Bethany Christian Services Extends LGBT Policy Nationwide

[Alcala-Cordel]

I'd say inclusive communities that distribute resources to all in need would be great for young people. Being impoverished/homeless is what's not okay.

Absolutely, but the problem with communist communities is that they don't produce enough wealth to distribute. You've got to have the division of labor, open trade, charities, and government programs to reach the poor. A joke. Two Soviets are starving and waiting in a bread line. One starts to complain. The other hushes them and says, "In America they don't even have breadlines!"

If history teaches anything it's that we shouldn't squander our freedom to do business.

The Soviet Union wasn't communist so it's hardly a good example.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

So what alternative do you propose? Government monopoly over adoption services?

I agree about religious orgs not having control over adoption services. Only governments and secular charities should.

So what alternative do you propose? Government monopoly over adoption services?

Yes, with increased funding.

Agreed.

Absolutely, but the problem with communist communities is that they don't produce enough wealth to distribute. You've got to have the division of labor, open trade, charities, and government programs to reach the poor. A joke. Two Soviets are starving and waiting in a bread line. One starts to complain. The other hushes them and says, "In America they don't even have breadlines!"

If history teaches anything it's that we shouldn't squander our freedom to do business.

The Soviet Union wasn't communist so it's hardly a good example.

No country has ever been communist. Communism was the goal, not the means.

[Bursken]

There's nothing wrong with it if it doesn't cause harm.

im not saying its morally wrong im saying theres a screw loose in ur brain

So you are saying that being LGBTQI+ is not wrong, but wrong? So it's fine to be gay, but something is wrong with you biologically? Because that sounds like a load of rubbish. Being gay is not a biological deficiency.

EDIT: Removal of insult

[Tsaivao]

im not saying its morally wrong im saying theres a screw loose in ur brain

So you are saying that being LGBTQI+ is not wrong, but wrong? So it's fine to be gay, but something is wrong with you biologically? Because that sounds like a load of rubbish. Being gay is not a biological deficiency, moron.

Easy, my guy, he's already gotten a one-week ban for trolling, he's not gonna respond.

Absolutely, but the problem with communist communities is that they don't produce enough wealth to distribute. You've got to have the division of labor, open trade, charities, and government programs to reach the poor. A joke. Two Soviets are starving and waiting in a bread line. One starts to complain. The other hushes them and says, "In America they don't even have breadlines!"

If history teaches anything it's that we shouldn't squander our freedom to do business.

The Soviet Union wasn't communist so it's hardly a good example.

That is... an interesting take...

I would say the same for all of the world's current governments except the Zapatista municipalities and maybe some of the better parts of Rojava.

I don't think that environment which propagate communism are good for young people. It's ok to learn about, but when you're older. In my opinion it's the type of stuff that threatens order and the stability of society.

Also a strange take. I fail to see exactly how "giving excess to the poor" is going to make society worse.

[Reploid Productions]

moron.

Your post was perfectly fine RIGHT up to here. *** Bursken, WARNED for flaming. ***

[The Marlborough]

I'd say inclusive communities that distribute resources to all in need would be great for young people. Being impoverished/homeless is what's not okay.

Absolutely, but the problem with communist communities is that they don't produce enough wealth to distribute. You've got to have the division of labor, open trade, charities, and government programs to reach the poor. A joke. Two Soviets are starving and waiting in a bread line. One starts to complain. The other hushes them and says, "In America they don't even have breadlines!"

If history teaches anything it's that we shouldn't squander our freedom to do business.

For a fair amount of time, people in the USSR had more disposable income than they knew what to do with. This is how so many families were able to afford decent sized dachas.

[Suriyanakhon]

This is good news, as someone in a same sex relationship who wants to adopt some day, children deserve to have a good home regardless of the sexual orientation or gender identity of their parents.

[Kannap]

I would say the same for all of the world's current governments except the Zapatista municipalities and maybe some of the better parts of Rojava.

