Trump Gets Refund from an alleged Hooker

[Shofercia]

I don't usually quote CNN, but reading an article that they wrote through gritted teeth is hilarious: https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/politics ... index.html

Stormy Daniels and her attorney, Michael Avenatti, sued President Trump, and lost. Big time. Not only was the lawsuit a victory for Trump, but Daniels/Avenatti were ordered to pay Trump's attorney fees, leading to the joke that Trump is the only guy to get a refund from an alleged hooker.

A federal judge has dismissed adult film star Stormy Daniels' defamation lawsuit against President Donald Trump. Daniels sued Trump after he said in a tweet that her story of a man threatening her not to come forward with her story of her alleged affair with Trump was "a total con job."

Daniels argued Trump's tweet, posted April 18, "attacks the veracity of her account" of the incident and that Trump's statement was "false and defamatory, and that the tweet was defamation ... because it charged her with committing a serious crime," District Judge S. James Otero wrote in his opinion Monday. Trump had asked Otero to dismiss the lawsuit. "The Court agrees with Mr. Trump's argument because the tweet in question constitutes 'rhetorical hyperbole' normally associated with politics and public discourse in the United States. The First Amendment protects this type of rhetorical statement," Otero wrote. In addition to dismissing the lawsuit, Otero ruled Trump is entitled to attorney's fees...

Trump's attorney Charles J. Harder said in a statement to CNN, "No amount of spin or commentary by Stormy Daniels or her lawyer, Mr. Avenatti, can truthfully characterize today's ruling in any way other than total victory for President Trump and total defeat for Stormy Daniels. The amount of the award for President Trump's attorneys' fees will be determined at a later date..."

So a strip tease dancer is going to be paying the attorney's fees of Trump's lawyer named Harder. You can't make this shit up. Perhaps, in order to pay his fees, Daniels might create a stormy dance with the title "Trump Harder"... sorry, someone had to say it

Thoughts, NSG? I think it's hilarious, and brings much needed levity to the rather hefty political discourse of the day.

[Flarbinia]

I don't usually quote CNN, but reading an article that they wrote through gritted teeth is hilarious: https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/15/politics ... index.html

Stormy Daniels and her attorney, Michael Avenatti, sued President Trump, and lost. Big time. Not only was the lawsuit a victory for Trump, but Daniels/Avenatti were ordered to pay Trump's attorney fees, leading to the joke that Trump is the only guy to get a refund from an alleged hooker.

A federal judge has dismissed adult film star Stormy Daniels' defamation lawsuit against President Donald Trump. Daniels sued Trump after he said in a tweet that her story of a man threatening her not to come forward with her story of her alleged affair with Trump was "a total con job."

Daniels argued Trump's tweet, posted April 18, "attacks the veracity of her account" of the incident and that Trump's statement was "false and defamatory, and that the tweet was defamation ... because it charged her with committing a serious crime," District Judge S. James Otero wrote in his opinion Monday. Trump had asked Otero to dismiss the lawsuit. "The Court agrees with Mr. Trump's argument because the tweet in question constitutes 'rhetorical hyperbole' normally associated with politics and public discourse in the United States. The First Amendment protects this type of rhetorical statement," Otero wrote. In addition to dismissing the lawsuit, Otero ruled Trump is entitled to attorney's fees...

Trump's attorney Charles J. Harder said in a statement to CNN, "No amount of spin or commentary by Stormy Daniels or her lawyer, Mr. Avenatti, can truthfully characterize today's ruling in any way other than total victory for President Trump and total defeat for Stormy Daniels. The amount of the award for President Trump's attorneys' fees will be determined at a later date..."

So a strip tease dancer is going to be paying the attorney's fees of Trump's lawyer named Harder. You can't make this shit up. Perhaps, in order to pay his fees, Daniels might create a stormy dance with the title "Trump Harder"... sorry, someone had to say it

Thoughts, NSG? I think it's hilarious, and brings much needed levity to the rather hefty political discourse of the day.

I agree. It is hilarious that a porn star tried to sue Trump, lost, and has to pay his legal fees.

[North Atlantropa]

too bad Daft Punk beat you too it with this https://youtu.be/GDpmVUEjagg

[Vassenor]

So a normal part of court procedure is hilarious now?

