I am new, what is Defender vs Raider?

[New Imperial Draconis]

I keep seeing these terms on this forum, what does Defender and Raider mean?


Also, hello. I just joined this site.

[Republic Of Ludwigsburg]

Basically, some regions "raid" other regions. The regions attacking are called raiders/invaders and the ones defending the attacks are called defenders. In a "raid" multiple people from the same region endorse one of their comrades and gain WA delegate which lets them ban people. Once they have done this they can WA ban many nations and password lock a region. This is a raid.

[New Imperial Draconis]

Basically, some regions "raid" other regions. The regions attacking are called raiders/invaders and the ones defending the attacks are called defenders. In a "raid" multiple people from the same region endorse one of their comrades and gain WA delegate which lets them ban people. Once they have done this they can WA ban many nations and password lock a region. This is a raid.

How is that allowed? I thought maybe it would be an in-character thing.

[Imperial Rifta]

I personally have never participated in this, but I tested it out early on, and got the general idea.

In regions, there is a WA Delegate, which is filled by the nation with the most endorsements. Unless the founder or another Officer takes away the privileges of the position, anyone who gets endorsed enough can kick or change anything about the region.

Different raiding groups will join these regions, endorse one of their own, and then they have full control over the region, and are free to “colonize” or customize it to their own liking.

Defenders will notice this, and join the conquered region themselves. Once they’ve joined, they’ll endorse one of their own until this player is the WA delegate. The Defender delegate will then do whatever they can to get the original embers back, and kick out the invaders. Once the raiders are kicked out, the region is liberated.

I hope this explains the concept to you, and like I said, I have never participated, so I might have left some stuff out, or gotten some details wrong.
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EDIT: I think some nations might make some of it IC, but it can be either.

[New Imperial Draconis]

I personally have never participated in this, but I tested it out early on, and got the general idea.

In regions, there is a WA Delegate, which is filled by the nation with the most endorsements. Unless the founder or another Officer takes away the privileges of the position, anyone who gets endorsed enough can kick or change anything about the region.

Different raiding groups will join these regions, endorse one of their own, and then they have full control over the region, and are free to “colonize” or customize it to their own liking.

Defenders will notice this, and join the conquered region themselves. Once they’ve joined, they’ll endorse one of their own until this player is the WA delegate. The Defender delegate will then do whatever they can to get the original embers back, and kick out the invaders. Once the raiders are kicked out, the region is liberated.

I hope this explains the concept to you, and like I said, I have never participated, so I might have left some stuff out, or gotten some details wrong.
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EDIT: I think some nations might make some of it IC, but it can be either.

Yeah, that seems like harassment.

[Tim-Opolis]

Basically, some regions "raid" other regions. The regions attacking are called raiders/invaders and the ones defending the attacks are called defenders. In a "raid" multiple people from the same region endorse one of their comrades and gain WA delegate which lets them ban people. Once they have done this they can WA ban many nations and password lock a region. This is a raid.

How is that allowed? I thought maybe it would be an in-character thing.

Alas no, Raiders are able to do so fully within the scope of game rules and destroy the hard work of others. Defenders (such as myself and my region The Order of The Grey Wardens which I saw you joined!) do what we can to stop this, usually to great success. This works using the twice-daily "update cycles" of NationStates, when regions elect new World Assembly Delegates based on what nations have the most endorsements. We do our best to stop raider nations from taking the Delegacies of regions when we see it happening. Thankfully we're successful more often than not, but it's still pretty hard work keeping NS safe If you want to know more, feel free to shoot me a telegram sometime!

[Quebecshire]

I keep seeing these terms on this forum, what does Defender and Raider mean?


Also, hello. I just joined this site.

Hi!

Raiders (aka invaders) are individuals and organizations that invade regions. They do this by seizing the World Assembly delegacies of vulnerable regions. They then often vandalize the region's world factbook entry, destroy its embassies, and even ban it's native residents. They do this to innocent communities for literal reason beyond their own amusement. In-game, it's a pretty crappy practice.

