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Kenmoria
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Founded: Jul 03, 2017
Corporate Bordello

Postby Kenmoria » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:31 pm

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:
Preventing the Execution of Innocents was passed 9,244 votes to 8,475.

(OOC: I admit I’m suprised, I thought the Nat-sov crowd would halt any attempts to ban capital punishment, but it seem that the WA is ready for bigger, stronger, better proposals that do have some impact beyond recommendations and weak mandates. Well done to IA for doing something that will definitely annoy ambassadors for years to come.)
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This is due to a problem with how the WA contradicts our democracy
However we do have a WA mission and often participate in drafting
Current ambassador: James Lewitt

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Tel Maresh
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Founded: Oct 16, 2016
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Tel Maresh » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:03 am

West Phoenicia wrote:Nations need to realise when you endorse you are allowing that super delegate to place their vote where they choose. Even though a number who endorsed this super delegate voted against the proposal when they were an individual. If you're going to let your super delegate vote than that should be it.


I actually had not read this anywhere (yet--still new to WA), so I am grateful to have it explained so simply. Since I am an active WA member, I will be withdrawing my regional endorsement. I can see how regional endorsement could be used judiciously for nations that do not wish to actively participate in the WA, but yes, doubling up the vote seems ridiculous, at best.

Nagatoshi wrote:As this proposal is clearly headed to pass, I have this to declare: The authoritarian nature of this proposal goes outside the jurisdiction of the World Assembly. The nature of this document to become so entrenched in the national politics of every nation here will ultimately make the World Assembly into the World Government. As such, Nagatoshi has found itself unable to support the World Assembly any longer and therefore withdraws from the organization.

Though we do not encourage other nations to do the same, the nature of the last two proposals show a decline in the democratic and free nature that the World Assembly was originally supposed to support. The very fact that the same nation proposed a restriction on capital punishment right after the proposal of a ban on the action is simply a veil of the motives of said nation. Any supporters that switched sides from Against to For simply ignore the in depth text right in front of them rather due to it 'sounding nicer' rather than really delving into the hidden motives this text supplies. An eventual downfall of individualism in the World Assembly will occur, and I will not stand for it.

Nagatoshi now removes itself from the World assembly to keep its sovereignty and personal freedoms not controlled by a corrupt council where decisions are decided in the hands of a few rather than the many. Thank you, and good luck with your dictators.


As a nation which did switch their vote between the two proposals, but in the opposite direction (from "for" an outright ban to "against" this over-reaching drivel), I wish you luck on your further journeys, but also hope that you will reconsider, since the only way to keep democracy is to participate in it.
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True Spain
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Founded: Apr 13, 2011
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby True Spain » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:44 am

"Very, very sad. The multiple errors of this rushed attempt at a legitimate proposal have been outlined numerous times in this very chamber, but it seems that my fellow delegates have quite the low bar for approving resolutions. I wonder how many of them actually read in depth this proposal. However, that does not matter now. The influence of regional delegates have turned this mess into an actual binding resolution. We will be doing our best to comply with it, but will also naturally use its loopholes to make our statement on the matter. A repeal is in order, and it frankly cannot come soon enough. Hopefully better drafted than this resolution, of course."

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Bears Armed Mission
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Founded: Jul 26, 2008
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed Mission » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:38 am

"Fortunately, the fact that this Mission is staffed by carefully-selected personnel means that capital cases are reasonably unlikely to occur among urrs anyhows. If any such cases do occur, however, the fact that as our 'population' is only 200 or thereabouts we would only be allowed to submit one case to this WA agency for validation every five millennia might pose a slight problem..."

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This is the WA Mission of Bears Armed, but is technically defined as a separate nation in its own right for all legal purposes. Population = sixty-four staff, plus some dependents.

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Sonderweg
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Founded: Sep 15, 2018
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Sonderweg » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:22 pm

Nagatoshi wrote:As this proposal is clearly headed to pass, I have this to declare: The authoritarian nature of this proposal goes outside the jurisdiction of the World Assembly. The nature of this document to become so entrenched in the national politics of every nation here will ultimately make the World Assembly into the World Government. As such, Nagatoshi has found itself unable to support the World Assembly any longer and therefore withdraws from the organization.

Though we do not encourage other nations to do the same, the nature of the last two proposals show a decline in the democratic and free nature that the World Assembly was originally supposed to support. The very fact that the same nation proposed a restriction on capital punishment right after the proposal of a ban on the action is simply a veil of the motives of said nation. Any supporters that switched sides from Against to For simply ignore the in depth text right in front of them rather due to it 'sounding nicer' rather than really delving into the hidden motives this text supplies. An eventual downfall of individualism in the World Assembly will occur, and I will not stand for it.

Nagatoshi now removes itself from the World assembly to keep its sovereignty and personal freedoms not controlled by a corrupt council where decisions are decided in the hands of a few rather than the many. Thank you, and good luck with your dictators.

