Spain's Free Speech Protests

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However justified one thinks the Catalan secession movement is irrelevant to the fact that the Spanish government is suppressing political speech. I would be no less appalled if it this were happening in America in regards to someone wanting to have an independent Texas as a right-wing hellhole even though I would think such a person is a dipshit.

And everything Spain has done has only enforced my sympathy for the Catalan independence movement. They unleashed horrendous police brutality on people who were peacefully voting. They were going to reject the referendum no matter what so what was the point of that? And now they're suppressing speech in a very extreme way for a western democracy.

Any serious government would and should suppress sedition, separatism, and terrorism. Arresting a prominent sympathizer of separatist and terrorist movements is just common sense, especially when said person is influential, like a rapper

Sedition is a bullshit catch-all for anything a state doesn't like. During WW1 Americans were charged with sedition for saying "hey why the fuck should some 18 farm boy from Iowa die in some war between European monarchs?"

And suppressing separatism is the height of hypocrisy when half the states on this planet came about as the result of separatism, whether revolution (the US and every country in South America), decolonization (almost all of Africa and much of Asia), or seizing the opportunity when an empire falls apart (all the former USSR states, the Balkans).

If we don't have free association, we don't have freedom at all.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

unfortunately, yeah
i can't figure out if that's supposed to be electoral math or not
maybe he's afraid Iglesias will start running his mouth

Maybe...or it's just trying to keep the parts about sympathising with terrorist groups and trying to make all Catalan separatists seem like terrorists.

Seems like a perfectly good stance, any government should suppress separatist movements, the American obsession with "compromise" and "freedom" is what led to the US Civil War in the first place. If you concede there’s nothing wrong with arresting him for advocating separatism and sympathizing with terrorists, then what’s all the fuss about?

[Shrillland]

Maybe...or it's just trying to keep the parts about sympathising with terrorist groups and trying to make all Catalan separatists seem like terrorists.

Seems like a perfectly good stance, any government should suppress separatist movements, the American obsession with "compromise" and "freedom" is what led to the US Civil War in the first place. If you concede there’s nothing wrong with arresting him for advocating separatism and sympathizing with terrorists, then what’s all the fuss about?

It's not about those parts, it's that he was arrested for criticising the monarchy and the courts as well. The Public Security Law is putting him in gaol for things that shouldn't be crimes. There aren't that many other countries in the TGN where diss tracks for judges can get you arrested.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Any serious government would and should suppress sedition, separatism, and terrorism. Arresting a prominent sympathizer of separatist and terrorist movements is just common sense, especially when said person is influential, like a rapper

Sedition is a bullshit catch-all for anything a state doesn't like. During WW1 Americans were charged with sedition for saying "hey why the fuck should some 18 farm boy from Iowa die in some war between European monarchs?"

And suppressing separatism is the height of hypocrisy when half the states on this planet came about as the result of separatism, whether revolution (the US and every country in South America), decolonization (almost all of Africa and much of Asia), or seizing the opportunity when an empire falls apart (all the former USSR states, the Balkans).

If we don't have free association, we don't have freedom at all.

The idea that we currently have "freedom" is an illusion. The very existence of laws is the anthisesis to absolute freedom, absolute freedom was never part of human nature.

Separatist movements threaten the very security of the state itself, the core of the nation. Any reasonable government would do everything in their power to put these movements down, and Spain is full of them. The Catalan and Basque ones are the most famous, but there even exists small Galician and Valencian separatist groups

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Sedition is a bullshit catch-all for anything a state doesn't like. During WW1 Americans were charged with sedition for saying "hey why the fuck should some 18 farm boy from Iowa die in some war between European monarchs?"

And suppressing separatism is the height of hypocrisy when half the states on this planet came about as the result of separatism, whether revolution (the US and every country in South America), decolonization (almost all of Africa and much of Asia), or seizing the opportunity when an empire falls apart (all the former USSR states, the Balkans).

If we don't have free association, we don't have freedom at all.

The idea that we currently have "freedom" is an illusion. The very existence of laws is the anthisesis to absolute freedom, absolute freedom was never part of human nature.

Separatist movements threaten the very security of the state itself, the core of the nation. Any reasonable government would do everything in their power to put these movements down, and Spain is full of them. The Catalan and Basque ones are the most famous, but there even exists small Galician and Valencian separatist groups

I actually agree 100% with everything you said, but I think we have very different conclusions about what to do.

I agree that a reasonable government would do everything in its power to suppress secession in the same way I agree that a reasonable serial killer would do everything he can to make sure his victim can't escape.