[Arkhane]

I remember a recent porn ad of Stormy Daniels.
She killed hundreds of thousands of boners online by showing her saggy silicone droops and her cavernous, expired hoo-ha.

[Ifreann]

Wait, who's alleging Daniels to be a hooker?

[Sovaal]

I remember a recent porn ad of Stormy Daniels.
She killed hundreds of thousands of boners online by showing her saggy silicone droops and her cavernous, expired hoo-ha.

Honestly don’t see as to why anyone would hire her but eh, different strokes for different folks.

[Valentine Z]

This is probably one of those things you would expect from The Onion.

[Rostavykhan]

I guess you could say that Trump is off the hook.

[Vassenor]

I guess you could say that Trump is off the hook.

Not really. That's not the only suit she has going and the decision is being appealed.

[Farnhamia]

Wait, who's alleging Daniels to be a hooker?

I was wondering that myself. *looks at Shofercia* Perhaps the title should be edited?

[Myuta]

Wait, who's alleging Daniels to be a hooker?

I was wondering that myself. *looks at Shofercia* Perhaps the title should be edited?

Daniels calls herself a "Porn Star"^{Wikipedia Definition}, wikipedia states and I quote:

A pornographic actor (or actress for female), or porn star, is a person who performs sex acts in video that is usually characterized as a pornographic movie.

.

A 'hooker' is defined ^{Cambridge Dictionary, Collins Dictionary} as 'A Prostitute' and likewise a 'prostitute is defined ^{Oxford Dictionary}, a person who engages in sexual activity for payment. The legal definition of 'Prositute' is covered in Blacks Law Dictionary as:

A woman who indiscriminately consorts with men for hire. Carpenter v. People, 8 Barb. (N. Y.) 611; State v. Stoyell, 54 Me. 24, 89 Am. Dec. 716.

with Prostitution being defined as:

Common lewdness; whoredom; the act or practice of a woman who permits any man who will pay her price to have sexual intercourse with her. See Com. v. Cook, 12 Mete. (Mass.) 97. Protectio trahit subjectionem, et sub- jectio protectiouem. Protection draws with it subjection, and subjection protection. 7 Coke, 5a. The protection of an individual by government is on condition of his submis- sion to the laws, and such submission on the other hand entitles the individual to the protection of the government Broom, Max. 78.

The argument can and has been succinctly made in a number of cases ^CNN, the difference or why Pornographic Actors are not arrested under Prostitution legislation, is not because they are not prostitutes, but because the law gives them a narrow exemption as the act of performing for a movie is protected under the First Amendment.

To lawyer this, 'If Stormy Daniels had refused to engage in sexual activity during the filming of her role, she would have been fired without pay.' The whole point of a pornographic actor is that they engage in sexual activity.

QED.

Disclaimer: I am not the op, I was just curious and immediate assumed that this was a Stormy Daniels case.

Edit:

Additionally there's evidence of other people and publications calling her a prostitute: http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/23/sto ... tuting-tv/, Houston Chronicles have a piece implying she is: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinio ... 778283.php along with the miami herald (same opinion piece it seems). Philip Greenspun of Harvard: http://blogs.harvard.edu/philg/2018/03/ ... cologists/

While I wouldn't myself characterize her as a prostitute, in my opinion she's a Pornographic Actress, but I have no qualms with calling a spade a shovel.

[Farnhamia]

I was wondering that myself. *looks at Shofercia* Perhaps the title should be edited?

Daniels calls herself a "Porn Star"^{Wikipedia Definition}, wikipedia states and I quote:

A pornographic actor (or actress for female), or porn star, is a person who performs sex acts in video that is usually characterized as a pornographic movie.

.

A 'hooker' is defined ^{Cambridge Dictionary, Collins Dictionary} as 'A Prostitute' and likewise a 'prostitute is defined ^{Oxford Dictionary}, a person who engages in sexual activity for payment. The legal definition of 'Prositute' is covered in Blacks Law Dictionary as:

A woman who indiscriminately consorts with men for hire. Carpenter v. People, 8 Barb. (N. Y.) 611; State v. Stoyell, 54 Me. 24, 89 Am. Dec. 716.

with Prostitution being defined as:

Common lewdness; whoredom; the act or practice of a woman who permits any man who will pay her price to have sexual intercourse with her. See Com. v. Cook, 12 Mete. (Mass.) 97. Protectio trahit subjectionem, et sub- jectio protectiouem. Protection draws with it subjection, and subjection protection. 7 Coke, 5a. The protection of an individual by government is on condition of his submis- sion to the laws, and such submission on the other hand entitles the individual to the protection of the government Broom, Max. 78.