"I am saddened to hear this, and hope you will reconsider withdrawing from the World Assembly. As another Ambassador to my left noted, Democracy only exists as long as people participate in it. If too many discontent nations leave the WA, it risks giving a single Ideology or voting bloc a huge amount of power in dictating what resolutions pass. Mind you I am saying this as a member state that voted for the resolution and would stand to gain by your nation leaving.

Regardless of your nation's decision, I wish you best of luck in the future."
Heinrich August Winkler on the Sonderweg:
"For a long time, educated Germans answered it in the positive, initially by laying claim to a special German mission, then, after the collapse of 1945, by criticizing Germany's deviation from the West. Today, the negative view is predominant. Germany did not, according to the now prevailing opinion, differ from the great European nations to an extent that would justify speaking of a 'unique German path'. And, in any case, no country on earth ever took what can be described as the 'normal path'".

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Ghost Land
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Founded: Feb 14, 2014
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Ghost Land » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:30 pm

Nagatoshi wrote:As this proposal is clearly headed to pass, I have this to declare: The authoritarian nature of this proposal goes outside the jurisdiction of the World Assembly. The nature of this document to become so entrenched in the national politics of every nation here will ultimately make the World Assembly into the World Government. As such, Nagatoshi has found itself unable to support the World Assembly any longer and therefore withdraws from the organization.

Though we do not encourage other nations to do the same, the nature of the last two proposals show a decline in the democratic and free nature that the World Assembly was originally supposed to support. The very fact that the same nation proposed a restriction on capital punishment right after the proposal of a ban on the action is simply a veil of the motives of said nation. Any supporters that switched sides from Against to For simply ignore the in depth text right in front of them rather due to it 'sounding nicer' rather than really delving into the hidden motives this text supplies. An eventual downfall of individualism in the World Assembly will occur, and I will not stand for it.

Nagatoshi now removes itself from the World assembly to keep its sovereignty and personal freedoms not controlled by a corrupt council where decisions are decided in the hands of a few rather than the many. Thank you, and good luck with your dictators.

My main nation has also resigned from the WA as a result of this. 60s Music can make 60s Music's own decisions, thank you very much.

Edit: Rejoined just so I can get me some endorsements, heh.
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Xanthal
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Posts: 990
Founded: Apr 16, 2005
New York Times Democracy

Postby Xanthal » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:49 pm

The High Court of the Federation has ordered a moratorium on all non-voluntary judicial executions while it debates how to best comply with this new legislation. Indefinite prison sentences run contrary to the values of the Xanthalian people, so a different solution will have to be found. I don't suppose any of the abolitionists here would petition their governments to take in these poor people whom their crusade has left in limbo?
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Leifar
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Founded: Sep 10, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Leifar » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:49 am

Leifar begins to immediately form a repeal draft for the Law. Preventing the Execution of Innocents is not always accurate. Nor is it always possible.

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Kenmoria
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Founded: Jul 03, 2017
Corporate Bordello

Postby Kenmoria » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:16 am

Leifar wrote:Leifar begins to immediately form a repeal draft for the Law. Preventing the Execution of Innocents is not always accurate. Nor is it always possible.

The resolution doesn’t actually require member nations to only execute those who are innocent and not guilty, that would be impossible. It does however require member nations to comply with certain standards, such as only executing one person per 1,000,000.)
A representative democracy with a parliament of 535 seats
Currently centre-right on economy but centre-left on social issues
Located in Europe and border France to the right and Spain below
NS stats and policies are not canon, use the factbooks
Not in the WA despite coincidentally following all resolutions
This is due to a problem with how the WA contradicts our democracy
However we do have a WA mission and often participate in drafting
Current ambassador: James Lewitt

For more information, read the factbooks here.

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Cosmopolitan borovan
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Founded: Jan 18, 2018
Father Knows Best State

Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:44 pm

Leifar wrote:Leifar begins to immediately form a repeal draft for the Law. Preventing the Execution of Innocents is not always accurate. Nor is it always possible.

Which is why we have efficient trials. The less civilized nations of the world may have worse legal systems but I'm sure that's different with us.
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Saranidia
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Founded: Sep 14, 2018
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Saranidia » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:28 pm

People get worked up on how this limits executions but surely it is better than summary executions being allowed

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Bears Armed Mission
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Founded: Jul 26, 2008
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed Mission » Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:47 am

Saranidia wrote:People get worked up on how this limits executions but surely it is better than summary executions being allowed

"Other resolutions already forbade summary executions, and held member nations' courts to reasonable standards of fairness."

Hwa Sue,
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(and anthropomorphic male Giant Panda).
This is the WA Mission of Bears Armed, but is technically defined as a separate nation in its own right for all legal purposes. Population = sixty-four staff, plus some dependents.

GA Resolution Author

Ardchoille says: “Bears can be depended on for decent arguments even when there aren't any”.

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