[PASSED] Repeal: "The Rule Of Law"

[Greater Cesnica]

"Are there any additional points of feedback or criticism that we can receive at this time?"

[Bananaistan]

"Are there any additional points of feedback or criticism that we can receive at this time?"

"Yes, I have feedback/criticism. This is bad. Qualified immunity is not a universal evil and is good in certain circumstances."

[Greater Cesnica]

"Are there any additional points of feedback or criticism that we can receive at this time?"

"Yes, I have feedback/criticism. This is bad. Qualified immunity is not a universal evil and is good in certain circumstances."

"Well, we have seen this belief expressed in the companion thread. There is, unfortunately, an untenable divide between our delegations on the matter."

[Greater Cesnica]

OOC: We intend to submit within 48 hours.

[Greater Cesnica]

So I ended up submitting this like more than half a month later instead, but here we are.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1628016163

[URA World Assembly Affairs]

The United Regions Alliance recommends voting for this resolution https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1580615

[Sincluda]

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The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote FOR the General Assembly Repeal of GAR #374, "The Rule Of Law".
Its reasoning may be found here.

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[Merykor]

I believe that a full on repeal should only be done after a substitute has been created. It is a good law and, even with the exception, it helps greatly to curb tyranny. I don't even think section 2(a) should be completely erased, just changed to "diplomatic immunity", the only reasonable immunity that any country grants for any country IRL, no matter how any of the two are tyrannical, to the point of refusing it being considered a war crime. If such a resolution already exists, it'd be best to repeal it too since it'd contradict this one or be redundant, any of which should be prevented with the added bonus of simplifying world regulation.

[Sincluda]

I believe that a full on repeal should only be done after a substitute has been created. It is a good law and, even with the exception, it helps greatly to curb tyranny. I don't even think section 2(a) should be completely erased, just changed to "diplomatic immunity", the only reasonable immunity that any country grants for any country IRL, no matter how any of the two are tyrannical, to the point of refusing it being considered a war crime. If such a resolution already exists, it'd be best to repeal it too since it'd contradict this one or be redundant, any of which should be prevented with the added bonus of simplifying world regulation.

There is a replacement ready.

[Heavens Reach]

Noting that repeals on the basis of resolutions not being strong enough are often backed up by a promise of a replacement, only for a replacement never to materialize as an at vote resolution, and given the recent slew of such repeals, we advise a moratorium on voting "YES" on repeals of this nature, repeals of resolutions that are fatally flawed notwithstanding. Thus, we will be submitting a vote of NO on such proposals until replacements start making a habit of materializing at vote, and hope that others will follow suit. The last thing we need is for the WA to repeal perfectly good, albeit flawed, resolutions en masse on the promise of some kind of replacement actually materializing as an at vote resolution. And color us skeptical, but this seems to be too good of a turn of events for our more libertarian-minded WA members. It's a lot easier to get ambassadors and the people they represent on board with "let's fix this one bad thing about this otherwise perfect resolution!" than it is to get them on board with "fewer programs/protections."

[Reich Hungary]

I am asking this law has been adapted to these needs. I am voting against the law.

(1). Defines a 'referendum' as a consultation of the public in which all persons with legal competence in a member nation or an area thereof are asked to give their opinion about or decide on the political, legislative or societal question or issue laid before them

(2). Section 4 of GA 299 "Legal Competence" reserves to member nations "the right... to set reasonable thresholds of maturity... for people to hold any other rights or responsibilities within their jurisdictions... including but not limited to, whatever is legal there in terms of... criminal responsibility". This blocks the Assembly from passing legislation to abolish life imprisonment without parole for criminal offenders under the age of majority. The continuation of this provision, which cannot be eliminated but by full repeal of the resolution as a whole, entrenches injustice into international law.

(3). I delay is against international law and I remove to despair to the commission.

Novus Ordo Seclorum !

[Sierra Lyricalia]

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OOC: Please post on topic only. The topic of this thread is the repeal of GA Resolution #374. No other topic, other than RP based on this proposal, should be posted about in this thread. Thanks.

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[Greater Cesnica]

Noting that repeals on the basis of resolutions not being strong enough are often backed up by a promise of a replacement, only for a replacement never to materialize as an at vote resolution, and given the recent slew of such repeals, we advise a moratorium on voting "YES" on repeals of this nature, repeals of resolutions that are fatally flawed notwithstanding. Thus, we will be submitting a vote of NO on such proposals until replacements start making a habit of materializing at vote, and hope that others will follow suit. The last thing we need is for the WA to repeal perfectly good, albeit flawed, resolutions en masse on the promise of some kind of replacement actually materializing as an at vote resolution. And color us skeptical, but this seems to be too good of a turn of events for our more libertarian-minded WA members. It's a lot easier to get ambassadors and the people they represent on board with "let's fix this one bad thing about this otherwise perfect resolution!" than it is to get them on board with "fewer programs/protections."