I don't think that environment which propagate communism are good for young people. It's ok to learn about, but when you're older. In my opinion it's the type of stuff that threatens order and the stability of society.

I dunno, capitalism is a complete failure from my perspective, we ought to try something new.

[Sundiata]

I don't think that environments which propagate communism are good for young people. It's ok to learn about, but when you're older. In my opinion it's the type of stuff that threatens order and the stability of society.

I dunno, capitalism is a complete failure from my perspective, we ought to try something new.

We should improve what we've already got but Communism needs to stay off of the table.

[Kannap]

I'd say inclusive communities that distribute resources to all in need would be great for young people. Being impoverished/homeless is what's not okay.

Absolutely, but the problem with communist communities is that they don't produce enough wealth to distribute. You've got to have the division of labor, open trade, charities, and government programs to reach the poor. A joke. Two Soviets are starving and waiting in a bread line. One starts to complain. The other hushes them and says, "In America they don't even have breadlines!"

If history teaches anything it's that we shouldn't squander our freedom to do business.

Food pantry lines have multiplied immensely in the last year, and were already multiplying before the pandemic anyway. I volunteered for a food pantry and the numbers of people needing food were constantly growing.

I get the whole bread line joke is a constant part of making fun of the Soviet Union, which is really a boring joke at this point - they've been dissolved for how long now? But especially shit of a joke when, in fact, America basically does have bread lines, and they're growing.

Not to mention anytime grocery store shelves are empty in America, people like to take pictures and say "lol Venezuela" but hey, Venezuela has stocked grocery stores - you're taking a picture of empty shelves in Boston, a capitalist society.

[Suriyanakhon]

I would say the same for all of the world's current governments except the Zapatista municipalities and maybe some of the better parts of Rojava.

I don't think that environment which propagate communism are good for young people. It's ok to learn about, but when you're older. In my opinion it's the type of stuff that threatens order and the stability of society.

Communism would be much better for younger people than capitalism is, given how detached and consumerist human beings have become under the latter.

[The Alma Mater]

I would say the same for all of the world's current governments except the Zapatista municipalities and maybe some of the better parts of Rojava.

I don't think that environment which propagate communism are good for young people. It's ok to learn about, but when you're older. In my opinion it's the type of stuff that threatens order and the stability of society.

Many people have the same idea about christianity. Should that be 18+ as well ?
Though this is veering of topic. Perhaps a new thread ?

[The Alma Mater]

It's a good thing since it means that more kids will be able to be placed in homes with loving parents, though I disagree with the government trying to force religious adoption agencies to choose between working with LGBT couples or losing their contract, to me that seems like the government looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Yes and no. The thing is, if the government allows an external party to do the governments job, like issuing permits or arranging adoptions, they have to make sure that party adheres to the same standard as the government. You cannot have an organisation refusing to issue voter IDs to blacks, building permits to women or, indeed, the possibility to adopt to gays if government policy is that those groups DO have said rights.

Sadly, this indeed does mean that less organisations will qualify and that for some people getting their permit or whatever is indeed harder than when e.g. the KKK would be allowed to issue them.

[Kannap]

It's a good thing since it means that more kids will be able to be placed in homes with loving parents, though I disagree with the government trying to force religious adoption agencies to choose between working with LGBT couples or losing their contract, to me that seems like the government looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Yes and no. The thing is, if the government allows an external party to do the governments job, like issuing permits or arranging adoptions, they have to make sure that party adheres to the same standard as the government. You cannot have an organisation refusing to issue voter IDs to blacks, building permits to women or, indeed, the possibility to adopt to gays if government policy is that those groups DO have said rights.

Sadly, this indeed does mean that less organisations will qualify and that for some people getting their permit or whatever is indeed harder than when e.g. the KKK would be allowed to issue them.

