Should doxxers be doxxed?

[Free Algerstonia]

this will create an inevitable slippery slope where the doxxers get doxxed, then the doxxers of the doxxers get doxxed, and so on and so forth until everybody on the planet has been doxxed

[Incel Argentina]

this will create an inevitable slippery slope where the doxxers get doxxed, then the doxxers of the doxxers get doxxed, and so on and so forth until everybody on the planet has been doxxed

Gandhi once said that "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". That's why punishment is not the same as rehabilitation, and why most prison systems are so innefective nowdays.

Punishment scares people, proper rehabilitation fixes them. You can only scare a group of people for so long before they start testing the waters, giving in to the temptation of a crime, and doing illegal stuff in consequence.

[Nipponkyo]

As I have mentioned before, it is very easy to cover your tracks online. Even without using a VPN, IP addresses can be spoofed with just a bit of tech-knowhow, making next to impossible to track down the actual culprit. This makes investigating many cybercrimes very difficult. Preventative actions are the best thing anyone can do to reduce their chances of this happening to them.

Believe me, I am not victim-blaming here, but a good piece of commonsense advice to follow while online is to be very careful about your personal information and just how much information you reveal about yourself. Even revealing just seemingly inconsequential facts about yourself can actually be used by a bored hater with a lot of time on their hands to find you.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

As I have mentioned before, it is very easy to cover your tracks online. Even without using a VPN, IP addresses can be spoofed with just a bit of tech-knowhow, making next to impossible to track down the actual culprit. This makes investigating many cybercrimes very difficult. Preventative actions are the best thing anyone can do to reduce their chances of this happening to them.

Believe me, I am not victim-blaming here, but a good piece of commonsense advice to follow while online is to be very careful about your personal information and just how much information you reveal about yourself. Even revealing just seemingly inconsequential facts about yourself can actually be used by a bored hater with a lot of time on their hands to find you.

I get that there's a difference between that and victim blaming, and hate as much as the next guy the way people use that phrase to dismiss advice on how to protect oneself.

But how has the "tech know-how" of the criminals to evade law enforcement outstripped the "tech know-how" of the system to catch them? How has the system, with the broad snooping powers it already has, not been able to use this to circumvent all known methods to "spoof" IP addresses? We already have people getting away with falsely making people look like they've uttered threats of violence they haven't actually uttered. How much higher do the stakes need to get before we find ways for law enforcement to track criminals that these kinds of criminals can't "spoof"?

[Ulajhan]

this will create an inevitable slippery slope where the doxxers get doxxed, then the doxxers of the doxxers get doxxed, and so on and so forth until everybody on the planet has been doxxed

Sounds like a good time to me honestly... /s?

If they are going to be held accountable for their crimes, they are inevitably going to get doxxed anyway, aren't they?

My primary issue is that people taking things into their hands doxxing the wrong person. It's the same issue I have with things like the death penalty, where once something is done it cannot be undone.

[Kingdom of Intermaria]

I think not, once you've doxxed an doxxer, you're doxxed aswell. US and its 'puppet countries' needs to create an cyberpolice type of law enforcement to stop doxxing. But still, people needs to not get involved in crimes or controversial stuffs or they'll might have a big chance of getting doxxed. It would be great if Microsoft and other big tech companies make an VPN and make it pre-installed in their newly made softwares and OS

[Kingdom of Intermaria]

this will create an inevitable slippery slope where the doxxers get doxxed, then the doxxers of the doxxers get doxxed, and so on and so forth until everybody on the planet has been doxxed

New generations' Dr Seuss or something.

[Great Heathen Air Force]

Whoever fights doxxers should see to it that in the process he does not become a doxxer. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.

[The Front Range]

No.
People should not be harassed and placed in danger.

What do you think of the US prison system, then? People are placed in danger when they are placed in prison, and they are much worse than harassed. Do you condone this? If so, what's the distinction, and if not, to what do you attribute the average voter's decision to allow it to continue?

A large chunk of Americans generally don’t think the US prison system is very good

[Life empire]

If you dox a doxer you're exposing them to things that doxing exposes people to? Shocking.

Tit for tat is the oldest legal principle in history.

