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What has Israel ever done for us?

Postby East Blepia » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:46 pm

This is a legitimate inquiry. Virtually the whole body of our (American) foreign policy in the Middle East, i.e. towards over one billion Muslims, is based on the interests of Israel. We have even recently recognized Moroccan sovereignty over the Western Sahara, the same issue over which they were made to leave the African Union, in exchange for their recognition of Israel. All of the Iran nonsense over the past years would not have been a blip on our radar were it not for our ties and action on behalf of Israel. We would not need to be in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Syria, if it were not for the flaming resentment these Islamic extremists hold for us due to our incessant support for Israel.

Therefore why should an American politician, whose first interest in foreign policy was America, and not some other goal or allegiance, wish to remain so aligned to Israel as we are?
20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, 10 years in Syria, constant brinksmanship with Iran, $230 billion[1] and counting in military and economic aid to a first-world country, and the agitation of Islamic extremism[2] causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths is not enough. America MUST do more for Israel. If you ask what we get in exchange, you are an anti-semite.

1. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "As of March 2020, in 2018 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S.
aid to Israel... is $236 billion."

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple...You attacked us in Palestine...the degree of American support for Israel"

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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:50 pm

Israel has... screwed with anything Iranian... and... attacked US ships... violated UN resolutions... wait...
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Postby Hauva » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:53 pm

It's name's not Israel, but rather the Zionist entity.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:54 pm

Nothing good. Also, oh boy, this thread is gonna be FUN.
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Postby Celestial Wave » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:56 pm

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Postby Townsvalley » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:56 pm

Even middle eastern people don't want America you can get that idea fairly easily
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Postby Centrallonia » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:58 pm

Israel and Iran might not be getting along now but both Israel and Iran use to have good diplomatic ties before the monarchy was toppled in the 1979 revolution.

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Postby East Blepia » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:58 pm

I am rather disappointed; it seems so far that we are all in agreement. At least the people of NSG are enlightened.
20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, 10 years in Syria, constant brinksmanship with Iran, $230 billion[1] and counting in military and economic aid to a first-world country, and the agitation of Islamic extremism[2] causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths is not enough. America MUST do more for Israel. If you ask what we get in exchange, you are an anti-semite.

1. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "As of March 2020, in 2018 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S.
aid to Israel... is $236 billion."

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple...You attacked us in Palestine...the degree of American support for Israel"

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:59 pm

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Postby Punished UMN » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:59 pm

Centrallonia wrote:Israel and Iran might not be getting along now but both Israel and Iran use to have good diplomatic ties before the monarchy was toppled in the 1979 revolution.

Have you considered how these two events might be related?
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Postby East Blepia » Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:59 pm

Centrallonia wrote:Israel and Iran might not be getting along now but both Israel and Iran use to have good diplomatic ties before the monarchy was toppled in the 1979 revolution.

Yes, because it was imposed as part of the 1953 coup.
20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, 10 years in Syria, constant brinksmanship with Iran, $230 billion[1] and counting in military and economic aid to a first-world country, and the agitation of Islamic extremism[2] causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths is not enough. America MUST do more for Israel. If you ask what we get in exchange, you are an anti-semite.

1. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "As of March 2020, in 2018 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S.
aid to Israel... is $236 billion."

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple...You attacked us in Palestine...the degree of American support for Israel"

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Postby Punished UMN » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:04 pm

Hauva wrote:It's name's not Israel, but rather the Zionist entity.

One of the biggest mistakes of the Anti-Zionist movement was to give credence to the Zionist regime's claims to be the sole legitimate representative of Jewish people, this gave the Zionist regime a lot more political clout internationally as well as giving them coercive power over (especially Arab) Jews who were now outcasts in their communities despite having no affiliation with the Zionist movement and being broadly supportive of the Arab cause. Emphasis should have been given in propaganda to the Zionist movements attempt to usurp and hold Jewishness hostage to the settler regime.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:10 pm

Israel helps the United States manage its influence over the Middle East, and giving them weapons is good for the military-industrial complex

Townsvalley wrote:Even middle eastern people don't want America you can get that idea fairly easily

Of course not, but you see we reeeeally want to repeatedly "liberate" them.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:15 pm

East Blepia wrote:This is a legitimate inquiry. Virtually the whole body of our (American) foreign policy in the Middle East, i.e. towards over one billion Muslims, is based on the interests of Israel. We have even recently recognized Moroccan sovereignty over the Western Sahara, the same issue over which they were made to leave the African Union, in exchange for their recognition of Israel. All of the Iran nonsense over the past years would not have been a blip on our radar were it not for our ties and action on behalf of Israel. We would not need to be in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Syria, if it were not for the flaming resentment these Islamic extremists hold for us due to our incessant support for Israel.

Therefore why should an American politician, whose first interest in foreign policy was America, and not some other goal or allegiance, wish to remain so aligned to Israel as we are?

Actually, you (Americans) are in Afghanistan because you had the great idea of creating militant Islamic fundies back in the '80s.
As for Syria, you're there because Turkey and Saudi Arabia want you there.
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Postby East Blepia » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:16 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:Israel helps the United States manage its influence over the Middle East, and giving them weapons is good for the military-industrial complex


We have plenty of allies in the Middle East already.

