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[DRAFT] Guilt Plain To See

Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Thu May 09, 2019 3:02 am

SECOND DRAFT:

TITLE:
Guilt Plain To See

VALIDITY:
Free press, neither very low or very high right to privacy,

DESCRIPTION:
Tabloid newspaper The Diurnal Mail recently published a list of sex offenders' names and addresses -- leaked, they said, from the government's registry. Angry citizens then took it on themselves to enact "justice", mailing death threats, hurling eggs and bricks at windows, and in one incident delivering a fatal beating. However, it has since emerged that the list wasn't even a genuine one, and was actually the membership roll of a fly-fishing club, anonymously sent in by an unknown prankster.

OPTION 1
"The problem here is idiotic vigilantism," opines @@randomfemalename@@, renowned feminist author. "I blame movies and media, with their glorification of angry superheroes and rogue cops. To improve our culture we must teach our children about the dangers of toxic masculinity, and force film-makers to send more positive messages. Less violent retribution, more sensible restitution!"
OUTCOME:
movie super-hero teams save the world by finding sensible compromises with their enemies

OPTION 2
"Clearly this is the fault of journos not checking their facts," argues self-appointed 'Consumer Watchdog' @@randommalename@@, tossing a bag of stained clothes and a broken cricket bat onto a bonfire of tabloid newspapers. "They put out bad information, so they killed that innocent man. You should be beating down on fake news, make the media pay for their lies."
OUTCOME:
newspapers that contain incorrect weather forecasts are branded as criminals

OPTION 3
"The fact that edition sold so well shows that the people wanted this information," defends Mail journalist @@randomname@@. "If you, the government, were more transparent in allowing the public to access your registry of sex offenders, then we wouldn't have been forced to look for one. So it's your fault - take some responsibility!"
OUTCOME:
lynch mobs can use a government-sponsored app to locate their victims

OPTION 4
"The problem here is that the registry exists at all," rants former school-teacher @@randomname@@, who was dismissed from @@HIS@@ post last year under hushed-up circumstances. "You're implying that there's a category of people defined by a single mistake. That creates legal and social prejudice. Stop tracking criminal records, and let people be judged for who they are now, not what they might have done in the past."
OUTCOME:
many swimming instructors are former teachers


FIRST DRAFT:
TITLE:
Guilt Plain To See


VALIDITY:
Free press


DESCRIPTION:
Tabloid newspaper The Diurnal Mail recently published a list of sex offenders' names and addresses -- leaked, they said, from the government's registry. Angry citizens then took it on themselves to enact "justice", mailing death threats, hurling eggs and bricks at windows, and in one incident delivering a fatal beating. However, it has since emerged that the list wasn't even a genuine one, and was actually the membership roll of a fly-fishing club, anonymously sent in by an unknown prankster.

OPTION 1
"The problem here is idiotic vigilantism," opines @@randomfemalename@@, renowned feminist author. "I blame movies and media, with their glorification of angry supermen, rogue cops and personal vendettas. We need to improve our culture. We must teach our children about the dangers of toxic masculinity, and force film-makers to send more positive messages about the inherent limitations of violent solutions."
OUTCOME:
movie super-hero teams save the world by finding sensible compromises with their enemies

OPTION 2
"No, look, clearly this is the fault of journos not checking their facts," argues self-appointed 'Consumer Watchdog' @@randommalename@@, tossing a bag of stained clothes and a broken cricket bat onto a bonfire of tabloid newspapers. "If they put bad information like that out, then they're the ones who killed that innocent man. You should be beating down on fake news, make the media pay for their lies."
OUTCOME:
newspapers that contain incorrect weather forecasts are branded as criminals

OPTION 3
"The fact that edition sold so well shows that the people wanted this information," defends Mail journalist @@randomname@@. "If you, the government, were transparent in allowing the public to access your registry of sex offenders, then we wouldn't have been forced to look for one. So it's your fault - take some responsibility!"
OUTCOME:
lynch mobs can use a government-sponsored app to locate their victims

OPTION 4
"The problem here is creating a category of people defined by one small mistake," rants former school-teacher @@randomname@@, who was dismissed from @@HIS@@ post last year under hushed-up circumstances. "The criminal record of an individual should be known only to the offender and to the police. Telling anyone else about someone's convictions just breeds prejudice, and is an infringement on the civil liberties of those who have already paid their debt to society."
OUTCOME:
many swimming instructors are former teachers
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Fri May 10, 2019 12:02 am

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Tabloid newspaper The Diurnal Mail recently published an list


Should say "a list" instead of "an list."
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Fri May 10, 2019 2:46 am

The Sherpa Empire wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Tabloid newspaper The Diurnal Mail recently published an list


Should say "a list" instead of "an list."


You pass the test!

Actually, no, I'm just terrible with attention to detaill.

Fixedd.

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Postby Decu Caine » Fri May 10, 2019 8:30 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
"No, look, clearly this is the fault of journos not checking their facts," argues self-appointed 'Consumer Watchdog' @@randommalename@@


Is there a reason for this to be specifically a male name? I believe that any name would suffice here, male or female.
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Postby Depackya » Fri May 10, 2019 8:38 pm

Decu Caine wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:


Is there a reason for this to be specifically a male name? I believe that any name would suffice here, male or female.

I disagree, I think that a male comeback against the feminist's argument would work better.

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:"I blame movies and media, with it's glorification...


