2020 US General Election Thread V: Pandemic Postpones Polls

[South Odreria 2]

Uhh, no, I'm not going to do research for you to prove that your former candidate is better. If you can't say what these incredible legislative accomplishments are, I'm going to assume that they're not a thing, and go with the measly health centers for 26 million people and more veterans not dying on the streets.

I've already given you the stats and provided you with a source for deeper reading. If you're going to dig your head in the sand, refuse to provide evidence for your own claims when asked, and generally fail to engage in any sort of rational debate then this isn't worth my time.

Nice try.
Evidence on health centers, if that's the one you mean:
https://www.politico.com/livepulse/1209 ... nters.html
https://theintercept.com/2015/07/06/gop ... expansion/

[Kruiven]

Meh more of this stuff is likely to come out against Biden when he officially becomes the nominee. We know his record of being handsy.

People acting like he bragged about grabbing women by their pussies.

Yeah so we replace a sexual assaulter with just someone who's just handsy. A+ stuff there America.

[South Odreria 2]

That's a pretty harsh goalpost move, considering South Odreria 2 and I were talking about legislative accomplishments.

Not really a goalpost move at all considering the differences between Sanders and Warren.

Yes it is, stop digging.

[Cisairse]

That's a pretty harsh goalpost move, considering South Odreria 2 and I were talking about legislative accomplishments.

Not really a goalpost move at all considering the differences between Sanders and Warren.

A: Sanders has a better legislative record than Warren.
B: Here is evidence of that not being true.
A: It doesn't matter that it isn't true because reasons!

Pretty much the definition of a goalpost move.

[Uiiop]

Meh more of this stuff is likely to come out against Biden when he officially becomes the nominee. We know his record of being handsy.

People acting like he bragged about grabbing women by their pussies.

Being accused of sexual assault and being caught on camera bragging about it creates similar amount of outrage. Your point?

[Kruiven]

Not really a goalpost move at all considering the differences between Sanders and Warren.

A: Sanders has a better legislative record than Warren.
B: Here is evidence of that not being true.
A: It doesn't matter that it isn't true because reasons!

Pretty much the definition of a goalpost move.

No not really but you can keep telling yourself so.

[Kruiven]

People acting like he bragged about grabbing women by their pussies.

Being accused of sexual assault and being caught on camera bragging about it creates similar amount of outrage. Your point?

Yeah but Biden's a Dem and hasn't done things as bad as Trump so this is an upgrade.

[Harkback Union]

Not really a goalpost move at all considering the differences between Sanders and Warren.

Yes it is, stop digging.

I wanna dig.
Give me a showel.

[Ngelmish]

A: Sanders has a better legislative record than Warren.
B: Here is evidence of that not being true.
A: It doesn't matter that it isn't true because reasons!

Pretty much the definition of a goalpost move.

No not really but you can keep telling yourself so.

You changed the subject from "accomplishments" to "Bernie is more left than Warren" (debatable at best). Goalpost shift. Stop lying.

[Ifreann]

Meh more of this stuff is likely to come out against Biden when he officially becomes the nominee. We know his record of being handsy.

People acting like he bragged about grabbing women by their pussies.

He literally did digitally penetrate a woman without consent. Which is worse, talking about it with Billy Bush, or doing it and keeping quiet?

[Kruiven]

No not really but you can keep telling yourself so.

You changed the subject from "accomplishments" to "Bernie is more left than Warren" (debatable at best). Goalpost shift. Stop lying.

LOL not debatable at all.

[Kruiven]

Yes it is, stop digging.

I wanna dig.
Give me a showel.

Dig and you might find some oil.

[South Odreria 2]

People acting like he bragged about grabbing women by their pussies.

He literally did digitally penetrate a woman without consent. Which is worse, talking about it with Billy Bush, or doing it and keeping quiet?

I mean Trump also raped that one woman.

[Ifreann]

He literally did digitally penetrate a woman without consent. Which is worse, talking about it with Billy Bush, or doing it and keeping quiet?

I mean Trump also raped that one woman.

More than one, but I was addressing Gormwood's comment specifically, not defending Trump.

[Northern Davincia]

Being accused of sexual assault and being caught on camera bragging about it creates similar amount of outrage. Your point?

Yeah but Biden's a Dem and hasn't done things as bad as Trump so this is an upgrade.

Would you vote for a rapist who only raped one person as opposed to a rapist who raped ten people? I'm only asking hypothetically, of course.

[Kruiven]

Yeah but Biden's a Dem and hasn't done things as bad as Trump so this is an upgrade.

Would you vote for a rapist who only raped one person as opposed to a rapist who raped ten people? I'm only asking hypothetically, of course.

I was being sarcastic.

[New Socialist South Africa]

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation
News is starting to be picked up.

This article focuses almost entirely on tweets about the accusations, rather than the accusations themselves.

Here are two other good articles / sources on the story:

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/ (the initial report)

https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/tara-to-post (an hour long interview with Tara Reade)

These two sources, plus the Vox report, are probably the best reports on this story so far. We'll see if any "respectable" news networks like CNN or MSNBC and newspapers like the New York Times and Washington Post report on it at all. Maybe they are slow on reporting this because of COVID-19 and everything, but I'm a little worried that this might just be an attempt to cover up for Biden, because he will almost definitely be the Democratic nominee, and this story would definitely hurt Biden, which could help Trump by default.

I really don't like Trump, and I certainly think there should be some sort of investigation or trial, rather than just saying Joe Biden absolutely sexually assaulted his former staffer Tara Reade, but it is genuinely disheartening to see so many supposedly "respectable" journalists seemingly ignoring this story right now. This shouldn't just be brushed under the carpet. Reade's allegations should be taken and treated seriously, and be given the consideration they deserve.

