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[ABANDONED] Restrictions On The Editing Of Genes

Postby Free Masonic States » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:33 pm

Restrictions On The Editing Of Genes

Category: Bioethics
Area of Effect: Health
Proposed by: Free Masonic States


This Assembly,

GENE EDITING: Defined as the intentional modification of an organisms DNA.

REALIZING that editing the genes of an organism for the specific purpose of causing harm is not ethical.

Gene Editing is a great tool for trying to stop epidemics or treat certain diseases. However, it needs to be regulated, for the fact that it can be used to make super-organisms that are much better at destroying physical features and other organisms.

(i). Gene Editing of any organism shall be considered biologically unethical and will be prohibited if;
    -The organism will be used with the intention of causing harm to another organism, besides pests
    -If an organism is modified for the purpose of treating a disorder, disease, or infection and begins harming any other organism or physical feature, it shall be stopped by whatever means necessary
    -If the organism is sapient it shall be stopped with humane methods (Imprisonment, Relocation)

(ii). However, the following beneficial uses of Gene Editing will remain legal;
    -The use of Gene Editing for the purpose of curing diseases, disorders, or infections
Last edited by Free Masonic States on Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:31 am, edited 10 times in total.

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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:10 am

"The third clause is overly long and looks quite odd in a piece of law, consider dividing it into separate clauses. Also, I fail to see how this is an international issue."
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Postby The First German Order » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:40 am

“This seems unnecessary. Editing genes is not an international issue. Whether a nation does it or not really depends on ethics. Opposed.”
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:22 am

OOC: I would suggest adding "pests" into the list of organisms you're allowed to hurt, as that would allow for more natural pest control.
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Postby Free Masonic States » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:10 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: I would suggest adding "pests" into the list of organisms you're allowed to hurt, as that would allow for more natural pest control.

Ok, Ill add it.

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:10 pm

Free Masonic States wrote:(i). Gene Editing of any organism shall be considered biologically unethical and will be prohibited if;
    -The organism will be used with the intention of causing harm to another organism, including pests


"Ambassador, does this include gene therapy given to members of military organizations to enhance their performance and survival rates? If so, we categorically oppose."


    -This also includes the stopping of any genetically modified organism if it has any side-effects that conflict with the first clause


"We're unclear what this clause is attempting to say."
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Postby Alpha Cassiopeiae » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:24 pm

Free Masonic States wrote:Gene Editing is a great tool for trying to stop epidemics or treat certain diseases. However, it needs to be regulated, these regulations would include the prohibition of genetically modifying an organism for the purpose of damaging any physical feature.
"This is inappropriate in a legal code. Justifications should be short clauses at the beginning of the proposal and should not include requirements. Also, requirements (such as prohibiting damaging physical features) should be in their own clause in the actual body of the law with legal force."

(i). Gene Editing of any organism shall be considered biologically unethical and will be prohibited if;
    -The organism will be used with the intention of causing harm to another organism, including pests
"Why specifically mention pests? Any organism means any organism. And why prohibit pest control?"
    -This also includes the stopping of any genetically modified organism if it has any side-effects that conflict with the first clause
"This is awkwardly worded and I'm not quite certain what this is intended to mean."
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:19 am

"Also, many WA nations have a genetically enhanced military to reduce fatalities, which the first line of the i clause would prohibit.'
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Postby Araraukar » Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:41 am

Alpha Cassiopeiae wrote:"Why specifically mention pests? Any organism means any organism. And why prohibit pest control?"

OOC: They just added it to the wrong list. They were supposed to add it to the exceptions in (ii).
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Postby Free Masonic States » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:20 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Free Masonic States wrote:(i). Gene Editing of any organism shall be considered biologically unethical and will be prohibited if;
    -The organism will be used with the intention of causing harm to another organism, including pests


"Ambassador, does this include gene therapy given to members of military organizations to enhance their performance and survival rates? If so, we categorically oppose."

Yes, because of the increased performance and survival rates.

    -This also includes the stopping of any genetically modified organism if it has any side-effects that conflict with the first clause


"We're unclear what this clause is attempting to say."

I have updated the clause making it easier to understand.

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Postby Free Masonic States » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:07 am

Kenmoria wrote:"The third clause is overly long and looks quite odd in a piece of law, consider dividing it into separate clauses. Also, I fail to see how this is an international issue."

Fixed the third clause.

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Postby Free Masonic States » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:11 am

Alpha Cassiopeiae wrote:
Free Masonic States wrote:Gene Editing is a great tool for trying to stop epidemics or treat certain diseases. However, it needs to be regulated, these regulations would include the prohibition of genetically modifying an organism for the purpose of damaging any physical feature.
"This is inappropriate in a legal code. Justifications should be short clauses at the beginning of the proposal and should not include requirements. Also, requirements (such as prohibiting damaging physical features) should be in their own clause in the actual body of the law with legal force."

Fixed.
(i). Gene Editing of any organism shall be considered biologically unethical and will be prohibited if;
    -The organism will be used with the intention of causing harm to another organism, including pests
"Why specifically mention pests? Any organism means any organism. And why prohibit pest control?"[/quote]
I accidentally placed that on the wrong clause.
    -This also includes the stopping of any genetically modified organism if it has any side-effects that conflict with the first clause
"This is awkwardly worded and I'm not quite certain what this is intended to mean."

It means that any organism that is modified that ends up destroying physical features or other organisms shall be stopped.