I agree. Who cares if some innocents are harmed as long as justice is served.

so if you have someone who let's say killed 5 people, and you narrowed who did it down to 5 suspects by this logic you would shoot all 5 (if there is death penalty) even though only 1 did it and the other 4 are innocent, and then you would just be happy the murderer is dead when you just killed 4 innocents? killing innocent people is still wrong, so is doxxing innocent people not also still wrong? after all thats what youre punishing the guilty person for in the first place

[Ulajhan]

I think not, once you've doxxed an doxxer, you're doxxed aswell. US and its 'puppet countries' needs to create an cyberpolice type of law enforcement to stop doxxing. But still, people needs to not get involved in crimes or controversial stuffs or they'll might have a big chance of getting doxxed. It would be great if Microsoft and other big tech companies make an VPN and make it pre-installed in their newly made softwares and OS

You would have to trust the US to build a whole new level of police system with even MORE ways to abuse their power.

Looking at how well they handle normal policing...

Yeah. No.

[Torisakia]

Yes. Because if the doxxers are doxxed then there exists no one else for the doxxers to doxx so it cancels out. Doxxology, as it's known.

[Finalis]

uh i was always under the impression that the justice system was for justice, not revenge.

so no.

[Nipponkyo]

As I have mentioned before, it is very easy to cover your tracks online. Even without using a VPN, IP addresses can be spoofed with just a bit of tech-knowhow, making next to impossible to track down the actual culprit. This makes investigating many cybercrimes very difficult. Preventative actions are the best thing anyone can do to reduce their chances of this happening to them.

Believe me, I am not victim-blaming here, but a good piece of commonsense advice to follow while online is to be very careful about your personal information and just how much information you reveal about yourself. Even revealing just seemingly inconsequential facts about yourself can actually be used by a bored hater with a lot of time on their hands to find you.

I get that there's a difference between that and victim blaming, and hate as much as the next guy the way people use that phrase to dismiss advice on how to protect oneself.

But how has the "tech know-how" of the criminals to evade law enforcement outstripped the "tech know-how" of the system to catch them? How has the system, with the broad snooping powers it already has, not been able to use this to circumvent all known methods to "spoof" IP addresses? We already have people getting away with falsely making people look like they've uttered threats of violence they haven't actually uttered. How much higher do the stakes need to get before we find ways for law enforcement to track criminals that these kinds of criminals can't "spoof"?

It's a game of cat and mouse. Even the Chinese government and its broad snooping powers can't track down every Chinese dissident. Sure, some get caught, but the smarter ones know how to evade detection and live to undermine Xi Jinping another day. That is, at least until they slip up and accidentally leave a clue behind, someone close to them rats them out, or they stop voluntarily in favor of playing it safe and laying low.

[Prima Scriptura]

Should people that doxx pedophiles, people that commit serial and violent harassment(like rape and death threats), scammers and other horrible people be doxxed?

[Risottia]

Bullies should be bullied, terrorists should be terrorized. It's the only language they understand.

Uhm, no.
No point in a retribution in kind. If the act is wrong, it is still wrong even if used as retribution.

[Life empire]

Bullies should be bullied, terrorists should be terrorized. It's the only language they understand.

Uhm, no.
No point in a retribution in kind. If the act is wrong, it is still wrong even if used as retribution.

in some cases, not always though

[Grishahakkaverchynot]

Yes. When you reveal someones identifying info, you put them in danger.

[Duvniask]

If you take someone's eye, and they take your eye, you take their other eye, and they take your eye. Then you're both blind.

It's "an eye for an eye", not "an eye for an eye for an eye for an eye".

It doesn't matter what the expression says. Such severe retributive justice will incur reprisals, as was (and is) the case in societies marked by blood feuds.

[Vistulange]

It's "an eye for an eye", not "an eye for an eye for an eye for an eye".

It doesn't matter what the expression says. Such severe retributive justice will incur reprisals, as was (and is) the case in societies marked by blood feuds.

Leave it to NSG to nitpick statements like that, take them literally, and go "acktually", proceeding to move onto arguing how "well people have two eyes and eye for an eye only makes people lose one eye".

Truly, the epitome of rhetoric and debate.

[Emotional Support Crocodile]

A hard no from me.

[The Finntopian Empire]

I wasn't sure so I asked my grandmother. She said "two wrongs don't make a right," so that's my answer.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Because humanity was a mistake I imagine people would just falsely accuse others or define doxxing ever more loosely in order to justify their own actions, making the problem worse.

[Lemsrow]

No, it is absurdly stupid.

If you doxx the doxxers, they doxx more people, and it just all falls apart, so let’s not escalate the internet, shall we?

[Katganistan]

I wasn't sure so I asked my grandmother. She said "two wrongs don't make a right," so that's my answer.

But four lefts do.