* We have bases in Syria (via our alliance with some of the warring factions there)

* We are still militarily present in Iraq and Afghanistan

* We are allied to, and have bases in Turkey

* We have a large presence in Kuwait

* We have a naval base in Bahrain

* We have assorted presences in several other Middle Eastern states

There are more countries in the middle east in which American forces are present than not.

Giving military aid to Israel, and thus causing the production of weapons, is beneficial to the military industrial complex, it is true. But we must consider that this money could be used for much more constructive purposes, or used to furnish our $20 trillion in debt.
20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, 10 years in Syria, constant brinksmanship with Iran, $230 billion[1] and counting in military and economic aid to a first-world country, and the agitation of Islamic extremism[2] causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths is not enough. America MUST do more for Israel. If you ask what we get in exchange, you are an anti-semite.

1. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "As of March 2020, in 2018 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S.
aid to Israel... is $236 billion."

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple...You attacked us in Palestine...the degree of American support for Israel"

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It's a place we park our planes for our middle east wars. Think of it as like one giant air force base.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:20 pm

Risottia wrote:
East Blepia wrote:This is a legitimate inquiry. Virtually the whole body of our (American) foreign policy in the Middle East, i.e. towards over one billion Muslims, is based on the interests of Israel. We have even recently recognized Moroccan sovereignty over the Western Sahara, the same issue over which they were made to leave the African Union, in exchange for their recognition of Israel. All of the Iran nonsense over the past years would not have been a blip on our radar were it not for our ties and action on behalf of Israel. We would not need to be in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Syria, if it were not for the flaming resentment these Islamic extremists hold for us due to our incessant support for Israel.

Therefore why should an American politician, whose first interest in foreign policy was America, and not some other goal or allegiance, wish to remain so aligned to Israel as we are?

Actually, you (Americans) are in Afghanistan because you had the great idea of creating militant Islamic fundies back in the '80s.
As for Syria, you're there because Turkey and Saudi Arabia want you there.


What kind of historical revisionism is this lol. If anyone created militant Islamic fundies it was al-Otaybi when he took over Mecca. While his revolt failed it normalized hardline fundamentalism because the monarchy didn't want to fight them and found it easier to give them power.
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Postby Insaanistan » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:20 pm

Risottia wrote:
East Blepia wrote:This is a legitimate inquiry. Virtually the whole body of our (American) foreign policy in the Middle East, i.e. towards over one billion Muslims, is based on the interests of Israel. We have even recently recognized Moroccan sovereignty over the Western Sahara, the same issue over which they were made to leave the African Union, in exchange for their recognition of Israel. All of the Iran nonsense over the past years would not have been a blip on our radar were it not for our ties and action on behalf of Israel. We would not need to be in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Syria, if it were not for the flaming resentment these Islamic extremists hold for us due to our incessant support for Israel.

Therefore why should an American politician, whose first interest in foreign policy was America, and not some other goal or allegiance, wish to remain so aligned to Israel as we are?

Actually, you (Americans) are in Afghanistan because you had the great idea of creating militant Islamic fundies back in the '80s.
As for Syria, you're there because Turkey and Saudi Arabia want you there.


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1. They're a middle eastern country that doesn't hate us, so we can use them to have some influence in the region.
2. We can sell them a ton of weapons and be pretty sure they won't go to terrorists this time.
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Postby East Blepia » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:22 pm

Risottia wrote:
Actually, you (Americans) are in Afghanistan because you had the great idea of creating militant Islamic fundies back in the '80s.
As for Syria, you're there because Turkey and Saudi Arabia want you there.


Yes, we funded the Afghan mujahideen in the 80s, but that was only another Cold War proxy conflict. Our modern involvement in Afghanistan is due to the 9/11 attacks, which would not have happened were it not for our support for Israel.

The Turkish government never found the Syrian government to be a nuisance as I am aware. Their first as well as main offensives have been against the SDF - the fighting against Syria proper has only began within the past year both to prevent the fall of Idlib as well as due to increased Syrian co-operation with the SDF i.e. during and after Operation Peace Spring.
20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan, 10 years in Syria, constant brinksmanship with Iran, $230 billion[1] and counting in military and economic aid to a first-world country, and the agitation of Islamic extremism[2] causing tens of thousands of civilian deaths is not enough. America MUST do more for Israel. If you ask what we get in exchange, you are an anti-semite.

1. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf "As of March 2020, in 2018 U.S. dollars (inflation-adjusted), total U.S.
aid to Israel... is $236 billion."

2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver "Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple...You attacked us in Palestine...the degree of American support for Israel"

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Postby Celestial Wave » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:24 pm

Silvedania wrote:
Celestial Wave wrote:*Grabs popcorn*
Whelp, I don't know about the rest of you, but I'll be in my underground bunker watching this sh*tshow.

I’ll be there too. In mine, I mean.

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Postby Dowunda » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:24 pm

Insaanistan wrote:
Risottia wrote:Actually, you (Americans) are in Afghanistan because you had the great idea of creating militant Islamic fundies back in the '80s.
As for Syria, you're there because Turkey and Saudi Arabia want you there.


Northern Alliance: Hi, America! We’re pro-democracy, pro-women’s rights, pro-modernization Muslims!
America: Hm... nah!
Taliban: I like to blow up or execute anyone who doesn’t agree Sunni straight Muslim men are superior to all.
America: Cool, here’s some money and guns.


Also Taliban: We hate the Soviets too. So we want to help you and we will totally not cause the deaths of thousands and destroy two buildings.
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