Defenders stop raiders. They do their best to block raids, and to free regions under the control of raiders. When regions are under the threat of damage or destruction, active defender militaries do their best to save those regions from raider control.

This whole concept is called "military gameplay" and is a big part of NationStates.

[New Imperial Draconis]

How is that allowed? I thought maybe it would be an in-character thing.

Alas no, Raiders are able to do so fully within the scope of game rules and destroy the hard work of others. Defenders (such as myself and my region The Order of The Grey Wardens which I saw you joined!) do what we can to stop this, usually to great success. This works using the twice-daily "update cycles" of NationStates, when regions elect new World Assembly Delegates based on what nations have the most endorsements. We do our best to stop raider nations from taking the Delegacies of regions when we see it happening. Thankfully we're successful more often than not, but it's still pretty hard work keeping NS safe If you want to know more, feel free to shoot me a telegram sometime!

Yeah, I don't think I want to be involved in that sort of weird, OOC type attack on something that someone built and put work into. I want to try roleplaying on this site, though!

[New Imperial Draconis]

I keep seeing these terms on this forum, what does Defender and Raider mean?


Also, hello. I just joined this site.

Hi!

Raiders (aka invaders) are individuals and organizations that invade regions. They do this by seizing the World Assembly delegacies of vulnerable regions. They then often vandalize the region's world factbook entry, destroy its embassies, and even ban it's native residents. They do this to innocent communities for literal reason beyond their own amusement. In-game, it's a pretty crappy practice.

Defenders stop raiders. They do their best to block raids, and to free regions under the control of raiders. When regions are under the threat of damage or destruction, active defender militaries do their best to save those regions from raider control.

This whole concept is called "military gameplay" and is a big part of NationStates.

Hi.

Yeah, it seems like a pretty childish and miserable thing to do to someone.

[Imperial Rifta]

Hi!

Raiders (aka invaders) are individuals and organizations that invade regions. They do this by seizing the World Assembly delegacies of vulnerable regions. They then often vandalize the region's world factbook entry, destroy its embassies, and even ban it's native residents. They do this to innocent communities for literal reason beyond their own amusement. In-game, it's a pretty crappy practice.

Defenders stop raiders. They do their best to block raids, and to free regions under the control of raiders. When regions are under the threat of damage or destruction, active defender militaries do their best to save those regions from raider control.

This whole concept is called "military gameplay" and is a big part of NationStates.

Hi.

Yeah, it seems like a pretty childish and miserable thing to do to someone.

If you have password lock your region, as well as remove the delegate’s powers, you can shut down most raids.

[WayNeacTia]

Alas no, Raiders are able to do so fully within the scope of game rules and destroy the hard work of others. Defenders (such as myself and my region The Order of The Grey Wardens which I saw you joined!) do what we can to stop this, usually to great success. This works using the twice-daily "update cycles" of NationStates, when regions elect new World Assembly Delegates based on what nations have the most endorsements. We do our best to stop raider nations from taking the Delegacies of regions when we see it happening. Thankfully we're successful more often than not, but it's still pretty hard work keeping NS safe If you want to know more, feel free to shoot me a telegram sometime!

Yeah, I don't think I want to be involved in that sort of weird, OOC type attack on something that someone built and put work into. I want to try roleplaying on this site, though!

Wise decision my friend. Unless you want to be drawn onto a quagmire of toxicity you are best to sat out of the R/D side.

[Queen Yuno]

Hi!

Raiders (aka invaders) are individuals and organizations that invade regions. They do this by seizing the World Assembly delegacies of vulnerable regions. They then often vandalize the region's world factbook entry, destroy its embassies, and even ban it's native residents. They do this to innocent communities for literal reason beyond their own amusement. In-game, it's a pretty crappy practice.

Defenders stop raiders. They do their best to block raids, and to free regions under the control of raiders. When regions are under the threat of damage or destruction, active defender militaries do their best to save those regions from raider control.