The argument can and has been succinctly made in a number of cases ^CNN, the difference or why Pornographic Actors are not arrested under Prostitution legislation, is not because they are not prostitutes, but because the law gives them a narrow exemption as the act of performing for a movie is protected under the First Amendment.

To lawyer this, 'If Stormy Daniels had refused to engage in sexual activity during the filming of her role, she would have been fired without pay.' The whole point of a pornographic actor is that they engage in sexual activity.

QED.

Prostitutes are paid by the people with whom they have sex. Porn actors/actresses are paid by the people for whom they are making the movie. Kind of a difference there. I still suggest the title be changed.

[Ifreann]

I was wondering that myself. *looks at Shofercia* Perhaps the title should be edited?

Daniels calls herself a "Porn Star"^{Wikipedia Definition}, wikipedia states and I quote:

A pornographic actor (or actress for female), or porn star, is a person who performs sex acts in video that is usually characterized as a pornographic movie.

.

A 'hooker' is defined ^{Cambridge Dictionary, Collins Dictionary} as 'A Prostitute' and likewise a 'prostitute is defined ^{Oxford Dictionary}, a person who engages in sexual activity for payment. The legal definition of 'Prositute' is covered in Blacks Law Dictionary as:

A woman who indiscriminately consorts with men for hire. Carpenter v. People, 8 Barb. (N. Y.) 611; State v. Stoyell, 54 Me. 24, 89 Am. Dec. 716.

with Prostitution being defined as:

Common lewdness; whoredom; the act or practice of a woman who permits any man who will pay her price to have sexual intercourse with her. See Com. v. Cook, 12 Mete. (Mass.) 97. Protectio trahit subjectionem, et sub- jectio protectiouem. Protection draws with it subjection, and subjection protection. 7 Coke, 5a. The protection of an individual by government is on condition of his submis- sion to the laws, and such submission on the other hand entitles the individual to the protection of the government Broom, Max. 78.

The argument can and has been succinctly made in a number of cases ^CNN, the difference or why Pornographic Actors are not arrested under Prostitution legislation, is not because they are not prostitutes, but because the law gives them a narrow exemption as the act of performing for a movie is protected under the First Amendment.

To lawyer this, 'If Stormy Daniels had refused to engage in sexual activity during the filming of her role, she would have been fired without pay.' The whole point of a pornographic actor is that they engage in sexual activity.

QED.

But who is alleging her to be a hooker?

[Shofercia]

too bad Daft Punk beat you too it with this https://youtu.be/GDpmVUEjagg

I love Daft Punk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlUsMuz9_RU

So a normal part of court procedure is hilarious now?

It can be: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/20 ... l-standish

United States District Court judge Gail Standish is about to become something of a hero, among the Swiftian masses. Taylor Swift had been sued by musician Jessie Braham, who alleged that Swift had taken lyrics from his song, titled “Haters Gone Hate,” in writing her mega-hit “Shake It Off.” (Braham claimed that “92 percent” of the Swift song was derived from his own.) The case was dismissed today, as, per CNN, Braham was assessed to not have provided enough in the way of actual factual evidence. But—now here’s where things get fun—Standish used Swift lyrics in her dismissal.

“At present, the Court is not saying that Braham can never, ever, ever get his case back in court,” Standish wrote. “But, for now, we have got problems, and the Court is not sure Braham can solve them. As currently drafted, the Complaint has a blank space—one that requires Braham to do more than write his name. And, upon consideration of the Court's explanation . . . Braham may discover that mere pleading Band-Aids will not fix the bullet holes in his case. At least for the moment, Defendants have shaken off this lawsuit.”

I guess you could say that Trump is off the hook.

Zing!

Wait, who's alleging Daniels to be a hooker?

I was wondering that myself. *looks at Shofercia* Perhaps the title should be edited?

