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[DRAFT] Nuclear Weapons in Civilian's Hands Act

Postby Attack Helicopter » Tue May 24, 2022 1:41 pm

The World Assembly,

Noting that weapons, especially those of nuclear nature, are dangerous to sapientkind,

Concerned, however, that, sooner or later, civilians will be barred from holding nuclear weapons,

Believing, though, that with guidance and restrictions, civilians can be trusted just enough to hold nuclear weapons,

Wanting to prevent a full or partial ban on the possesion of nuclear weapons by civilians, while placing proper restrictions to ensure that catastrophe doesn't fall out,

Hereby enacts the following:

  1. Defines a nuclear weapon as a weapon capable of commiting mass destruction by harnessing forces holding the nucleus of an atom together.
  2. Mandates that member nations allow civilians to own nuclear weapons.
    1. Allows member states to require owners of nuclear weapons be instructed on the safe and proper storage, transport, and operation of nuclear weapons.
  3. Allows nuclear weapons to be obtained by purchase, gift, manufacture, or any other manner which respects property rights and is in obedience with existing WA legislation.
      Allows member states to impose safety regulations on the transportation of nuclear weapons
  4. Mandates that said nuclear weapons be disabled, and recommends member nations to make sure it stays that way.


The World Assembly,

Noting that weapons, especially those of nuclear nature, are dangerous to sapientkind,

Concerned that, sooner or later, civilians will be barred from holding nuclear weapons,

Wanting to prevent a full or partial ban on the possesion of nuclear weapons by civilians,

Hereby does the following:

  • Defines a nuclear weapon as a weapon capable of commiting mass destruction by harnessing forces holding the nucleus of an atom together.
  • Mandates that member nations allow civilians to own nuclear weapons.
  • Allows nuclear weapons to be obtained whatever way imaginable, in obedience with existing WA legislation.


The World Assembly,

Noting that weapons, especially those of nuclear nature, are dangerous to sapientkind,

Concerned, however, that, sooner or later, civilians will be barred from holding nuclear weapons,

Wanting to prevent a full or partial ban on the possesion of nuclear weapons by civilians, while placing restriction

Hereby does the following:

  1. Defines a nuclear weapon as a weapon capable of commiting mass destruction by harnessing forces holding the nucleus of an atom together.
  2. Mandates that member nations allow civilians to own nuclear weapons.
    1. Mandates that those who wish to house nuclear weapons under their private ownership recieve training on how to properly house them.
  3. Allows nuclear weapons to be obtained whatever way imaginable, in obedience with existing WA legislation.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue May 24, 2022 2:11 pm

Opposed. This would require denuclearised states to allow their inhabitants to use nuclear weapons with no apparent training. I further question why you want to stop the WA from banning nuclear weapons that you admit "are dangerous to sapientkind."
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Tue May 24, 2022 2:22 pm

There is a dedicated thread for joke proposals. I suggest taking this proposal there.


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Postby Attack Helicopter » Tue May 24, 2022 2:24 pm

Attempted Socialism wrote:There is a dedicated thread for joke proposals. I suggest taking this proposal there.


Not a joke proposal.
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Postby Attack Helicopter » Tue May 24, 2022 2:27 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Opposed. This would require denuclearised states to allow their inhabitants to use nuclear weapons with no apparent training. I further question why you want to stop the WA from banning nuclear weapons that you admit "are dangerous to sapientkind."


Edited to force future weapon owners to recieve training on how to handle their own nuclear weapon. Needs some more explanation, though.
THE UNITED STATES OF ATTACK HELICOPTER
"To be honest, it's only one state -- well, helicopter. -- Pilot James Smith
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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue May 24, 2022 2:31 pm

Opposed, but I will help you. My feedback is in bold red.
Attack Helicopter wrote:
The World Assembly,

Noting that weapons, especially those of nuclear nature, are dangerous to sapientkind,
Contradictory considering the aim of this proposal. Perhaps you should instead include reasoning why citizens should have access to nuclear weapons, but there are very few that I can think of.

Concerned that, sooner or later, civilians will be barred from holding nuclear weapons,
Again, and that is bad because?

Wanting to prevent a full or partial ban on the possesion of nuclear weapons by civilians,
My point above.

Hereby does the following:
"Does" should be "enacts", makes it more proffesional sounding and concise.

  • Defines a nuclear weapon as a weapon capable of commiting mass destruction by harnessing forces holding the nucleus of an atom together.
  • Mandates that member nations allow civilians to own nuclear weapons.
    Seems a little much, don't you think? I'm pretty sure it would be disastrous if any nation allowed the civilian purchase and use of nuclear weapons, but that's just my opinion.
  • Allows nuclear weapons to be obtained whatever way imaginable, in obedience with existing WA legislation.
    Again, seems a bit much.
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Postby Juansonia » Tue May 24, 2022 2:41 pm

Opposed, but here's some recommendations:

consider replacing clause 2-Alfa with
Allows member states to require owners of nuclear weapons have sufficient training in safe and proper methods of storage, transportation, and operation of nuclear weapons,

