Windows 10 to be Retired

[Shazbotdom]

When I get enough money together, I am going to build myself a behemoth of a desktop PC. I'm already eyeing a water-cooled case.

But what will be the OS?

I do like the look of Windows 11. And I do plan on having a couple HDD's in it, so I"ll probably dual boot it with W11 and Ubuntu or some other version of a Linux based OS.

[Valentine Z]

For those who cared quite a bit to know what it *might* be like: https://youtu.be/O54QwFD3gy4

Obligatory note that I'm not shilling for them. Just in my recommendations!

[Shazbotdom]

For those who cared quite a bit to know what it *might* be like: https://youtu.be/O54QwFD3gy4

Obligatory note that I'm not shilling for them. Just in my recommendations!

I'm a little buzzed, so I will look over that video tomorrow.

[CoraSpia]

Apparently my computer will work with windows 11, which surprises me as it's a piece of utter shit.

[Dazchan]

Apparently my computer will work with windows 11, which surprises me as it's a piece of utter shit.

Lucky you. According to the app, my processor isn't compatible.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

With your laptop only being 2 years old you should have the TPM setting - it'll just be disabled in the bios most likely.

You would think the Microsoft app might point that out if that is the case, so that I could do something about it.

Microsoft? Being user friendly?

They really should - it's such a crap app. Apparently it's been giving lots of false negatives too, even after people enable the software TPM.

I'm fucked regardless because apparently it's not going to work on first gen Ryzen chips, which is a bit annoying.

[Engadine Mcdonalds 1997]

When I first read the title I thought "Oh fuck, is this in a couple of months?", but hey, 4 years is still quite a while away so really I'm not too bothered by this info

[Saiwania]

With your laptop only being 2 years old you should have the TPM setting - it'll just be disabled in the bios most likely.

TPM's probably shouldn't really be needed. I'm not aware of what happens when those chips are activated, but I do know that this "secure boot" nonsense tries to make it so that you can't make your PC multi boot if you wanted to install a secondary OS like Linux. Too much security also doesn't allow you to run software that you know is safe but might not have some security certificate or whatever other arbitrary requirement like being apart of some app store. That is why many people jump through hoops to turn that off. I disapprove of the concept of a TPM if it causes more problems than it solves.

If my PC ever got truly screwed up, I could just restore everything from a known good backup.

[Cekoviu]

With your laptop only being 2 years old you should have the TPM setting - it'll just be disabled in the bios most likely.

TPM's probably shouldn't really be needed. I'm not aware of what happens when those chips are activated, but I do know that this "secure boot" nonsense tries to make it so that you can't make your PC multi boot if you wanted to install a secondary OS like Linux. Too much security also doesn't allow you to run software that you know is safe but might not have some security certificate or whatever other arbitrary requirement like being apart of some app store. That is why many people jump through hoops to turn that off. I disapprove of the concept of a TPM if it causes more problems than it solves.

If my PC ever got truly screwed up, I could just restore everything from a known good backup.

looking at microsoft's documentation of TPMs, they do seem incredibly unnecessary. the functions they implement are basically classic secure boot but worse, and then cryptographic key generation and management, which does not inherently need separate hardware. presumably the reason that windows 11 requires them is that the developers are too lazy to implement platform-compatible key generation. also might be a means of discouraging the use of non-windows operating systems in conjunction with windows because they don't want real linux competing with WSL (i'm not sure how locked-down TPMs typically make the system, but secure boot itself killed compatibility with many *nix systems and TPMs seem even stricter).

[Harmonic Empire]

Oh great another Microsoft OS with new batch of trashware and junkload RAM eating shit.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

It really feels like Microsoft are completely out of touch with what their OS customers want, and they don't care.

[Ghost Land]

Oh great another Microsoft OS with new batch of trashware and junkload RAM eating shit.

This.

It really feels like Microsoft are completely out of touch with what their OS customers want, and they don't care.

And this.

I'm sticking with Windows 7. I mean, this Windows 11 barely looks like Windows. So ugly.