"It's" would be "its" in this instance. Just looking at the tiny things! Other than that, I couldn't find anything. Well-written issue.
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Fri May 10, 2019 9:44 pm

Depackya wrote:
Candlewhisper Archive wrote:"I blame movies and media, with it's glorification...


"It's" would be "its" in this instance. Just looking at the tiny things! Other than that, I couldn't find anything. Well-written issue.


"Their" works better than "its."
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sun May 12, 2019 2:26 pm

Depackya wrote:I disagree, I think that a male comeback against the feminist's argument would work better.


Exactly that, I don't fix genders lightly, and tend to default to randomised genders. The fixed male gender here is to give extra weight to option 1's arguments about toxic masculinity, as it's meant to be obvious that option 2's speaker was one of the guys who just beat someone to death out of a misplaced sense of justice.

"It's" would be "its" in this instance. Just looking at the tiny things! Other than that, I couldn't find anything. Well-written issue.


Man, I am ALWAYS doing that. Will fix it, thanks.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Sun May 12, 2019 2:26 pm

The Sherpa Empire wrote:
Depackya wrote:


"It's" would be "its" in this instance. Just looking at the tiny things! Other than that, I couldn't find anything. Well-written issue.


"Their" works better than "its."


Good point.

Have made the change within the current draft, as it's a small one.
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Postby Umpus » Sun May 12, 2019 2:31 pm

You should add an option to make lynching legal.
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Sun May 12, 2019 5:35 pm

Umpus wrote:You should add an option to make lynching legal.


I think that would fit better in an issue where the "sex offenders" are actually sex offenders and not a fishing club.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun May 12, 2019 5:35 pm

Options 3 and 4 contradict eachother. 3 suggests that this info isn't publically avaliable, whilst 4 suggests that it is
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon May 13, 2019 1:38 am

Australian rePublic wrote:Options 3 and 4 contradict eachother. 3 suggests that this info isn't publically avaliable, whilst 4 suggests that it is


Hmm, you're entirely right.

I'll start work on Draft 2 to address that.

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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue May 14, 2019 5:22 am

Draft 2 hopefully addresses those concerns now. The default assumption here is that a register exists but is not public. That may be too assumptive, but I think we can make that work backstage with validity checks.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Wed May 15, 2019 4:10 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:Draft 2 hopefully addresses those concerns now. The default assumption here is that a register exists but is not public. That may be too assumptive, but I think we can make that work backstage with validity checks.

Better...
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Postby Fauxia » Fri May 17, 2019 2:10 pm

Don’t we basically have this covered? We have 271 (and more) to deal with vigilantes, definitely multiple issues pertaining to false data, definitely stuff about wiping criminal records clean. We don’t have any issues about the sex offenders register so far as I can tell, but that seems like one new option and a lot of redundant material.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Mon May 20, 2019 12:46 am

Fauxia wrote:Don’t we basically have this covered? We have 271 (and more) to deal with vigilantes, definitely multiple issues pertaining to false data, definitely stuff about wiping criminal records clean. We don’t have any issues about the sex offenders register so far as I can tell, but that seems like one new option and a lot of redundant material.


217 is about Batman, pretty much. Definitely feels different.

Probably the closest overlap is 743, Here There and Everywhere, but to me an (apparent) sex offenders register feels like something different to an ethnic minority.

You'll have to point me to the other overlaps, I can't currently find them.

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Postby Fauxia » Mon May 20, 2019 4:32 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:
Fauxia wrote:Don’t we basically have this covered? We have 271 (and more) to deal with vigilantes, definitely multiple issues pertaining to false data, definitely stuff about wiping criminal records clean. We don’t have any issues about the sex offenders register so far as I can tell, but that seems like one new option and a lot of redundant material.


217 is about Batman, pretty much. Definitely feels different.

Probably the closest overlap is 743, Here There and Everywhere, but to me an (apparent) sex offenders register feels like something different to an ethnic minority.

You'll have to point me to the other overlaps, I can't currently find them.

If you think the vigilantism is different enough, I’m not going to argue the point, there’s probably enough different.
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Postby Candlewhisper Archive » Tue May 21, 2019 2:30 am

For sure, we have a peer review process in place that strongly considers overlap, and always checks drafting threads, so this will be considered and reviewed by other editors making independent judgements. Always worth raising these things.

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Postby Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners » Thu May 23, 2019 12:32 pm

Candlewhisper Archive wrote:However, it has since emerged that the list wasn't even a genuine one, and was actually the membership roll of a fly-fishing club, anonymously sent in by an unknown prankster.


Feel like there should be a reference to (fly) swatting in there somewhere.
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Postby Trotterdam » Thu May 23, 2019 2:20 pm

Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:Feel like there should be a reference to (fly) swatting in there somewhere.
That's the opposite situation: the police being misled by false information from the public, rather than the public being misled by false information from the police (or at least that pretends to be from the police). Possibly better suited for its own issue.

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Postby Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners » Thu May 23, 2019 3:15 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:Feel like there should be a reference to (fly) swatting in there somewhere.
That's the opposite situation: the police being misled by false information from the public, rather than the public being misled by false information from the police (or at least that pretends to be from the police). Possibly better suited for its own issue.


True, I suppose. I had in mind California's Megan's Law which is an official published list (complete with warnings about criminal penalties for misuse), whereas the description says the list was in a newspaper. Fair enough.
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