Exactly, these private organizations actively choose to provide a service that the government should be providing, and the government allows them to by granting them the contracts to do so. The very least these organizations can do be held to the standards of the government in regards to laws on discrimination and other such federal, state, or local laws. The government reserves the right to deny them or revoke their contracts should they not maintain such standards.

[The Free Joy State]

This is excellent news that should help see more children placed in capable, loving families.

[Northern Socialist Council Republics]

On a broader point, why do we allow private agencies to handle adoptions and foster care? That sounds like a disaster in the making. Nationalise the entire industry and enforce common standards.

[Great Brytain and Ireland]

It is good the organisation is no longer letting its employees’ personal views get in the way of children finding good families to take them in. Non-heterosexual people shouldn’t be excluded from adopting.

[Kernen]

normal non-broken humans with biological drives to have children who don't want the human race to die off, i would presume

*vaguely gestures at everything* why would you want to bring a child into this hell world?

Besides, I would never want to bring a child into the world when there are already millions of children without parents that need to be adopted.

Completely ignoring your "normal non-broken humans" comment its utterly rubbish.

Idk, some of us think our genetics are worthwhile to pass on. Some of us need that biological umph to actually like kids.

[The Two Jerseys]

It's a good thing since it means that more kids will be able to be placed in homes with loving parents, though I disagree with the government trying to force religious adoption agencies to choose between working with LGBT couples or losing their contract, to me that seems like the government looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Yes and no. The thing is, if the government allows an external party to do the governments job, like issuing permits or arranging adoptions, they have to make sure that party adheres to the same standard as the government. You cannot have an organisation refusing to issue voter IDs to blacks, building permits to women or, indeed, the possibility to adopt to gays if government policy is that those groups DO have said rights.

Sadly, this indeed does mean that less organisations will qualify and that for some people getting their permit or whatever is indeed harder than when e.g. the KKK would be allowed to issue them.

It really is being stuck between a rock and a hard place. From a strictly utilitarian point of view, I'd at least argue that allowing religious adoption agencies to assist heterosexual couples only would help free up manpower at other adoption agencies so that they can assist more LGBT couples, and in the end we get as many kids as possible adopted.

[Katganistan]

I would say the same for all of the world's current governments except the Zapatista municipalities and maybe some of the better parts of Rojava.

I don't think that environment which propagate communism are good for young people. It's ok to learn about, but when you're older. In my opinion it's the type of stuff that threatens order and the stability of society.

Guess Jesus shouldn't have shared those loaves and fishes.

[Katganistan]

On a broader point, why do we allow private agencies to handle adoptions and foster care? That sounds like a disaster in the making. Nationalise the entire industry and enforce common standards.

Unfortunately, our government has proved time and again that they are utterly incompetent at handling the welfare of the poor, homeless, and of children.

[The Reformed American Republic]

On a broader point, why do we allow private agencies to handle adoptions and foster care? That sounds like a disaster in the making. Nationalise the entire industry and enforce common standards.

Unfortunately, our government has proved time and again that they are utterly incompetent at handling the welfare of the poor, homeless, and of children.

We need reforms for sure.

[Sundiata]

I don't think that environments which propagate communism are good for young people. It's ok to learn about, but when you're older. In my opinion it's the type of stuff that threatens order and the stability of society.

Guess Jesus shouldn't have shared those loaves and fishes.

The materialist focus, it's nice to share food and have food but that isn't the big picture. My contention with communism is that it misses the big picture.

[Suriyanakhon]

I dunno, capitalism is a complete failure from my perspective, we ought to try something new.

We should improve what we've already got but Communism needs to stay off of the table.

It's pretty hard to improve something that is nonviable for the future and is resulting in massive income gaps and natural destruction.

[Sundiata]

We should improve what we've already got but Communism needs to stay off of the table.

It's pretty hard to improve something that is nonviable for the future and is resulting in massive income gaps and natural destruction.

Well, the core of what I am saying is that every single person should own private property. That my property starts where yours ends.