[Forsher]

For those who cared quite a bit to know what it *might* be like: https://youtu.be/O54QwFD3gy4

Obligatory note that I'm not shilling for them. Just in my recommendations!

I'll watch the rest later but after 3min, I am confident I will not change this computer over.

[New Rogernomics]

It really feels like Microsoft are completely out of touch with what their OS customers want, and they don't care.

They really don't. This also has a chance to be worse than Vista, because Windows 11 is forcing folks to upgrade their hardware, not giving clear information to anyone on what is truly compatible as far as a system. They also brought this security device thing up out of the blue that now everyone will have to add to their motherboards to be compatible, if their computer hasn't been built in the last few years that is.

[Forsher]

It really feels like Microsoft are completely out of touch with what their OS customers want, and they don't care.

They really don't. This also has a chance to be worse than Vista, because Windows 11 is forcing folks to upgrade their hardware, not giving clear information to anyone on what is truly compatible as far as a system. They also brought this security device thing up out of the blue that now everyone will have to add to their motherboards to be compatible, if their computer hasn't been built in the last few years that is.

How many people really intend on not getting a new computer in four years' time.

[Cekoviu]

They really don't. This also has a chance to be worse than Vista, because Windows 11 is forcing folks to upgrade their hardware, not giving clear information to anyone on what is truly compatible as far as a system. They also brought this security device thing up out of the blue that now everyone will have to add to their motherboards to be compatible, if their computer hasn't been built in the last few years that is.

How many people really intend on not getting a new computer in four years' time.

can't speak for everyone, but personally i've been using the same desktop for 5 years (with hardware upgrades but all of those within the same generation) with no intention of getting newer hardware anytime soon. i'd do the same with a laptop were laptops sturdily constructed enough to actually last that long these days.

[Forsher]

How many people really intend on not getting a new computer in four years' time.

can't speak for everyone, but personally i've been using the same desktop for 5 years (with hardware upgrades but all of those within the same generation) with no intention of getting newer hardware anytime soon. i'd do the same with a laptop were laptops sturdily constructed enough to actually last that long these days.

9 years is a long time for a computer to function. And if you've been upgrading its hardware, I don't know if it really counts as typical user behaviour... seems like something only enthusiasts would bother with.

[Cekoviu]

can't speak for everyone, but personally i've been using the same desktop for 5 years (with hardware upgrades but all of those within the same generation) with no intention of getting newer hardware anytime soon. i'd do the same with a laptop were laptops sturdily constructed enough to actually last that long these days.

9 years is a long time for a computer to function. And if you've been upgrading its hardware, I don't know if it really counts as typical user behaviour... seems like something only enthusiasts would bother with.

well yes, i built the computer myself, people with prebuilt desktops wouldn't do so. but i only really upgraded the hardware so i could play a couple games that i wanted to play; my old hardware still would've been adequate otherwise. i figure if your average productivity-focused non-technical user had my same old hardware configuration starting at the same time i built mine, they could make it last a good 10 years without needing to get a new one or upgrade the hardware if not for windows trying to force it

[Grinning Dragon]

can't speak for everyone, but personally i've been using the same desktop for 5 years (with hardware upgrades but all of those within the same generation) with no intention of getting newer hardware anytime soon. i'd do the same with a laptop were laptops sturdily constructed enough to actually last that long these days.

9 years is a long time for a computer to function. And if you've been upgrading its hardware, I don't know if it really counts as typical user behaviour... seems like something only enthusiasts would bother with.

One of my old homebuilt computer (originally had XP then Win 7 pro when it came out in 2009), one of my kids is using is 15yrs old and still runs like a champ.
I also just built a new gaming rig around a year ago and bought the newest hardware that was out at the time (mobo, graph card, memory, cpu, M.2 hard drive) put it in a Lian Li server case I had laying around, so I don't see me building a new one in the next 4-5yrs either.

[Forsher]

9 years is a long time for a computer to function. And if you've been upgrading its hardware, I don't know if it really counts as typical user behaviour... seems like something only enthusiasts would bother with.