[Northern Davincia]

Would you vote for a rapist who only raped one person as opposed to a rapist who raped ten people? I'm only asking hypothetically, of course.

I was being sarcastic.

You answered correctly, then.

[Uiiop]

This article focuses almost entirely on tweets about the accusations, rather than the accusations themselves.

Here are two other good articles / sources on the story:

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/ (the initial report)

https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/tara-to-post (an hour long interview with Tara Reade)

These two sources, plus the Vox report, are probably the best reports on this story so far. We'll see if any "respectable" news networks like CNN or MSNBC and newspapers like the New York Times and Washington Post report on it at all. Maybe they are slow on reporting this because of COVID-19 and everything, but I'm a little worried that this might just be an attempt to cover up for Biden, because he will almost definitely be the Democratic nominee, and this story would definitely hurt Biden, which could help Trump by default.

I really don't like Trump, and I certainly think there should be some sort of investigation or trial, rather than just saying Joe Biden absolutely sexually assaulted his former staffer Tara Reade, but it is genuinely disheartening to see so many supposedly "respectable" journalists seemingly ignoring this story right now. This shouldn't just be brushed under the carpet. Reade's allegations should be taken and treated seriously, and be given the consideration they deserve.

Huff post senior writing is promoting this. Take that for what you will.

[New Socialist South Africa]

Here are two other good articles / sources on the story:

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/ (the initial report)

https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/tara-to-post (an hour long interview with Tara Reade)

These two sources, plus the Vox report, are probably the best reports on this story so far. We'll see if any "respectable" news networks like CNN or MSNBC and newspapers like the New York Times and Washington Post report on it at all. Maybe they are slow on reporting this because of COVID-19 and everything, but I'm a little worried that this might just be an attempt to cover up for Biden, because he will almost definitely be the Democratic nominee, and this story would definitely hurt Biden, which could help Trump by default.

I really don't like Trump, and I certainly think there should be some sort of investigation or trial, rather than just saying Joe Biden absolutely sexually assaulted his former staffer Tara Reade, but it is genuinely disheartening to see so many supposedly "respectable" journalists seemingly ignoring this story right now. This shouldn't just be brushed under the carpet. Reade's allegations should be taken and treated seriously, and be given the consideration they deserve.

Huff post senior writing is promoting this. Take that for what you will.

That is something, and maybe it will get some other news networks to talk about it. I've found some of Huff post's articles in the past to be a bit ridiculous, like when they predicted a Hillary Clinton landslide back in 2016, with a 98.2% chance of winning, but I'm glad to see they are promoting this. Them reporting on this would certainly restore some of their journalistic reputation in my eyes.

[Shrillland]

Since my schedule means I'd be asleep by the time we reach 500, here's the new, shiny, virus-free thread: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=482528

[Cannot think of a name]

No you wouldn't. Because that's not what images do. A single image of even group of images do not demonstrate a norm and that's even if it's not required for the person presenting the picture to provide context.

An image is not proof of the commonality of an activity. It's questionable proof of a thing happening.

My good man, you underestimate the technological advances of the chinese, there's these new fangled things called videos and news sites.

You meant the exact same things that created the notion of context and the manipulation of truth under the guise of 'seeing is believing'? The same principle that started both the Situationilist and Dada movements over 100 years ago and hasn't changed but rather accelerated to the point where a foreign power was able to distort the news by creating a bunch of fake social media accounts and clone websites? Yeah, champ. I'm aware of them. You don't seem to understand that image and context are separate and yet reliant on each other.

Showing us a gory image was never going to prove your point. Sorry dude.

Also once again i need to re iterate, I'm not by any means saying a majority of Chinese do this or even ignore this. I am saying that it's a prominent enough thing that it's both disgusting and a problem.

A gory picture was not going to give us any indication of the scope of the problem. The restrictions on gore weren't holding you back, a lack of proof for your assertion was.

[Telconi]

Since my schedule means I'd be asleep by the time we reach 500, here's the new, shiny, virus-free thread: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=482528

Nothing is virus free in the American Plaguelands.

[The Andromeda Island Group]

I really don't like Trump, and I certainly think there should be some sort of investigation or trial, rather than just saying Joe Biden absolutely sexually assaulted his former staffer Tara Reade, but it is genuinely disheartening to see so many supposedly "respectable" journalists seemingly ignoring this story right now. This shouldn't just be brushed under the carpet. Reade's allegations should be taken and treated seriously, and be given the consideration they deserve.

There's something going on that's a little more important to our everyday lives than an accusation about something that might have happened some years ago.

It's curious. Joe Biden began his political career in the 1970s & only now, after nearly five decades, one person comes forward with an allegation?
It's almost as if someone doesn't want Joe Biden to win in November.

[Uiiop]

I really don't like Trump, and I certainly think there should be some sort of investigation or trial, rather than just saying Joe Biden absolutely sexually assaulted his former staffer Tara Reade, but it is genuinely disheartening to see so many supposedly "respectable" journalists seemingly ignoring this story right now. This shouldn't just be brushed under the carpet. Reade's allegations should be taken and treated seriously, and be given the consideration they deserve.

There's something going on that's a little more important to our everyday lives than an accusation about something that might have happened some years ago.

It's curious. Joe Biden began his political career in the 1970s & only now, after nearly five decades, one person comes forward with an allegation?
It's almost as if someone doesn't want Joe Biden to win in November.

It took that long for Savile to come to light. A special case, sure but it's not impossible.