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Postby Araraukar » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:17 pm

OOC: Is the proposal going to be made legal some time soon? The current muddle is confusing, inappropriate and illegal for a repeal.

Chrysostomos wrote:EDITED:
General Assembly Resolution

REPEAL Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy (GA#467)

WE, the collected Nations of this Assembly; [Meant to be read as individual Acknowledgements]

ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of CONFIRMATION BIAS and RHETORIC in (GA#467)
ACKNOWLEDGE that THE RESULTING EFFECT of (GA#467) is NECESSARILY the sterilization children and adolescents, whether voluntary or not
ACKNOWLEDGE that sterilization of a person undergoing Hormone Replacement Therapy (or any known colloquialism) is both irreversible and inevitable
ACKNOWLEDGES that clauses 2, 3, 5 and 6 of (GA#467) all allow and AFFIRM that an INDIVIDUAL is medically CAPABLE to self-Diagnose or self-Treat a condition
ACKNOWLEDGE that the REQUIREMENTS of (GA#467) would FORCE a Government to, in EFFECT, sterilize a segment-however large or small-of their population


HEREBY CLARIFIES the following Operable Medical Terms:
1. Disease: "an abnormal or adverse condition sometimes resulting in the in debilitation of normal function, in part or in whole"
2. Mental-Illness: "A mental-or- psychiatric disorder, is a behavioral or mental pattern that can cause significant impairment of personal function"
3. Confusion: "The quality or state of being unclear. "Acute Mental Confusion" (or AMC) is often used interchangeably with delirium
in publications to describe such pathology"
4. Dysphoria: "A state of generalized unhappiness, dissatisfaction, disconnect or frustration, of which can often be symptom of several mental health conditions."
5. Delusion: "Idiosyncratic belief that is firmly adhered to despite being contradicted by what is accepted as empirical reality;
typically a symptom of mental disorder"

HEREBY SUBMITS and AFFIRMS the following as FACT:

1. Transgender and Gender non-binary people do not possess the medically diagnosable conditions that affirm their purported condition or perception of their biological state-i.e. your body IS as it is biologically constructed,
whether or not you perceive it as such [tldr your body is binary]

1a. Recognizing that "Intersex" people possess a medically diagnosable condition wholly separate and distinct from "Transgender" and "Non-binary" [tldr unless intersex at birth]

2. That ALL experiences resulting from the human condition are reduced back to ones mental perception-i.e. your "Mind" or "Nous"-and that if a persons perception does not correspond with an objective and empirical reality,
that may medically constitute a significant "Alienation" from observable reality, and that such disconnects are often the indication of "Mental-Illness" as CLARIFIED [tldr it is all of the things prior legislation said its not]

2a. That "Alienation" from reality, "Mental Illness", "Depression" all resulting from such a perception does in FACT constitute "Dis-ease" of Mind and/or Body
[tldr Prior legislation contests its not a mental illness and then proclaims it a matter of mental perception and objective disconnect between perception and reality, describing what is in EFFECT a mental illness; TLDR TO THE TLDR Its a delineation between perception (subjective) and objective, i.e. mental disorder]

3. Medically UNQUALIFIED individuals are not "in best position to understand and discern their own medical conditions" as stated in (GA#467) and are therefore UNFIT to discern, diagnose or treat their own Disease, Illness, Confusion, Dysphoria or Delusion.
[tldr back pain can be a collapsed lung. No unqualified person is in the best position to discern their own medical conditions. That is how people misdiagnose and mistreat problems, which leads to quite unnecessary death]

3a. Individuals whose perception is significantly altered or are otherwise influenced by untreated Disease, Illness, Confusion, Dysphoria or Delusion may not be adequately able to discern the lasting repercussions of their
decisions or self-imposed "treatments"
[tldr stress is a significant impairment, it will probably impair your decision making capabilities such that you do not make rational decisions in the long run, especially if diagnosing and treating yourself]

4. Dysphoria of any kind is a Medically treatable mental-illness/psychiatric disorder as CLARIFIED [tldr it literally is by every definition]
4a. Treatment of any kind, if any is appropriate, should be left to qualified, licensed medical practitioners
[tldr not the individual, not "transitioning clinics", regular practitioners]