Clause 3-Alfa:
Allows member states to impose safety standards for the transportation of nuclear weapons,

and after all that
and clarifies that nothing in this act is to be construed as requiring member states to allow owners to detonate their nuclear weapons.
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Postby Attack Helicopter » Tue May 24, 2022 2:59 pm

Changes were made.
THE UNITED STATES OF ATTACK HELICOPTER
"To be honest, it's only one state -- well, helicopter. -- Pilot James Smith
One AH-64 Apache piloted by a guy named James Smith and co-piloted by another guy named Peter Williams, who also acts as a gunner. Federal republic consisting of one helicopter
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Postby Juansonia » Tue May 24, 2022 3:03 pm

I meant to replace 2-a with what I suggested and add a subclause to 3, not to replace 2 and 3. you accidentally removed the "allowing privately owned nukes" part

edit: I meant these should be the changes:
  1. Defines a nuclear weapon as a weapon capable of commiting mass destruction by harnessing forces holding the nucleus of an atom together.
  2. Mandates that member nations allow civilians to own nuclear weapons.
    1. Allows member states to require owners of nuclear weapons be instructed on the safe and proper storage, transport, and operation of nuclear weapons.
  3. Allows nuclear weapons to be obtained by purchase, gift, manufacture, or any other manner which respects property rights and is in obedience with existing WA legislation.
      Allows member states to impose safety regulations on the transportation of nuclear weapons
  4. Clarifies that nothing in this legislation is to be construed as allowing owners of nuclear weapons to detonate said weapons.

You can use my wording for the changes.
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Kannap wrote:You bring up a good point. We should find ways to incorporate the other six deadly sins into the fabric of Pride month
Each sin should get it's own month.

Right now, Pride gets June, and Greed, Envy, and Gluttony have to share Thanksgiving/Black Friday through Christmas, Sloth gets one day in September, and Lust gets one day in February.

It's not equitable at all.

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Postby Attempted Socialism » Tue May 24, 2022 3:11 pm

Attack Helicopter wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:There is a dedicated thread for joke proposals. I suggest taking this proposal there.


Not a joke proposal.

I think you'll find it's taken as a joke whether or not you meant it as a joke. This proposal likely runs afoul of RITA's clause 5, but even if a legal version can be crafted, it will still be laughed at.


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Postby Juansonia » Tue May 24, 2022 3:19 pm

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Attack Helicopter wrote:
Not a joke proposal.

I think you'll find it's taken as a joke whether or not you meant it as a joke. This proposal likely runs afoul of RITA's clause 5, but even if a legal version can be crafted, it will still be laughed at.


since he misinterpreted my suggestion, it no longer does - it has nothing which requires allowing the transfer of nuclear weapons anymore, which was clearly an accident. Did you write this before he made the edits, or did your actions likely fall afoul of RTRA's clause a.


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Kannap wrote:You bring up a good point. We should find ways to incorporate the other six deadly sins into the fabric of Pride month
Each sin should get it's own month.

Right now, Pride gets June, and Greed, Envy, and Gluttony have to share Thanksgiving/Black Friday through Christmas, Sloth gets one day in September, and Lust gets one day in February.

It's not equitable at all.

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Postby Attempted Socialism » Tue May 24, 2022 3:56 pm

Juansonia wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:I think you'll find it's taken as a joke whether or not you meant it as a joke. This proposal likely runs afoul of RITA's clause 5, but even if a legal version can be crafted, it will still be laughed at.


since he misinterpreted my suggestion, it no longer does - it has nothing which requires allowing the transfer of nuclear weapons anymore, which was clearly an accident. Did you write this before he made the edits, or did your actions likely fall afoul of RTRA's clause a.

I had opened a version of the thread before the latest edits -- I could not remember the exact name of the resolution so it appears I spent more than 12 minutes looking for the citation. This version does fulfill my criterion though: Laughable, even if it's legal (Or at it doesn't contradict RITA). RITA applies if Attack Helicopter figures out their accident though, and it's telling that the resolution is being drafted so poorly that sweeping edits are being made within the span of less than an hour.


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Postby Fremenilia » Tue May 24, 2022 4:01 pm

Full support, I would also support future resolutions that allow citizens to own their own nuclear armed attack helicopters, and napalm bombs etc.
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Postby Attack Helicopter » Tue May 24, 2022 4:16 pm

Fremenilia wrote:Full support, I would also support future resolutions that allow citizens to own their own nuclear armed attack helicopters, and napalm bombs etc.


The topic is about nuclear weapons. This includes nuclear submarines, nuclear text, and -- the best one to make -- a nuclear United States of Attack Helicopter.

Also, what do you think about ownership of ALL "dangerous" weapons legal (if they are deactivated)?
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Postby Fachumonn » Tue May 24, 2022 4:18 pm

Why are we suddenly giving nuclear weapons to citizens? Honestly, one of the best ideas if you really want to destroy literally everything! This is so stupid. Full oppose. And yes, citizens will figure out a way to detonate them. Giving it to them for no reason is honestly dumb.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Tue May 24, 2022 4:37 pm

Attack Helicopter wrote:
Fremenilia wrote:Full support, I would also support future resolutions that allow citizens to own their own nuclear armed attack helicopters, and napalm bombs etc.


