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ISSUE IDEA: Bad Cop. What you gonna do when they come for yo

Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:21 am

This is based off compilations of movies I've seen. Given BLM protests, I wasn't sure if it was appropriate to write a police misconduct issue, but Free Joy gave me the all clear, so here it is. Given the last option, I don't know how to make this issue for nations that have no cash and/or no private vehicles

[title] Bad Cops. What you gonna do when they come for you?

[validity] high crime, high corruption, must have a military, must be capitalist

[desc] Many police officers in Greenville were caught taking bribes from the McRoin Brothers, the city's largest organised crime syndicate, whilst many other police officers were the McRoin Brothers' best customers. News of the decades of corruption has reached the public, who are demanding you do something about it.

[option] "You need to do something!" cries @@RANDOMNAME@@, who escaped kidnapping. “It was horrible. "First they tied me up, then they gaged me, and when I tried to escape, they tortured me by reading to me from Max Barry's "Jennifer Government". It was horrible! I got out of there before I found out what they wanted from me. Send in the national police, send in the military to clear them out!"
[effect] the military imprisons accountants who make minor taxation errors

[effect] "That won't do!" Comments Michael Cannelloni, a successful business man, who got your attention by scratching a chalk board. "I would suggest that you help them legitimatise. Most organised crime syndicates ultimately desire wealth. If the government assists them to become a legitimate business, then they could make billions instead of trillions. Wait, that's not right. In either case, help them legitimise!"
[effect] the government will overlook the alleged crimes of anyone who pays their taxes

[option] Suddenly, a semi-trailer full of cash backs into your office. The driver, who appears to be Phil McRoin, (the kingpin of the organisation in question), sticks his head out the window and says "you didn' see notin'. Capishe? You didn' notin'!" He dumps the load, as well as a horses head, on your office floor and drives off
[effect] "I know nothing!" is @@LEADER@@’s new catch phrase
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:24 am

Is it that easy to get rid of an organised crime syndicate?
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:32 am

Honeydewistania wrote:Is it that easy to get rid of an organised crime syndicate?

Thanks for the feedback, but how exactly is this an "easy" process? The first option involves sending in the damned military. The second option suggests legitimising them. Either of those would be long, painstakingly arguous processes. Just because explaining how either would work is beyond the scope this issue, it doesn't mean that either option is "easy". The third option involves become part of the problem by taking bribes and being just as corrupt as the rest of them
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:34 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Is it that easy to get rid of an organised crime syndicate?

Thanks for the feedback, but how exactly is this an "easy" process? The first option involves sending in the damned military. The second option suggests legitimising them. Either of those would be long, painstakingly arguous processes. Just because explaining how either would work is beyond the scope this issue, it doesn't mean that either option is "easy". The third option involves become part of the problem by taking bribes and being just as corrupt as the rest of them

Sorry, was referring to the first option. I think sending in the military doesn’t get rid of mobs or gangs or the Mafia, it’s not like they’re all congregated in one building.

Also I think @@CAPITAL@@ is better, unless Greenville is a reference to something.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:36 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Thanks for the feedback, but how exactly is this an "easy" process? The first option involves sending in the damned military. The second option suggests legitimising them. Either of those would be long, painstakingly arguous processes. Just because explaining how either would work is beyond the scope this issue, it doesn't mean that either option is "easy". The third option involves become part of the problem by taking bribes and being just as corrupt as the rest of them

Sorry, was referring to the first option. I think sending in the military doesn’t get rid of mobs or gangs or the Mafia, it’s not like they’re all congregated in one building.

Thanks for the feedback. It's not about congrigating in one buildings as much as it's about getting the army to do the cops' work, because the cops themselves are too corrupt. I should probably make this clearer, or ditch the option all together. What would you suggest?
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:38 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
Honeydewistania wrote:Sorry, was referring to the first option. I think sending in the military doesn’t get rid of mobs or gangs or the Mafia, it’s not like they’re all congregated in one building.

Thanks for the feedback. It's not about congrigating in one buildings as much as it's about getting the army to do the cops' work, because the cops themselves are too corrupt. I should probably make this clearer, or ditch the option all together. What would you suggest?

If this is like the Police on Overkill Mode option where you abolish the police and send in the military instead, I think that’s a good option to keep but you need to make it clearer.

Also it’s Jennifer, not Jenifer.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:39 am

Honeydewistania wrote:
Australian rePublic wrote:Thanks for the feedback. It's not about congrigating in one buildings as much as it's about getting the army to do the cops' work, because the cops themselves are too corrupt. I should probably make this clearer, or ditch the option all together. What would you suggest?

If this is like the Police on Overkill Mode option where you abolish the police and send in the military instead, I think that’s a good option to keep but you need to make it clearer.

Also it’s Jennifer, not Jenifer.

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Postby Trotterdam » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:26 am

None of the options have anything to do with bribery.

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Postby Drasnia » Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:27 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Many police officers in Greenville were caught taking bribes from the McRoin Brothers, the city's largest organised crime syndicate, whilst many other police officers were the McRoin Brothers' best customers. News of the decades of corruption has reached the public, who are demanding you do something about it.

This description is incredibly clumsy. The details are all incredibly vague almost to the point of meaninglessness. You're an experienced writer. You should be able to come up with some interesting, shocking, and compelling scenario based on bribery. We need that because as is, we don't really have much context for how bad corruption is or what the McRoins' bribery is accomplishing - important details to know when deciding our course of action.

Trotterdam wrote:None of the options have anything to do with bribery.

Trott absolutely nailed it. The options are written as if the issue is framed as "crime syndicates are bad", not "police bribery and corruption is bad". Where are the options about police reform or other approaches specifically tailored towards police misconduct? Everything is about the syndicate and nothing is about the police.

Suddenly, a semi-trailer full of cash backs into your office. The driver, who appears to be Phil McRoin, (the kingpin of the organisation in question), sticks his head out the window and says "you didn' see notin'. Capishe? You didn' notin'!" He dumps the load, as well as a horses head, on your office floor and drives off

What is that? A parenthetical inside an appositive?

Also a very minor nitpick, but it strains my suspension of disbelief seeing someone named McRoin talking like an Italian mafioso.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:03 am

That's it exactly. The issue should be about how to deal with police corruption, not how to deal with organised crime.

The title is good though, though I'd personally write the reference as "Bad Cops, Bad Cops. Whatcha Gonna Do?"
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