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Has Trump violated the Constitution and the Law (yet)?

Postby Cetacea » Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:20 am

Yes I know there are alreay threads about the Protest this one however isnt about the Protest per se its about Trump and whether he has actively violated the Constitution, broken the law and become a dictator.

My question is triggered by the letter which James Miller Jr, a Department of Defence advisor and former US undersecretary of defence for policy (2012 to 2014) sent to Defence Secretary Mark Esper resigning his position because “Law-abiding protesters just outside the White House were dispersed using tear gas and rubber bullets – not for the sake of safety, but to clear a path for a presidential photo op,” Miller then writes “You (Esper) then accompanied President Trump in walking from the White House to St. John’s Episcopal Church for that photo...You may not have been able to stop President Trump from directing this appalling use of force, but you could have chosen to oppose it - Instead, you visibly supported it.”

James Miller Jr. then states that he swore an oath of office to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States” and “to bear true faith and allegiance to the same” before going on to state “On Monday, June 1, 2020, I believe that you (Esper) violated that oath..”

Anyway for those who might know at what point would Trumps actions in violation of his oaths actually cross into criminal activity - and given that Impeachment doesnt work Is there any other legal recourse open to US citizens to actually have Trump arrested?

The disintegration of the US political system has been both fascinating and horrifying - Even George W Bush has spoken out in support of the Protest! - so I wonder what the next step is.

So short of a coup d’etat or assassination is there any way for the American public to stop Trump becoming a mad Dictator? Will the US Congress come to its senses? Or Will the UN need to Send Peacekeepers?
(Or Should China offer humanitarian intervention and support the liberation of the American people :o?)
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:47 am

Trump violated the constitution and should be voted out this year. Regardless, places like China are a lot worse than our current state.
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Postby Vistulange » Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:49 am

You smell that? Polarisation!

According to the people against Trump, yes. According to the people supporting Trump, no! How wonderful.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:59 am

I do not know.
I do suspect Trump regrets the photo op now, since even FOXnews was not fully supportive, even though they used a half-hearted "it may have all been an coincidence" disclaimer.
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Postby Page » Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:59 am

Just going to add Trump didn't just have his minions use tear gas and flash bangs on protesters but on clergy too, as well as volunteers who were handing out water and hand sanitizer. Yes, he has violated the Constitution and this isn't the first time.
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Postby Dominioan » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:01 am

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Postby Page » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:11 am

Vistulange wrote:You smell that? Polarisation!

According to the people against Trump, yes. According to the people supporting Trump, no! How wonderful.


I'm a centrist, I think Trump is kinda good but also kinda bad. I think the same thing about mass incarceration, police brutality, cockfighting, and the Armenian genocide. Both sides make good points!
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Postby Kazakah » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:16 am

Vistulange wrote:You smell that? Polarisation!

According to the people against Trump, yes. According to the people supporting Trump, no! How wonderful.


The media and political class have divided America. I know it sounds conspiracy like and all, but it makes sense.

Its easier for news outlets to capture your attention and make you buy their product if they're repeating what you agree with. For politicians, its a good move of they can make the opposite side into an enemy.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:16 am

Attacking peaceful protesters shouldn't be legal. As for what people can do, there's nothing except hope that he is voted out in November and accepts the results.
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Postby Andean Kingdom » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:22 am

So I will state that I do not support Trump and consider his actions rash and improper, but I don't think he has broken any constitutional norms, maybe cultural ones, however I am not an expert on the American constitution so if anyone knows more about it please point it out.

Thanks

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I didn't hear about the latest answer of the peaceful protest by the Government, and I wish to pay my respect to the injured, and I can't believe that he broke the law for his own convinience.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:06 am

Vistulange wrote:You smell that? Polarisation!

According to the people against Trump, yes. According to the people supporting Trump, no! How wonderful.


According to fact, yes.

And facts are the only opinions that matter.
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Postby Dominioan » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:10 am

I've got 30 fake IDs and passports here, British, Swedish, and Australian. Any takers?
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:17 am

Dominioan wrote:I've got 30 fake IDs and passports here, British, Swedish, and Australian. Any takers?


Got a Canadian? I'd rather not change continents if I can help it.
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Postby Dominioan » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:18 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Dominioan wrote:I've got 30 fake IDs and passports here, British, Swedish, and Australian. Any takers?


Got a Canadian? I'd rather not change continents if I can help it.

Ahh...only two. You can take it if you want.

this is a joke
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:19 am

Dominioan wrote:I've got 30 fake IDs and passports here, British, Swedish, and Australian. Any takers?

I'll take at least a dozen Aussie, and any more you can get would be welcome.

Jokes are fun
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Postby Dominioan » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:20 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Dominioan wrote:I've got 30 fake IDs and passports here, British, Swedish, and Australian. Any takers?

I'll take at least a dozen Aussie, and any more you can get would be welcome.

Im working on it, i will have 100 by the end of the week.

This isnt serious
An introvert stuck in the USA, wants to get smart and maybe have friends owo, and a proud Okie (in spirt, anyway).
I play gaemz.
I looked at an airplane and it exploded because im so ugly
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Minskiev wrote:Russo-Nordic Union? I am not pleased. SWEDEN SWEDEN SWEDEN

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:21 am

Dominioan wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:I'll take at least a dozen Aussie, and any more you can get would be welcome.

Im working on it, i will have 100 by the end of the week.

This isnt serious

I know
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Stellar Colonies / the Confederation of Human Systems is a confederation which loosely unites a third of the Milky Way galaxy.

The WA embassy within the Confederacy is at Ida Station (243 Ida in the Sol System), a Confederate member state which joined the WA to represent Confederate interests.

Add 3000 years for the date I use.

If you want a mental image of me: Straight, white male of 19. With vision which is far less than 20/20.

I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

Also, I'm diagnosed as a high-functioning autistic.

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Postby Dominioan » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:22 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Dominioan wrote:Im working on it, i will have 100 by the end of the week.

This isnt serious

I know


good
An introvert stuck in the USA, wants to get smart and maybe have friends owo, and a proud Okie (in spirt, anyway).
I play gaemz.
I looked at an airplane and it exploded because im so ugly
I LOVE TELEGRAMS, TELEGRAM ME WITH ANYTHING!
Minskiev wrote:Russo-Nordic Union? I am not pleased. SWEDEN SWEDEN SWEDEN

☆ ☆ The Second Weimar Republic of Dominioan ☆ ☆
"Succdem" I guess
IS HE LIVE OR DEAD, HAS HE THOUGHTS WITHIN HIS HEAD?
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:28 am

Dominioan wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:I know


good

This dissolved into "jokes" and spam real quick. *snaps on a lock*
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