Bunch of people:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinio ... 778283.php

Stormy Daniels may be a prostitute — but at least she’s honest

https://www.chron.com/national/article/ ... 784078.php

Pastor Greg Locke of Mt. Juliet, Tennessee sparked a Twitter debate when he tweeted, "The funny thing is @realDonaldTrump is still the President and she's still a hooker. #StormyDanielsDay"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-most- ... ref=scroll

Daniels doesn’t seem to have time to wrestle with the implications of Stormy Daniels, Resistance symbol—she’s too busy defending her reputation, being constantly attacked by internet trolls, and contending with potential retaliation and an uncertain future. Near the end of their interview, Cooper read Daniels a recent quote about her from Jenna Jameson: “The left looks at her as a whore and just uses her to try to discredit the president. The right looks at her like a treacherous rat. It’s a lose-lose. Should’ve kept her trap shut.” Daniels replied, “I think that she has a lotta wisdom in those words.”

Prostitute, whore, hooker, they're all synonyms. If political nicknaming was allowed, we'd get away with calling the President "Agent Orange", but since that's not allowed, no can do. However, if she didn't hook up with Trump, why'd he pay her over $100,000 for her silence?

[Shofercia]

Daniels calls herself a "Porn Star"^{Wikipedia Definition}, wikipedia states and I quote:
.

A 'hooker' is defined ^{Cambridge Dictionary, Collins Dictionary} as 'A Prostitute' and likewise a 'prostitute is defined ^{Oxford Dictionary}, a person who engages in sexual activity for payment. The legal definition of 'Prositute' is covered in Blacks Law Dictionary as:


with Prostitution being defined as:


The argument can and has been succinctly made in a number of cases ^CNN, the difference or why Pornographic Actors are not arrested under Prostitution legislation, is not because they are not prostitutes, but because the law gives them a narrow exemption as the act of performing for a movie is protected under the First Amendment.

To lawyer this, 'If Stormy Daniels had refused to engage in sexual activity during the filming of her role, she would have been fired without pay.' The whole point of a pornographic actor is that they engage in sexual activity.

QED.

Prostitutes are paid by the people with whom they have sex. Porn actors/actresses are paid by the people for whom they are making the movie. Kind of a difference there. I still suggest the title be changed.

I think that Myuta has conclusively proven that she is a porn star. If, after reading my post, you still want the title changed, I'll change it to: Trump Gets Refund from a Porn Star for Bad Services. Your call Farn.

[Shofercia]

I guess you could say that Trump is off the hook.

Not really. That's not the only suit she has going and the decision is being appealed.

You have to live in another galaxy to think that she's going to win that appeal. The President is a US Citizen, and his speech is protected by the First Amendment.

[Farnhamia]

too bad Daft Punk beat you too it with this https://youtu.be/GDpmVUEjagg

I love Daft Punk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlUsMuz9_RU

So a normal part of court procedure is hilarious now?

It can be: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/20 ... l-standish

United States District Court judge Gail Standish is about to become something of a hero, among the Swiftian masses. Taylor Swift had been sued by musician Jessie Braham, who alleged that Swift had taken lyrics from his song, titled “Haters Gone Hate,” in writing her mega-hit “Shake It Off.” (Braham claimed that “92 percent” of the Swift song was derived from his own.) The case was dismissed today, as, per CNN, Braham was assessed to not have provided enough in the way of actual factual evidence. But—now here’s where things get fun—Standish used Swift lyrics in her dismissal.

“At present, the Court is not saying that Braham can never, ever, ever get his case back in court,” Standish wrote. “But, for now, we have got problems, and the Court is not sure Braham can solve them. As currently drafted, the Complaint has a blank space—one that requires Braham to do more than write his name. And, upon consideration of the Court's explanation . . . Braham may discover that mere pleading Band-Aids will not fix the bullet holes in his case. At least for the moment, Defendants have shaken off this lawsuit.”

I guess you could say that Trump is off the hook.

Zing!

I was wondering that myself. *looks at Shofercia* Perhaps the title should be edited?

