of favours. Manipulation of the media to control public opinion as a pressure point on politicians is also good.
5. Likewise for the media by banning (or minimizing the reach of) independent press while state-controlled media will focus on positive messaging to the populace. Can potentially emulate China and Russia of a "Good Tsar, bad boyars" image by exposing local corruption while painting ME as an anti-corruption crusader as I quietly destroy my enemies.
6. Create a dirigisme state capitalist regime by entrusting key industries (energy, national defense, chemistry, transportation, education, infrastructure, machinery, steel production, etc.) to state enterprises while private companies can compete with each other in other fields under regulation. Heavy industry, infrastructure and agriculture are top priorities for development at this stage.
7. After some time (one or two decades), begin to steer away from heavy industry and invest in high-tech and light industries for a surplus of various goods, satisfying the growing demands of my (ever richer) population.
8. Slowly liberalize the economy by deregulating and allowing greater freedom of movement for labor and capital across the world, as well as phasing out direct subsidies to big businesses to encourage greater competition and prevent stagnation. Support instead will be given to small and medium enterprises. Decrease government spending and adopt tight monetary measures to halt inflation. Build high-tech facilities across the world to ensure better geographic distribution of industry and facilitate quicker industrialization.
9. Begin to work towards expanding space exploration and invest heavily in R&D and aerospace industries.
10. Slowly implement worker protections and welfare to satisfy the demands of the workers and the poor. Ensure proper education and housing are given to the lowest members of society, facilitating a new generation of well-educated workers to feed the expanding industries.
11. Work towards democratizing my government and allowing greater transparency (after I have dealt with corrupt interest groups).
12. Clean up as much corruption as possible by removing the most egregious of cases (but not pressing too much to avoid enormous hostility) and thereby put on a show for the population of how great I continue to be.
13. Announce I'll retire and let the population vote in the first free and fair election, get praised as a great statesman ever after (despite reservations about my early reign and dictatorial control).


Reminds me of Jerry Rawlings (of Ghanaian fame).

Huaren Gongsi state wrote:I would do what's called the Lee Kuan Yew gaming
So when people say, 'Oh, ask the people!' It's childish rubbish. We are leaders. We know the consequences. You mean that ice-water man knows the consequences of his vote? They say people can think for themselves? Do you honestly believe that the chap who can't pass primary six knows the consequences of his choice when he answers a question viscerally on language, culture and religion?

Lee was an outspoken critic of Western ideals of democracy, stating that "with a few exceptions, democracy has not brought good government to developing countries." He argued that in states such as China, the concept of democracy was simply "not workable", because of the large population size that had to be canvassed, while in India, the results of democracy "have not been spectacular".


Good thing he wasn't a political scientist, then.
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Postby Huaren Gongsi state » Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:19 am

Vistulange wrote:Good thing he wasn't a political scientist, then.

What are you trying to imply here? without him and his politics I wouldn't own a computer to access nationstates

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