Dreria wrote:I don’t see what’s the big deal tbh
It is for the 60.48 million people living in Italy (not that I am one of them myself)
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by Tsardom of Alaska » Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:35 pm
Dreria wrote:I don’t see what’s the big deal tbh
by San Lumen » Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:15 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:San Lumen wrote:
She’s not only far right she is dangerous. She a racist, homophobic, xenophobic bigot and the President should refuse to appoint her Prime Minister.
I bet you agree with von der Leyen's comments about her wanting the EU to use every tool to deny her a place as ruler of Italy. While I disagree with practically everything about Meloni and her coalition, her party and coalition did get elected by the Italian people, and to deny her a chance to rule Italy would be to go against every single democratic norm.
by The Grand World Order » Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:24 pm
San Lumen wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:I bet you agree with von der Leyen's comments about her wanting the EU to use every tool to deny her a place as ruler of Italy. While I disagree with practically everything about Meloni and her coalition, her party and coalition did get elected by the Italian people, and to deny her a chance to rule Italy would be to go against every single democratic norm.
I do agree.
I don’t care. If the President cared about the country he’d refuse to name her prime minister and cause a constitutional crisis.
by Outer Sparta » Wed Sep 28, 2022 9:47 pm
San Lumen wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:I bet you agree with von der Leyen's comments about her wanting the EU to use every tool to deny her a place as ruler of Italy. While I disagree with practically everything about Meloni and her coalition, her party and coalition did get elected by the Italian people, and to deny her a chance to rule Italy would be to go against every single democratic norm.
I do agree.
I don’t care. If the President cared about the country he’d refuse to name her prime minister and cause a constitutional crisis.
by Shrillland » Wed Sep 28, 2022 10:29 pm
by Vikanias » Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:33 am
by Risottia » Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:50 am
San Lumen wrote:Outer Sparta wrote:I bet you agree with von der Leyen's comments about her wanting the EU to use every tool to deny her a place as ruler of Italy. While I disagree with practically everything about Meloni and her coalition, her party and coalition did get elected by the Italian people, and to deny her a chance to rule Italy would be to go against every single democratic norm.
I do agree.
I don’t care. If the President cared about the country he’d refuse to name her prime minister and cause a constitutional crisis.
by Risottia » Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:52 am
Vikanias wrote:“We love democracy!”
*people vote for the other side*
“If they actually CARED about their country they would let the people I agree with into power!”
by Risottia » Thu Sep 29, 2022 3:54 am
Dreria wrote:I don’t see what’s the big deal tbh
by Risottia » Thu Sep 29, 2022 4:17 am
Heloin wrote:At best she will be a pathetic failure who does nothing.
by San Lumen » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:42 am
Risottia wrote:San Lumen wrote:I do agree.
I don’t care. If the President cared about the country he’d refuse to name her prime minister and cause a constitutional crisis.
The President can't just do whatever he pleases.
The Constitution specifies that the President of the Republic must hold talks with the parliamentary groups and find if there's the possibility of having a majority in both Houses supporting a cabinet. In that case, he is supposed to appoint as President of the Ministers' Council (no, we don't have a Prime Minister) the person most likely to be given confidence by the parliamentary majority, and send them to the Parliament to try and win a confidence vote.
In the case no majority can be formed, the current cabinet stays in charge as caretaker and new elections are indicted. But this is not the case as the right-wing coalition has a majority in both Houses. And yeah, preserving the Constitution is crucial, especially now.
by Rakhalia » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:56 am
Vikanias wrote:“We love democracy!”
*people vote for the other side*
“If they actually CARED about their country they would let the people I agree with into power!”
by Outer Sparta » Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:48 am
Rakhalia wrote:Vikanias wrote:“We love democracy!”
*people vote for the other side*
“If they actually CARED about their country they would let the people I agree with into power!”
I mean, you're half right. The main issue here is that it's a stunning indictment of the current model of liberal democracy, one that was already obvious but forgotten with time. Liberals can't wrap their head around this because it's fundamentally self-contradictory to their belief system; they believe in universal rights, but the network of information and economics they're responsible for has allowed someone like Meloni, who's hell-bent on restricting the rights of people like immigrants, LGBT people, et cetera to gain power. It leaves a lot of cognitive dissonance in place.
The fundamental problem here is that the framework shows that these rights can be taken away if the liberal political process is hijacked by fascists, which either disillusions liberals or sends them into denial -- hence the insistence that Meloni either isn't a fascist or at least it's good that a woman got elected in Italy, et cetera. If we want to prevent fascism, another course of action than ineffectual liberalism is necessary.
by Frattastan IV » Thu Sep 29, 2022 11:03 am
Grande Germania wrote:Personally, I am optimistic about this government, which promises to be one of the most stable in republican history, in fact it has a large majority and the coalition appears to be stable.
Draganisia wrote:Also it seems the next war could be NPO fighting directly against Pacifica.
by Risottia » Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:18 pm
Frattastan IV wrote:Of course, my favourite election-related news was Salvini suggesting (before the correction of election results) that Umberto Bossi, the man who said he would use the national flag to wipe his ass, should be appointed senator-for-life. Patriots.
by Frattastan IV » Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:26 pm
Risottia wrote:Frattastan IV wrote:Of course, my favourite election-related news was Salvini suggesting (before the correction of election results) that Umberto Bossi, the man who said he would use the national flag to wipe his ass, should be appointed senator-for-life. Patriots.
Actually he told a person who was protesting against secession by waving a national flag that she could use it to wipe her own ass. Was sentenced for it, too.
Draganisia wrote:Also it seems the next war could be NPO fighting directly against Pacifica.
by Risottia » Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:34 pm
Frattastan IV wrote:Risottia wrote:Actually he told a person who was protesting against secession by waving a national flag that she could use it to wipe her own ass. Was sentenced for it, too.
He also mentioned it as something he would do himself.
"il deputato Bossi e' stato dichiarato colpevole del reato di cui all'art. 292 del codice penale per avere, in data 25 luglio 1997, nel corso di una manifestazione indetta dalla Lega Nord e svoltasi nei pressi del Palazzetto dello sport di Cabiate, pronunziato le seguenti parole: «quando io vedo il tricolore, mi incazzo; il tricolore lo uso soltanto per pulirmi il culo»"1
Yeah, aware he can't be appointed (aside from the obvious lack of the requirement of having honoured the country with the highest merits ...), was more looking at the ridiculousness of the statement.
by Il Sonno della Ragione Genera Mostri » Sun Oct 02, 2022 5:50 am
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