One of my old homebuilt computer (originally had XP then Win 7 pro when it came out in 2009), one of my kids is using is 15yrs old and still runs like a champ.
I also just built a new gaming rig around a year ago and bought the newest hardware that was out at the time (mobo, graph card, memory, cpu, M.2 hard drive) put it in a Lian Li server case I had laying around, so I don't see me building a new one in the next 4-5yrs either.

Well neither do I (as I said, my other laptop is a year and a half old) but the point is that pretty much everyone in this thread appears to have at least one story in the vein of "something I did to make the computer last longer" (e.g. I'm on the one I've installed Ubuntu on because of memory issues), so I'm not really sure we're representative of Windows users in general.

And even if we don't have that kind of story, we do seem to have ones in the vein of "my computer is X years old" or "I'm still using [insert old system here]". I mean, our old XP... I kept using that reasonably regularly up until 2015, and it began to crash a lot in either 2012 or 2013. We got it in 2006 (and it was low end). And the Windows 8.1 I replaced at the start of last year, I'd had since 2013/14... and that was mostly because the screen repair failed.

[Grinning Dragon]

One of my old homebuilt computer (originally had XP then Win 7 pro when it came out in 2009), one of my kids is using is 15yrs old and still runs like a champ.
I also just built a new gaming rig around a year ago and bought the newest hardware that was out at the time (mobo, graph card, memory, cpu, M.2 hard drive) put it in a Lian Li server case I had laying around, so I don't see me building a new one in the next 4-5yrs either.

Well neither do I (as I said, my other laptop is a year and a half old) but the point is that pretty much everyone in this thread appears to have at least one story in the vein of "something I did to make the computer last longer" (e.g. I'm on the one I've installed Ubuntu on because of memory issues), so I'm not really sure we're representative of Windows users in general.

And even if we don't have that kind of story, we do seem to have ones in the vein of "my computer is X years old" or "I'm still using [insert old system here]". I mean, our old XP... I kept using that reasonably regularly up until 2015, and it began to crash a lot in either 2012 or 2013. We got it in 2006 (and it was low end). And the Windows 8.1 I replaced at the start of last year, I'd had since 2013/14... and that was mostly because the screen repair failed.

I think one reasons for the reluctance is the cost of a new computer and trying to justify the expenditure when a current computer is running just fine. I know for myself the cost of buying the latest hardware when building a new computer is going run me into the thousands of dollars.

Well I do system maintenance weekly on the OS and installed programs as well as general system cleaning (clean the filters/blow out the dust,etc.)
I also periodically take a system image(ghost/acronis) just in case of a hard drive failure or a fubar'd windows update, etc. The only downside is anything from when the latest image was made information will be lost when restoring said image.

[Saiwania]

I think one reasons for the reluctance is the cost of a new computer and trying to justify the expenditure when a current computer is running just fine. I know for myself the cost of buying the latest hardware when building a new computer is going run me into the thousands of dollars.

Inflation is back in force in the US at 5% and its a bad time to buy technology in general because there is a global semiconductor shortage along with the supply chains for many other industries being screwed up- shortages of many things across the board.

8 GB of DDR3L RAM recently cost me $35 and everywhere else than Newegg was much more expensive, as in the $47+ dollar range. The place I ordered it from is now "out of stock" and has gone up in price as well.

[Minoa]

Scalper are also snapping up the TPMs, which means there is a risk of a mediocre early adoption rate that Microsoft hopes for.

Source: https://www.reviewgeek.com/90224/window ... up-prices/

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Another piece of pointless deckchair rearrangement - the blue screen of death will be black.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57695586

Wow what a major step forward in computing, users will be exploding with joy.

[Minoa]

Another piece of pointless deckchair rearrangement - the blue screen of death will be black.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57695586

Wow what a major step forward in computing, users will be exploding with joy.

Where’s Bertrand Serlet when I need him to point out how similar the new Windows 11 taskbar looks like the macOS dock.