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El-Amin Caliphate
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Theocracy Discussion Thread

Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:08 pm

ُالسَّّلامٌ عَلَيْكُم وَرَحْمَةٌ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُه
Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatuhu
May the peace, mercy of Allah SWT be upon you
بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمَانِ الرَّحٍيم
Bismillahi rraHmaani rraHeem
In the name of Allah SWT, most gracious, most merciful

Welcome to the Theocracy Discussion Thread! This is where all the cool Theocrats get to hang out and discuss the merits of the unification of church/masjid/synagogue/temple/etc. and state. We can also debate on which theocratic system is best and debate with non-theocrats. Ok, now for my hot take:

When I 1st started getting interested in theocracies, I made up an ideology called a Democratic Theocracy. This factbook I made on it describes how it works: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=el- ... /id=677140
No lol, this has nothing to do with the Mormon Theodemocracy, I didn't even know about the ideology when I came up with this.
I still kinda like this ideology, but it's not 100 in line with Al-Islam, which led me to Islamism. Keep on mind, this isn't the Saudi-style nor ISIS-style Islamism we all know and hate. This is moderate Islamism, and yes, there are different types. Also, I don't necessarily agree with all the moderate Islamism in that wiki link, but then again, I haven't read it in a while.

So, yeah, I guess that's it. Have at it, y'all! Pls be respectful.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:23 pm

I’m deeply and fundamentally opposed to theocracy
Secular rule is established to keep all people under the same law no matter the faith, and theocracy at its best means different laws for different people and at its worst is downright discriminatory
Religious law should never override secular law
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Postby Reikoku » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:45 pm

Theocracy has almost always ended in disaster and relies on ignorance and self-righteousness disguised as piety and humility. There have been some Buddhist theocracies, such as Tibet, and Buddhist countries with blasphemy laws, such as Sri Lanka. But they forgot the true meaning of Buddhism in favor of pride and self-aggrandizement. I will never accept any type of theocracy, especially from my own religion.
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Postby Dreshand » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:47 pm

A theocracy is basically a dictatorship under a more dangerous name. But on the other hand I'm probably slowly making my nation into a theocracy
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Postby Dreshand » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:47 pm

Ignore this, double posting is a problem
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:47 pm

Reikoku wrote:Theocracy has almost always ended in disaster and relies on ignorance and self-righteousness disguised as piety and humility. There have been some Buddhist theocracies, such as Tibet, and Buddhist countries with blasphemy laws, such as Sri Lanka. But they forgot the true meaning of Buddhism in favor of pride and self-aggrandizement. I will never accept any type of theocracy, especially from my own religion.

Yes as a Tibetan Buddhist even I shudder at the idea of monks ruling the nation
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:48 pm

Ataturk wrote:I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea. He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go.
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Postby Dreshand » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:49 pm

Why can't I delete my double post
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:49 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Ataturk wrote:I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea. He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap. My people are going to learn the principles of democracy, the dictates of truth and the teachings of science. Superstition must go.

لعنة الله عليه
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:50 pm

Dreshand wrote:Why can't I delete my double post

Once someone else make a post you can't delete your post. You can only edit it.
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Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
Scroll down to The Archregimancy's post. This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't ban anyone who uses kafir.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:51 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote: لعنة الله عليه

Hiding your curses of great men behind language barriers does not diminish how feeble those curses are.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:51 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote: لعنة الله عليه

Hiding your curses of great men behind language barriers does not diminish how feeble those curses are.

They aren't feeble.
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
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I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
Scroll down to The Archregimancy's post. This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't ban anyone who uses kafir.
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Postby Reikoku » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:52 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Reikoku wrote:Theocracy has almost always ended in disaster and relies on ignorance and self-righteousness disguised as piety and humility. There have been some Buddhist theocracies, such as Tibet, and Buddhist countries with blasphemy laws, such as Sri Lanka. But they forgot the true meaning of Buddhism in favor of pride and self-aggrandizement. I will never accept any type of theocracy, especially from my own religion.

Yes as a Tibetan Buddhist even I shudder at the idea of monks ruling the nation


Especially because not all lamas are monks, meaning that they're not required to be celibate and can start families. Which increases the risk of nepotism and corruption.
Sovereign Kings Sutra wrote:“Among all disasters, nothing surpasses the extreme gravity of losing the nation’s sovereign status.”
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:52 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:

لعنة الله عليه

I will never for the life of me learn to read Arabic
I think I see God in there, forbid?
Call me Alex, I insist
I am a girl, damnit
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Postby Dreshand » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:52 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Hiding your curses of great men behind language barriers does not diminish how feeble those curses are.

They aren't feeble.

I'm going to shove them into a translator
EDIT: God Curse him eh?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:53 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:لعنة الله عليه

I will never for the life of me learn to read Arabic
I think I see God in there, forbid?

"God curse him"

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Postby Khataiy » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:54 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:لعنة الله عليه

I will never for the life of me learn to read Arabic
I think I see God in there, forbid?

It says God's curse upon

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:54 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Yes as a Tibetan Buddhist even I shudder at the idea of monks ruling the nation


Especially because not all lamas are monks, meaning that they're not required to be celibate and can start families. Which increases the risk of nepotism and corruption.

Very true
I’m not a fan of religious feudalism spreading around
Call me Alex, I insist
I am a girl, damnit
Slut Pride. So like, real talk, I’m a porn actress. We’re not all bimbos. I do not give out my information or videos to avoid conflict with site policy. I’m happy to talk about the industry or my thoughts on the career but I will not be showing you any goodies. Sorry
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:55 pm

Khataiy wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I will never for the life of me learn to read Arabic
I think I see God in there, forbid?

It says God's curse upon

Damn, five years trying to read it, still can’t
Call me Alex, I insist
I am a girl, damnit
Slut Pride. So like, real talk, I’m a porn actress. We’re not all bimbos. I do not give out my information or videos to avoid conflict with site policy. I’m happy to talk about the industry or my thoughts on the career but I will not be showing you any goodies. Sorry
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:56 pm

We've spent the good part of our entire history trying to escape from the dictates of made up supreme beings telling us what to do. To regress is essentially insanity.
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Postby Reikoku » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:57 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Especially because not all lamas are monks, meaning that they're not required to be celibate and can start families. Which increases the risk of nepotism and corruption.

Very true
I’m not a fan of religious feudalism spreading around


As a wise man once said "逢佛殺佛." :p
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Postby Dreshand » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:57 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Very true
I’m not a fan of religious feudalism spreading around


As a wise man once said "逢佛殺佛." :p

>Is native Chinese
>Somehow sh_t at chinese
>Can't read this, will require translation pls
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:00 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Very true
I’m not a fan of religious feudalism spreading around


As a wise man once said "逢佛殺佛." :p

Wo ye yongyuan be hui xuhui yudoe
But yes that’s a good quote
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:01 pm

Dreshand wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
As a wise man once said "逢佛殺佛." :p

>Is native Chinese
>Somehow sh_t at chinese
>Can't read this, will require translation pls

Buddha kills Buddha
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Postby Reikoku » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:02 pm

Dreshand wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
As a wise man once said "逢佛殺佛." :p

>Is native Chinese
>Somehow sh_t at chinese
>Can't read this, will require translation pls


I'm not sure I even wrote it right, and it's probably an archaic form. Basically it says "if you meet the Buddha, kill the Buddha."
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