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Postby The First German Order » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:18 am

Free Masonic States wrote:
Alpha Cassiopeiae wrote:"This is inappropriate in a legal code. Justifications should be short clauses at the beginning of the proposal and should not include requirements. Also, requirements (such as prohibiting damaging physical features) should be in their own clause in the actual body of the law with legal force."

Fixed.
(i). Gene Editing of any organism shall be considered biologically unethical and will be prohibited if;
    -The organism will be used with the intention of causing harm to another organism, including pests
"Why specifically mention pests? Any organism means any organism. And why prohibit pest control?"

I accidentally placed that on the wrong clause.
    -This also includes the stopping of any genetically modified organism if it has any side-effects that conflict with the first clause
"This is awkwardly worded and I'm not quite certain what this is intended to mean."

It means that any organism that is modified that ends up destroying physical features or other organisms shall be stopped.

"And if that modified organism is unstoppable and/or sapient..?"
Last edited by The First German Order on Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:46 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:22 am

(OOC: You have a random list tag in the last clause.)
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Postby Free Masonic States » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:41 pm

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: You have a random list tag in the last clause.)

Fixed.

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Postby Free Masonic States » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:44 pm

The First German Order wrote:
Free Masonic States wrote:Fixed.
"Why specifically mention pests? Any organism means any organism. And why prohibit pest control?"

I accidentally placed that on the wrong clause.
    -This also includes the stopping of any genetically modified organism if it has any side-effects that conflict with the first clause
It means that any organism that is modified that ends up destroying physical features or other organisms shall be stopped.

"And if that modified organism is unstoppable and/or sapient..?"

If it were sapient it could be negotiated with, and if it doesn't agree to the terms, it shall be destroyed. See Clause For Update
An unstoppable organism seems very, very , very unlikely.
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Postby Araraukar » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:20 pm

Free Masonic States wrote:If it were sapient it could be negotiated with, and if it doesn't agree to the terms, it shall be destroyed.

OOC: Um, that would count as murder...
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:18 am

Free Masonic States wrote:
The First German Order wrote:I accidentally placed that on the wrong clause.

"And if that modified organism is unstoppable and/or sapient..?"

If it were sapient it could be negotiated with, and if it doesn't agree to the terms, it shall be destroyed.
An unstoppable organism seems very, very , very unlikely.

(OOC: That seems rather like murder or at least manslaughter, you seem to explicitly be giving sapient organising created through genetic modification lower rights that biologically created ones.)
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Postby Free Masonic States » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:25 am

Araraukar wrote:
Free Masonic States wrote:If it were sapient it could be negotiated with, and if it doesn't agree to the terms, it shall be destroyed.

OOC: Um, that would count as murder...

Kenmoria wrote:
Free Masonic States wrote:If it were sapient it could be negotiated with, and if it doesn't agree to the terms, it shall be destroyed.
An unstoppable organism seems very, very , very unlikely.

(OOC: That seems rather like murder or at least manslaughter, you seem to explicitly be giving sapient organizing created through genetic modification lower rights that biologically created ones.)


See the updated clause regarding sapient organisms.

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:46 am

OOC: This has been submitted.
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Mar 16, 2018 10:49 am

(OOC: This a way too short a period of submission, most proposals are drafted for weeks or months before being ready.)
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Postby Free Masonic States » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:46 pm

Free Masonic States wrote:
THIS HAS BEEN SUBMITTED!
Approve It Here



This is my first General Assembly Proposal, what do you think?
Restrictions On The Editing Of Genes


Category: Bioethics
Area of Effect: Health
Proposed by: Free Masonic States


This Assembly,

GENE EDITING: Defined as the intentional modification of an organisms DNA.

REALIZING that editing the genes of an organism for the specific purpose of causing harm is not ethical.

Gene Editing is a great tool for trying to stop epidemics or treat certain diseases. However, it needs to be regulated, for the fact that it can be used to make super-organisms that are much better at destroying physical features and other organisms.

(i). Gene Editing of any organism shall be considered biologically unethical and will be prohibited if;
    -The organism will be used with the intention of causing harm to another organism, besides pests
    -If an organism is modified for the purpose of treating a disorder, disease, or infection and begins harming any other organism or physical feature, it shall be stopped by whatever means necessary
    -If the organism is sapient it shall be stopped with humane methods (Imprisonment, Relocation)

(ii). However, the following beneficial uses of Gene Editing will remain legal;
    -The use of Gene Editing for the purpose of curing diseases, disorders, or infections


This is a very rough draft, but remember this is my first General Assembly proposal.
Tell me what I should improve.


This proposal is now waiting for approvals, click the link below to approve it.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=free_masonic_states_1521214404

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:51 pm

ELSIE MORTIMER WELLESLEY: After receiving a notice from one of the Assembly's boards, we received the following, somewhat amateurish, telegram, reproduced verbatim:

ATTENTION WORLD ASSEMBLY DELEGATES
I would like you to approve my proposal for the General Assembly! The name of the proposal is 'Restrictions On The Editing Of Genes'. This proposal has to do with the misuse genetic modifications.
It includes:
Outlining what is classified as misuse of gene editing.
Outlining what is classified as legal use of gene editing.

Thanks In Advance

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Postby Stoskavanya » Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:04 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:ELSIE MORTIMER WELLESLEY: After receiving a notice from one of the Assembly's boards, we received the following, somewhat amateurish, telegram, reproduced verbatim:

Better do what it says, he thanked you in advance.

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