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How did Jennifer Government spawn NS?

Postby Yatzatz » Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:51 am

I just read Jennifer Government, the novel that inspired Max Barry to make NS. However, I can't tell what the book has to do with NS. Can someone tell me what about the novel inspired him to make NS?
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:34 am

You must add more to the OP, such as your opinion, or this will be locked for having insufficient OP.

Anyway, NS was originally created to promote Jennifer Government by Max Barry
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:28 am

The Federation of Kendor wrote:You must add more to the OP, such as your opinion, or this will be locked for having insufficient OP.

Anyway, NS was originally created to promote Jennifer Government by Max Barry

I'm not sure how the OP could offer an opinion on something like this. Yatzatz is asking a direct question, to which they clearly don't know the answer.

You're right on the second part, though. This game was initially a promotional website for the book Jennifer Government by Max Barry, the book's author. I'm not sure how many people have actually read the book as a result of this website, but it's been a remarkable success in and of itself. The link, of course, is that Jennifer Government is a book about a dystopian future that deals with political themes, and NationStates gives you the opportunity to create your very own dystopian or utopian nation based on your own politics (or to be a horrible dictator for kicks).
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:28 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:You must add more to the OP, such as your opinion, or this will be locked for having insufficient OP.

Anyway, NS was originally created to promote Jennifer Government by Max Barry

I'm not sure how the OP could offer an opinion on something like this. Yatzatz is asking a direct question, to which they clearly don't know the answer.

You're right on the second part, though. This game was initially a promotional website for the book Jennifer Government by Max Barry, the book's author. I'm not sure how many people have actually read the book as a result of this website, but it's been a remarkable success in and of itself. The link, of course, is that Jennifer Government is a book about a dystopian future that deals with political themes, and NationStates gives you the opportunity to create your very own dystopian or utopian nation based on your own politics (or to be a horrible dictator for kicks).


Indeed. I only learned of the book and the site when I wandered by a book store and Max was giving a talk.
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Postby Yatzatz » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:25 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:The link is that Jennifer Government is a book about a dystopian future that deals with political themes, and NationStates gives you the opportunity to create your very own dystopian or utopian nation based on your own politics (or to be a horrible dictator for kicks).

I got that much. But why a website where you can make a nation? What does making a nation have to do with one specific dystopia? It would seem to make more sense if it was, say, a site where you can make your own corporation. Why NS?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:27 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:You must add more to the OP, such as your opinion, or this will be locked for having insufficient OP.

Anyway, NS was originally created to promote Jennifer Government by Max Barry

I'm not sure how the OP could offer an opinion on something like this. Yatzatz is asking a direct question, to which they clearly don't know the answer.

You're right on the second part, though. This game was initially a promotional website for the book Jennifer Government by Max Barry, the book's author. I'm not sure how many people have actually read the book as a result of this website, but it's been a remarkable success in and of itself. The link, of course, is that Jennifer Government is a book about a dystopian future that deals with political themes, and NationStates gives you the opportunity to create your very own dystopian or utopian nation based on your own politics (or to be a horrible dictator for kicks).

I read Jennifer Government before Nationstates XD.
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Postby Katganistan » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:39 pm

Yatzatz wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:The link is that Jennifer Government is a book about a dystopian future that deals with political themes, and NationStates gives you the opportunity to create your very own dystopian or utopian nation based on your own politics (or to be a horrible dictator for kicks).

I got that much. But why a website where you can make a nation? What does making a nation have to do with one specific dystopia? It would seem to make more sense if it was, say, a site where you can make your own corporation. Why NS?


Greater Cesnica wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:I'm not sure how the OP could offer an opinion on something like this. Yatzatz is asking a direct question, to which they clearly don't know the answer.

You're right on the second part, though. This game was initially a promotional website for the book Jennifer Government by Max Barry, the book's author. I'm not sure how many people have actually read the book as a result of this website, but it's been a remarkable success in and of itself. The link, of course, is that Jennifer Government is a book about a dystopian future that deals with political themes, and NationStates gives you the opportunity to create your very own dystopian or utopian nation based on your own politics (or to be a horrible dictator for kicks).