Bunch of people:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinio ... 778283.php

Stormy Daniels may be a prostitute — but at least she’s honest

https://www.chron.com/national/article/ ... 784078.php

Pastor Greg Locke of Mt. Juliet, Tennessee sparked a Twitter debate when he tweeted, "The funny thing is @realDonaldTrump is still the President and she's still a hooker. #StormyDanielsDay"

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-most- ... ref=scroll

Daniels doesn’t seem to have time to wrestle with the implications of Stormy Daniels, Resistance symbol—she’s too busy defending her reputation, being constantly attacked by internet trolls, and contending with potential retaliation and an uncertain future. Near the end of their interview, Cooper read Daniels a recent quote about her from Jenna Jameson: “The left looks at her as a whore and just uses her to try to discredit the president. The right looks at her like a treacherous rat. It’s a lose-lose. Should’ve kept her trap shut.” Daniels replied, “I think that she has a lotta wisdom in those words.”

Prostitute, whore, hooker, they're all synonyms. If political nicknaming was allowed, we'd get away with calling the President "Agent Orange", but since that's not allowed, no can do. However, if she didn't hook up with Trump, why'd he pay her over $100,000 for her silence?

He paid her for her silence so it wouldn't hurt his chances in the election. Don't be disingenuous. Besides, knowing what we know about him, even if Trump promised to pay her for sex, he wouldn't pay her. All you've shown are other people calling her a prostitute but nothing that says she's ever taken money from her sex partner. Anyway, it was merely a suggestion.

[Myuta]

I uh edited my post to add in some stuff at the bottom.

Prostitutes are paid by the people with whom they have sex. Porn actors/actresses are paid by the people for whom they are making the movie. Kind of a difference there. I still suggest the title be changed.

This is not a definition that is accepted in American law or even international common law. A person who receives money for "sexual activity" is a prostitute, that's the oxford dictionary definition and the common meaning that we use today.

The People's Law Dictionary

n. a person who receives payment for sexual intercourse or other sexual acts, generally as a regular occupation. Although usually a prostitute refers to a woman offering sexual favors to men, male prostitutes may perform homosexual acts for money or receive payment from women for sexual services. A woman prostitute who is sent on a "date" to the hotel room or residence of a male customer is commonly referred to as a "call girl."

Please note the lack of qualifier that it must be paid by the person receiving the activity.

LectLaw.com

The giving or receiving of the body for sexual activity for hire but excludes sexual activity between spouses. (Fla. Statutes '94)

Performing for hire, or offering or agreeing to perform for hire where there is an exchange of value, any of the following acts: Sexual intercourse; sodomy, or; manual or other bodily contact stimulation of the genitals of any person with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desires of the offender or another.(Kansas Statutes '95)

The common lewdness of a woman for gain.

In all well regulated communities this has been considered a heinous offence, for which the woman may be punished, and the keeper of a house of prostitution may be indicted for keeping a common nuisance.

So much does the law abhor this offence, that a landlord cannot recover for the use and occupation of a house let for the purpose of prostitution.

In a figurative sense, it signifies the bad use which a corrupt judge makes of the law, by making it subservient to his interest; as, the prostitution of the law, the prostitution of justice.

To put my neck on the line. I am calling Stormy Daniels a Prostitute. I don't mean that in a pejorative sense, I do not intend to insult her, I state it as a sign of respect that this is her chosen profession and she makes a lot of money out of it.

[Petrasylvania]

If porn stars are prostitutes then the entire industry would either be shut down, relocate to Nevada, or worst of all go underground.

[Weed]

I mean... She probably didn't have sex with Trump out of extreme physical attraction to a 60 year old. She probably was aware there was some financial gain to be had through the act from the (then) businessman. And It seems she was paid (well) for it though admittedly later. And it doesn't seem like anyone recorded it at all (thank god).

Probably not as blatantly transnational as what comes to mind when you think of "Hooker", but also not as big of a stretch as others are making it out to be.

[Shofercia]

If porn stars are prostitutes then the entire industry would either be shut down, relocate to Nevada, or worst of all go underground.

They're not prostitutes under the US set of legal definitions, the same set of definitions where a corporation is a person. We don't usually think of McDonald's as a human being, but under Citizen's United...

[Painisia]

Now, a bizarre cartoonish case about a porn star and a buffoon can turn the US upside down......

[Des-Bal]

What's the thread? Trump was awarded attorney's fees. Okay. So now we argue about what is and is not a prostitute? We laugh at a the idea of Trump getting a refund even though that's in no way what happened? I don't see the substance.

[Kernen]

So a normal part of court procedure is hilarious now?

To be fair, most court procedure is pretty funny at one level or another. I still giggle a little when court opinions say "duty."

Heh. Duty. Doody.