5. IT IS NOT the Duty of the GA or WA to impose or issue Taxes, Debts, or REQUIRE subsidization of services (outside of punitive measures or without providing funding) under (GA#467) [tldr no funding allocated by GA for subsidization in small or underdeveloped nations]
5a. IT IS NOT the Duty of the GA oversee Compliant Medical Facilities (CMF) in Member Nations under (GA #467) [tldr no requirement]
5b. Payment for ANY treatment not covered by private insurance or SSI (if applicable) should be covered "Out of Pocket"

REPEALS GA #467
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:55 pm

Chrysostomos wrote:EDITED:
General Assembly Resolution

REPEAL Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy (GA#467)

WE, the collected Nations of this Assembly; [Meant to be read as individual Acknowledgements]

ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of CONFIRMATION BIAS and RHETORIC in (GA#467)
ACKNOWLEDGE that THE RESULTING EFFECT of (GA#467) is NECESSARILY the sterilization children and adolescents, whether voluntary or not
ACKNOWLEDGE that sterilization of a person undergoing Hormone Replacement Therapy (or any known colloquialism) is both irreversible and inevitable
ACKNOWLEDGES that clauses 2, 3, 5 and 6 of (GA#467) all allow and AFFIRM that an INDIVIDUAL is medically CAPABLE to self-Diagnose or self-Treat a condition
ACKNOWLEDGE that the REQUIREMENTS of (GA#467) would FORCE a Government to, in EFFECT, sterilize a segment-however large or small-of their population


HEREBY CLARIFIES the following Operable Medical Terms:
1. Disease: "an abnormal or adverse condition sometimes resulting in the in debilitation of normal function, in part or in whole"
2. Mental-Illness: "A mental-or- psychiatric disorder, is a behavioral or mental pattern that can cause significant impairment of personal function"
3. Confusion: "The quality or state of being unclear. "Acute Mental Confusion" (or AMC) is often used interchangeably with delirium
in publications to describe such pathology"
4. Dysphoria: "A state of generalized unhappiness, dissatisfaction, disconnect or frustration, of which can often be symptom of several mental health conditions."
5. Delusion: "Idiosyncratic belief that is firmly adhered to despite being contradicted by what is accepted as empirical reality;
typically a symptom of mental disorder"

HEREBY SUBMITS and AFFIRMS the following as FACT:

1. Transgender and Gender non-binary people do not possess the medically diagnosable conditions that affirm their purported condition or perception of their biological state-i.e. your body IS as it is biologically constructed,
whether or not you perceive it as such [tldr your body is binary]

1a. Recognizing that "Intersex" people possess a medically diagnosable condition wholly separate and distinct from "Transgender" and "Non-binary" [tldr unless intersex at birth]

2. That ALL experiences resulting from the human condition are reduced back to ones mental perception-i.e. your "Mind" or "Nous"-and that if a persons perception does not correspond with an objective and empirical reality,
that may medically constitute a significant "Alienation" from observable reality, and that such disconnects are often the indication of "Mental-Illness" as CLARIFIED [tldr it is all of the things prior legislation said its not]

2a. That "Alienation" from reality, "Mental Illness", "Depression" all resulting from such a perception does in FACT constitute "Dis-ease" of Mind and/or Body
[tldr Prior legislation contests its not a mental illness and then proclaims it a matter of mental perception and objective disconnect between perception and reality, describing what is in EFFECT a mental illness; TLDR TO THE TLDR Its a delineation between perception (subjective) and objective, i.e. mental disorder]

3. Medically UNQUALIFIED individuals are not "in best position to understand and discern their own medical conditions" as stated in (GA#467) and are therefore UNFIT to discern, diagnose or treat their own Disease, Illness, Confusion, Dysphoria or Delusion.
[tldr back pain can be a collapsed lung. No unqualified person is in the best position to discern their own medical conditions. That is how people misdiagnose and mistreat problems, which leads to quite unnecessary death]

3a. Individuals whose perception is significantly altered or are otherwise influenced by untreated Disease, Illness, Confusion, Dysphoria or Delusion may not be adequately able to discern the lasting repercussions of their
decisions or self-imposed "treatments"
[tldr stress is a significant impairment, it will probably impair your decision making capabilities such that you do not make rational decisions in the long run, especially if diagnosing and treating yourself]

4. Dysphoria of any kind is a Medically treatable mental-illness/psychiatric disorder as CLARIFIED [tldr it literally is by every definition]
4a. Treatment of any kind, if any is appropriate, should be left to qualified, licensed medical practitioners
[tldr not the individual, not "transitioning clinics", regular practitioners]