I read Jennifer Government before Nationstates XD.

As did I. Little did I know the consequences of that action. :o

And Yatzatz, as I recall, [violet] said it was just a little browser game and forum they thought might interest people for a couple of weeks. Little did they and Max know that people would stay, and that a whole raider/defender game would spring up around it.

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Postby Naval Monte » Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:43 pm

The funny thing is that I found the site long before I heard about Jennifer's Government thanks to a friend linking the site to me.
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Postby The USA of America » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:31 am

Naval Monte wrote:The funny thing is that I found the site long before I heard about Jennifer's Government thanks to a friend linking the site to me.


lol, I heard about and found nationstates from Fox News Fair and Balanced.

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Postby Giovenith » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:33 am

"Jennifer Government"s story takes place in an alternate version of the United States which is ruled over by a bizarre form of capitalism. NationStates was created to promote the book via allowing users to create their own similarly wacky nation.
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Postby New Aapelistan » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:42 am

I never actually read Jennifer Government myself, largely due to the fact that I haven't found it in either Finnish or English in a bookstore. Might check it someday, but currently have enough reading with Count of Monte Cristo and the Metro/Метро serie (for like 20th time)

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Postby Yatzatz » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:00 am

Katganistan wrote:Yatzatz, as I recall, [violet] said it was just a little browser game and forum they thought might interest people for a couple of weeks. Little did they and Max know that people would stay, and that a whole raider/defender game would spring up around it.

Well, boy were they wrong.

They missed the RP potential.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:07 am

I also found NS without knowing anything about Jennifer Government.

This website has evolved so much ever since it's creation. It used to be a promotional website for a book and it now has it's own active political/news/RP/arts forums.

I've been using it since 2010 and it's so nice to see medium-sized forums endure in an age where everyone seems to be moving to bigger "forums".

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Postby Great Savaya » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:11 am

It didn't.

Max Barry shilled for his own book.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:38 am

As soon as Roan and Pope Joan get back from New York I will get to read Jennifer Government. If I like it, I will buy a copy so that Mr. Berry gets paid. After all, I do owe him (and NS) a great deal.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:45 am

It was a front set-up to promote the book. In short, Max Barry is a part of the Mob.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:53 am

Black magic.

Not much is known about the process that was involved, but all we do know is that it required Max sacrificing his once luscious head of hair
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:57 am

New haven america wrote:Black magic.

Not much is known about the process that was involved, but all we do know is that it involved Max sacrificing his once luscious head of hair


You really, REALLY don't want to know what Satan is using it for. :twisted:
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Postby Great Savaya » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:09 am

Big Jim P wrote:
New haven america wrote:Black magic.

Not much is known about the process that was involved, but all we do know is that it involved Max sacrificing his once luscious head of hair


You really, REALLY don't want to know what Satan is using it for. :twisted:

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Great Savaya wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
You really, REALLY don't want to know what Satan is using it for. :twisted:

Let's trade powers.
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I'll give you the blessing. Keep the meat vision. I will bill you later. 8)
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Postby Yatzatz » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:36 am

Big Jim P wrote:As soon as Roan and Pope Joan get back from New York I will get to read Jennifer Government. If I like it, I will buy a copy so that Mr. Berry gets paid. After all, I do owe him (and NS) a great deal.

Mr. Berry? Who's that? Max Barry's alter ego?
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Herrebrugh wrote:asexual reproduction

What?
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:55 am

Yatzatz wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:As soon as Roan and Pope Joan get back from New York I will get to read Jennifer Government. If I like it, I will buy a copy so that Mr. Berry gets paid. After all, I do owe him (and NS) a great deal.

Mr. Berry? Who's that? Max Barry's alter ego?

Bite me. Barry.
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Postby Yatzatz » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:01 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Yatzatz wrote:Mr. Berry? Who's that? Max Barry's alter ego?

Bite me. Barry.

No thank you. I'm not a vampire.
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Hanging is too good for a man who makes puns; he should be drawn and quoted. -Fred Allen

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