The topic is about nuclear weapons. This includes nuclear submarines, nuclear text, and -- the best one to make -- a nuclear United States of Attack Helicopter.

Also, what do you think about ownership of ALL "dangerous" weapons legal (if they are deactivated)?

Your current version is again illegal per RITA clause 5 (Nations are allowed to define their internal arms and firearms policies barring the three enumerated exceptions), so we need not concern ourselves too much.

Edit: I see that you asked about this before posting your draft. NAPA's "wrong hands" clause felt weaker than RITA, but I'll just remind you that one member of GenSec advised you that allowing civilians nuclear weapons would presumably be illegal prior to this draft.
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Fremenilia wrote:Is there one stopping them from?


Presumably civilians count as "wrong hands" under NAPA, as there's little chance most civilians are able to secure such weapons from bad actors even if they themselves are perfectly virtuous and trustworthy.

Individual nations may have differing circumstances / YMMV.

So yeah, this is a joke. The charitable explanation is that we're laughing with the proposer, but alternatively we're laughing at the proposal.
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Postby Makko Oko » Tue May 24, 2022 5:29 pm

Fachumonn wrote:Why are we suddenly giving nuclear weapons to citizens? Honestly, one of the best ideas if you really want to destroy literally everything! This is so stupid. Full oppose. And yes, citizens will figure out a way to detonate them. Giving it to them for no reason is honestly dumb.


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Postby Outer Sparta » Tue May 24, 2022 8:28 pm

Pretty crap concept, pretty crap proposal. Why do you want civilians to own nukes? The government might not be trustful, but giving nukes unchecked to regular people is even worse than having it in the hands of the government.
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4 hours later, a letter was posted, addressed both to the World Assembly halls and personally to the leader of Attack Helicopter. Inside it read:

“To be frank, both this author and their resolution deserve no “dear”. No salutations at all. In fact, if self control were within my power I would quite frankly not be sending this letter at all, but I find myself so angered by the mere presence of this idea that I simply cannot control my hand as it burns its thoughts onto the stationary you see now.

This proposal is revolting. A mockery of safety; a mockery of human decency; and a mockery of this very council. You would do right to burn it on a pyre but I doubt you will. Extremists rarely listen to the sane.

Are you aware of how many have died from nuclear bombings across the entire realm. Neither am I. Do you know how many deaths I’ve personally watched? Billions. In an instant. Not at the hands of a government but those of a cult, a conspiracy wacko who sought salvation through destruction. That man built that bomb from scratch, peddling black market goods to acquire his parts. What makes you think giving people all those parts will help that problem? Oh yes, the so called “disabling” of a nuclear weapon definitely prevents it from being rebuilt and use to incur the wrath of god and Farakas down on all of us. As this information is clearly already well known to you I do not know what else to say.

This proposal is simply pitiful. Pitiful and disappointing.

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Postby PhilTech » Wed May 25, 2022 6:40 am

Allows nuclear weapons to be obtained by purchase, gift, manufacture, or any other manner which respects property rights does not respect and is in obedience with existing WA legislation does not obey existing WA legislation.


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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed May 25, 2022 6:45 am

"There seems to be no point to permitting ownership of disabled strategic weaponry. Either it can be activated, at which point all member states have a vested interest in preventing use outside of the established MAD paradigm, or it cannot and member states must allow dangerous radiological materiel to fall into the hands of just anybody.

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Postby Attack Helicopter » Wed May 25, 2022 6:48 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Attack Helicopter wrote:
The topic is about nuclear weapons. This includes nuclear submarines, nuclear text, and -- the best one to make -- a nuclear United States of Attack Helicopter.

Also, what do you think about ownership of ALL "dangerous" weapons legal (if they are deactivated)?

Your current version is again illegal per RITA clause 5 (Nations are allowed to define their internal arms and firearms policies barring the three enumerated exceptions), so we need not concern ourselves too much.

Edit: I see that you asked about this before posting your draft. NAPA's "wrong hands" clause felt weaker than RITA, but I'll just remind you that one member of GenSec advised you that allowing civilians nuclear weapons would presumably be illegal prior to this draft.
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Presumably civilians count as "wrong hands" under NAPA, as there's little chance most civilians are able to secure such weapons from bad actors even if they themselves are perfectly virtuous and trustworthy.

Individual nations may have differing circumstances / YMMV.

So yeah, this is a joke. The charitable explanation is that we're laughing with the proposer, but alternatively we're laughing at the proposal.


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Postby Fachumonn » Wed May 25, 2022 6:55 am

Attack Helicopter wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:Your current version is again illegal per RITA clause 5 (Nations are allowed to define their internal arms and firearms policies barring the three enumerated exceptions), so we need not concern ourselves too much.

Edit: I see that you asked about this before posting your draft. NAPA's "wrong hands" clause felt weaker than RITA, but I'll just remind you that one member of GenSec advised you that allowing civilians nuclear weapons would presumably be illegal prior to this draft.

So yeah, this is a joke. The charitable explanation is that we're laughing with the proposer, but alternatively we're laughing at the proposal.


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