5. IT IS NOT the Duty of the GA or WA to impose or issue Taxes, Debts, or REQUIRE subsidization of services (outside of punitive measures or without providing funding) under (GA#467) [tldr no funding allocated by GA for subsidization in small or underdeveloped nations]
5a. IT IS NOT the Duty of the GA oversee Compliant Medical Facilities (CMF) in Member Nations under (GA #467) [tldr no requirement]
5b. Payment for ANY treatment not covered by private insurance or SSI (if applicable) should be covered "Out of Pocket"


REPEALS GA #467


OOC: You say you incorporated feedback, but you ignored the most important part of mine: literally everything in red constitutes legislating in a repeal, which (as multiple people have informed you) is illegal.
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Postby Chrysostomos » Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:38 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Chrysostomos wrote:EDITED:
General Assembly Resolution

REPEAL Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy (GA#467)

WE, the collected Nations of this Assembly; [Meant to be read as individual Acknowledgements]

ACKNOWLEDGE the existence of CONFIRMATION BIAS and RHETORIC in (GA#467)
ACKNOWLEDGE that THE RESULTING EFFECT of (GA#467) is NECESSARILY the sterilization children and adolescents, whether voluntary or not
ACKNOWLEDGE that sterilization of a person undergoing Hormone Replacement Therapy (or any known colloquialism) is both irreversible and inevitable
ACKNOWLEDGES that clauses 2, 3, 5 and 6 of (GA#467) all allow and AFFIRM that an INDIVIDUAL is medically CAPABLE to self-Diagnose or self-Treat a condition
ACKNOWLEDGE that the REQUIREMENTS of (GA#467) would FORCE a Government to, in EFFECT, sterilize a segment-however large or small-of their population


HEREBY CLARIFIES the following Operable Medical Terms:
1. Disease: "an abnormal or adverse condition sometimes resulting in the in debilitation of normal function, in part or in whole"
2. Mental-Illness: "A mental-or- psychiatric disorder, is a behavioral or mental pattern that can cause significant impairment of personal function"
3. Confusion: "The quality or state of being unclear. "Acute Mental Confusion" (or AMC) is often used interchangeably with delirium
in publications to describe such pathology"
4. Dysphoria: "A state of generalized unhappiness, dissatisfaction, disconnect or frustration, of which can often be symptom of several mental health conditions."
5. Delusion: "Idiosyncratic belief that is firmly adhered to despite being contradicted by what is accepted as empirical reality;
typically a symptom of mental disorder"

HEREBY SUBMITS and AFFIRMS the following as FACT:

1. Transgender and Gender non-binary people do not possess the medically diagnosable conditions that affirm their purported condition or perception of their biological state-i.e. your body IS as it is biologically constructed,
whether or not you perceive it as such [tldr your body is binary]

1a. Recognizing that "Intersex" people possess a medically diagnosable condition wholly separate and distinct from "Transgender" and "Non-binary" [tldr unless intersex at birth]

2. That ALL experiences resulting from the human condition are reduced back to ones mental perception-i.e. your "Mind" or "Nous"-and that if a persons perception does not correspond with an objective and empirical reality,
that may medically constitute a significant "Alienation" from observable reality, and that such disconnects are often the indication of "Mental-Illness" as CLARIFIED [tldr it is all of the things prior legislation said its not]

2a. That "Alienation" from reality, "Mental Illness", "Depression" all resulting from such a perception does in FACT constitute "Dis-ease" of Mind and/or Body
[tldr Prior legislation contests its not a mental illness and then proclaims it a matter of mental perception and objective disconnect between perception and reality, describing what is in EFFECT a mental illness; TLDR TO THE TLDR Its a delineation between perception (subjective) and objective, i.e. mental disorder]

3. Medically UNQUALIFIED individuals are not "in best position to understand and discern their own medical conditions" as stated in (GA#467) and are therefore UNFIT to discern, diagnose or treat their own Disease, Illness, Confusion, Dysphoria or Delusion.
[tldr back pain can be a collapsed lung. No unqualified person is in the best position to discern their own medical conditions. That is how people misdiagnose and mistreat problems, which leads to quite unnecessary death]

3a. Individuals whose perception is significantly altered or are otherwise influenced by untreated Disease, Illness, Confusion, Dysphoria or Delusion may not be adequately able to discern the lasting repercussions of their
decisions or self-imposed "treatments"
[tldr stress is a significant impairment, it will probably impair your decision making capabilities such that you do not make rational decisions in the long run, especially if diagnosing and treating yourself]