This whole concept is called "military gameplay" and is a big part of NationStates.

Hi.

Yeah, it seems like a pretty childish and miserable thing to do to someone.

Look please don't buy 100% into what the defenders are saying that make it sound like raiders are trolls.

Max Barry the game creator and mods ruled raiding as legal. It's a valid game mechanic.

You know how games sometimes have in-game scammers and that's legal and encouraged in certain games because the game creator likes the drama? That's basically NS. Only no drama comes out of this because practically all raided regions don't even notice that they've been raided, because they're all so dead and abandoned with no one there.

Plus most regions are unraidable. Regions only become raidable after the founder stops logging in for 28 or 60 consecutive days, and then it's still very hard to raid. Then there's nothing to gain either. Just some billboard space and sending the natives over to the rejected realms region (you can't steal nations). Honestly it's good that these regions get raided, they're basically unmoderated if there's no founder, it's basically the Wild West free for all.

Most of raiding is just tagging dead regions by changing their regional billboard to advertise raiding, but if the founder is active (which he isn't because only regions where the founder has abandoned it, tends to get raided), he/she can just change it back.

[Quebecshire]

Look please don't buy 100% into what the defenders are saying that make it sound like raiders are trolls.

Max Barry the game creator and mods ruled raiding as legal. It's a valid game mechanic.

Where did we say that raiders were trolls or contest it as a game mechanic? Feel free to point out where I said anything that is wrong by any objective measure. Best of luck.

[Queen Yuno]

Look please don't buy 100% into what the defenders are saying that make it sound like raiders are trolls.

Max Barry the game creator and mods ruled raiding as legal. It's a valid game mechanic.

Where did we say that raiders were trolls or contest it as a game mechanic? Feel free to point out where I said anything that is wrong by any objective measure. Best of luck.

Please, if you want to get all technical on me, where did I say that you claimed raiders are trolls or contested it as a game mechanic?

I said you, rather your prejudiced idea of raiders, make raiders SOUND like trolls.

And I already did point out how you were wrong

Nice try though.

[RiderSyl]

I keep seeing these terms on this forum, what does Defender and Raider mean?


Also, hello. I just joined this site.

Raiders use a loophole in the WA mechanic to take control of people's regions temporarily and vandalize it. Defenders uses this same loophole but use it to fight the raiders. Being really good at the loophole is valued more than anything, so you've got some folks that ride their talent to the top while being real jerks to everyone, making the whole community an awful place to be. Like Wayneactia said, it's better to sit out of it.

Also, admin/staff ruled the loophole as a legal thing, so raiders aren't breaking rules with their raids. If you've got an issue with that, you can get in line with roleplayers and other folks. I think the line is like 10 years long, at least.

[Porflox]

Hi.

Yeah, it seems like a pretty childish and miserable thing to do to someone.

Look please don't buy 100% into what the defenders are saying that make it sound like raiders are trolls.

Max Barry the game creator and mods ruled raiding as legal. It's a valid game mechanic.

You know how games sometimes have in-game scammers and that's legal and encouraged in certain games because the game creator likes the drama? That's basically NS. Only no drama comes out of this because practically all raided regions don't even notice that they've been raided, because they're all so dead and abandoned with no one there.

Plus most regions are unraidable. Regions only become raidable after the founder stops logging in for 28 or 60 consecutive days, and then it's still very hard to raid. Then there's nothing to gain either. Just some billboard space and sending the natives over to the rejected realms region (you can't steal nations). Honestly it's good that these regions get raided, they're basically unmoderated if there's no founder, it's basically the Wild West free for all.

Most of raiding is just tagging dead regions by changing their regional billboard to advertise raiding, but if the founder is active (which he isn't because only regions where the founder has abandoned it, tends to get raided), he/she can just change it back.

A legal troll is still a troll, and some raiders ceretainly are. Whether or not this vocal minority is actually representative of how most people who are involved in raiding feel is another story though, and I haven't been here long enough to comment on that.