My very first successful GA resolution was a repeal of "International Criminal Protocol", which I immediately followed up with a replacement resolution. I'm not sure why you're skeptical still.

[Texkentuck]

Our nation noticed that this repeal has overwhelming support.... This proposal is written better than what is being repealed but we don't think that the WA is in need of this proposal because we believe the majority follows their own rule of law. Our nation would repeal this proposal and the last because the UCCR believes if nations are following the law then why make it a law?... This proposal is written very well. Our nation would like to be in a WA but a WA that will acknowledge our nations citizens core value of our constitution in which no WA law would be able to stand against it... It's the rights of the unborn....All other laws passed or not passed would not stand in the way of our constitution which guarantees our citizens a right to be born....Now this would be interesting if the WA looked beyond the populism and thought about simply our nations core rule of law.....

For the record we would vote for the Rule of law because every nations should follow their own laws.....



President Bram W. Schirkophf
Texkentuck Monarchy Republic Federation
UCCR

[The Free Humans]

"This resolution did the exact opposite of what the name implies. Crime is crime whether a civilian does it or a man in uniform does. I invite any who believe qualified immunity is necessary to visit our nation, and find out what well-trained law enforcement looks like. When you have officers killing your people because they were holding a phone, it might be worth considering that your nation could do better." -Zuhairuh Amara

[Daarwyrth]

I believe that a full on repeal should only be done after a substitute has been created. It is a good law and, even with the exception, it helps greatly to curb tyranny. I don't even think section 2(a) should be completely erased, just changed to "diplomatic immunity", the only reasonable immunity that any country grants for any country IRL, no matter how any of the two are tyrannical, to the point of refusing it being considered a war crime. If such a resolution already exists, it'd be best to repeal it too since it'd contradict this one or be redundant, any of which should be prevented with the added bonus of simplifying world regulation.

OOC: The replacement was written at the same time as this draft and will be submitted the moment the repeal has passed. If you look at the OP of this thread you will find a link at the very top to the replacement proposal draft which is ready to go, barring any significant feedback.

[Texkentuck]

"This resolution did the exact opposite of what the name implies. Crime is crime whether a civilian does it or a man in uniform does. I invite any who believe qualified immunity is necessary to visit our nation, and find out what well-trained law enforcement looks like. When you have officers killing your people because they were holding a phone, it might be worth considering that your nation could do better." -Zuhairuh Amara

It would be nice if the WA would put in a proposal that make sure law enforcement will follow a rules of engagement with a criminal and no one pays the ultimate price for shoplifting. Also a proposal that makes sure that criminals when apprehended with other officers on the scene aren't able to continue to apply unnecessary apprehension to a criminal which could cause harm to the individual. Our nation has professionals in law enforcement who make sure that the rule of law is as followed. It's true that the Rule of law is vague towards your concern in other nations. If your nation draws up a good proposal we may join the WA soon and vote in support of your proposal....The Rule of Law must be upheld by all....

Our nation is still very much would like to see a proposal that will uphold the basics of our constitution and others like ours...

President Bram W. Schirkophf
Texkentuck Monarchy Republic Federation
Union of Capitalist Conservative Republic

[Fachumonn]

I voted for because this proposal is necessary to prevent qualified immunity's ability to spread corruption.

[Velosia]

"Where does the subject of riot control factor into the 'use of violence and force'? The Velosian delegation does not endorse the use of force when it comes to maintaining law and order on a day-to-day basis, but we accept that it is sometimes necessary, even in a democratic society, for the state to restore the peace. Should spontaneous, violent acts of mass civil disobedience in major urban areas, like the infamous Ethalstad Riots of 1984, be allowed to spiral out of control simply because the officers on the ground are too scared to act out of fear of prosecution?"

[Texkentuck]

"Where does the subject of riot control factor into the 'use of violence and force'? The Velosian delegation does not endorse the use of force when it comes to maintaining law and order on a day-to-day basis, but we accept that it is sometimes necessary, even in a democratic society, for the state to restore the peace. Should spontaneous, violent acts of mass civil disobedience in major urban areas, like the infamous Ethalstad Riots of 1984, be allowed to spiral out of control simply because the officers on the ground are too scared to act out of fear of prosecution?"

We agree with your nation if their is anything on law and order and proper engagement to maintain peace we hope your nations concerns are factored into the proposal... We don't want chaos either in our nation....

Pres. Bram W. Schirkophf
Texkentuck Monarchy Republic Federation
UCCR

[Tinhampton]

Repeal "The Rule of Law" was passed 11,573 votes to 964.

92.31% support!!!

[Sincluda]

Quite the impressive margin!

[Daarwyrth]

Repeal "The Rule of Law" was passed 11,573 votes to 964.

92.31% support!!!

OOC: Thank you all for your support and votes! Now that the repeal has passed, Greater Cesnica and I will work on ensuring that the replacement will pass as soon as possible.