4. Dysphoria of any kind is a Medically treatable mental-illness/psychiatric disorder as CLARIFIED [tldr it literally is by every definition]
4a. Treatment of any kind, if any is appropriate, should be left to qualified, licensed medical practitioners
[tldr not the individual, not "transitioning clinics", regular practitioners]

5. IT IS NOT the Duty of the GA or WA to impose or issue Taxes, Debts, or REQUIRE subsidization of services (outside of punitive measures or without providing funding) under (GA#467) [tldr no funding allocated by GA for subsidization in small or underdeveloped nations]
5a. IT IS NOT the Duty of the GA oversee Compliant Medical Facilities (CMF) in Member Nations under (GA #467) [tldr no requirement]
5b. Payment for ANY treatment not covered by private insurance or SSI (if applicable) should be covered "Out of Pocket"


REPEALS GA #467


OOC: You say you incorporated feedback, but you ignored the most important part of mine: literally everything in red constitutes legislating in a repeal, which (as multiple people have informed you) is illegal.


You're confused. Affirming a refutation to something as true is not legislating something. Clarifying the medical definition of something for the sake of repealing something clearly not medically legitimate is not legislating, its providing cause for repeal

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:46 pm

Chrysostomos wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:OOC: You say you incorporated feedback, but you ignored the most important part of mine: literally everything in red constitutes legislating in a repeal, which (as multiple people have informed you) is illegal.


You're confused. Affirming a refutation to something as true is not legislating something. Clarifying the medical definition of something for the sake of repealing something clearly not medically legitimate is not legislating, its providing cause for repeal

OOC: Calling a member of the GA Sec "confused" when they are telling you that something is illegal? Yeah I trust the Sec's judgement tbh. These are the people that will be able to mark your proposal illegal in very short order if you submit it in its current state, so it's probably a good idea to take their advice seriously.
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Postby Chrysostomos » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:24 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Chrysostomos wrote:
You're confused. Affirming a refutation to something as true is not legislating something. Clarifying the medical definition of something for the sake of repealing something clearly not medically legitimate is not legislating, its providing cause for repeal

OOC: Calling a member of the GA Sec "confused" when they are telling you that something is illegal? Yeah I trust the Sec's judgement tbh. These are the people that will be able to mark your proposal illegal in very short order if you submit it in its current state, so it's probably a good idea to take their advice seriously.


I want demonstration where it is legislating (requiring) something. It’s a legal request, and a simple one.

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Postby Araraukar » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:01 am

Chrysostomos wrote:I want demonstration where it is legislating (requiring) something. It’s a legal request, and a simple one.

OOC: You should know, given you wrote it, but here:
CLARIFIES
SUBMITS and AFFIRMS

The only action a repeal can take, is to repeal the target resolution. Nothing else.

EDIT: Also, you're a bit confused if you think only requiring is legislating in the GA. Any action that has any effect, be it "encourages" or "affirms" or whatnot, is a legislative action. I suggest re-reading the proposal rules and asking if you don't understand something in them.
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:23 am

Chrysostomos wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
OOC: You say you incorporated feedback, but you ignored the most important part of mine: literally everything in red constitutes legislating in a repeal, which (as multiple people have informed you) is illegal.


You're confused. Affirming a refutation to something as true is not legislating something. Clarifying the medical definition of something for the sake of repealing something clearly not medically legitimate is not legislating, its providing cause for repeal

(OOC: The way in which you have clarified these terms makes the proposal fall under legislating in a repeal. You can say things such as ‘Acknowledging that water is wet’, but you cannot say ‘Defining water as a liquid that is wet’ or ‘Clarifying that water is a wet substance’.)
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:39 am

Chrysostomos wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Calling a member of the GA Sec "confused" when they are telling you that something is illegal? Yeah I trust the Sec's judgement tbh. These are the people that will be able to mark your proposal illegal in very short order if you submit it in its current state, so it's probably a good idea to take their advice seriously.


I want demonstration where it is legislating (requiring) something. It’s a legal request, and a simple one.

In the draft you are carrying out an action above and beyond simply repealing the target, and that is classed as legislating in a repeal. Now, please stop dragging your feet in this matter if you are serious about actually submitting this and not having it shot down immediately by GenSec.
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