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Postby Iridencia » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:38 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-oh-just-died-apos-042015634.html

A group of teens, who filmed and mocked a disabled man as he slowly drowned in a pond, would not be criminally charged as no laws were broken in recording the video, Florida Police said Thursday.

Jamel Dunn, 32, drowned in a retention pond July 9 as the teens recorded his ordeal and did not bother to help him, or call for help in Cocoa, Florida. Dunn’s body was not discovered until three days, according to Florida Today, a part of the USA Today network.

The video that police called "disturbing" surfaced online after his body was discovered, and showed him in his final moments.

"He started to struggle and scream for help and they just laughed. They didn’t call the police. They just laughed the whole time. He was just screaming ... for someone to help him," Yvonne Martinez, spokesman for the Cocoa Police Department said.

"The kids were at the park that day smoking marijuana and apparently saw him walk into the water. He walked in on his own. They were watching him," he added.

Dunn walked into the water from the west side and then struggled as he drowned as the teens watched and recorded the incident from the south side of the pond, according to the police. "They just started recording what happened and watched until he died," Martinez said. "Everybody is just horrified by this."

"Get out the water, you gonna die," one of the teens was heard yelling in the video.

"Ain’t nobody fixing to help you, you dumb," another one was heard shouting. Police said the teens warned Dunn, who walks with a cane, not to go into the muddy waters. However, no one bothered to call 911 or help when he struggled to keep his head above water.

In the video, when the man is seen trying to stay afloat, the teens continued to joke and mock him. "Oh, he just died," a teen said and the group broke into laughter.

Police were informed about the video after a family friend of Dunn saw the disturbing footage on social media. Authorities said they interviewed the teens but did not charge them as they broke no law, even though their actions had "no moral justification."

"While the incident depicted on the recording does not give rise to sufficient evidence to support a criminal prosecution under Florida statutes, we can find no moral justification for either the behavior of persons heard on the recording or the deliberate decision not to render aid to Mr. Dunn," the Brevard-Seminole State Attorney’s Office said in a statement, Nbc4i.com reported.

A GoFundMe page was created by Dunn’s friends on the crowfunding website in order to raise money for his funeral.


This is obviously a very shocking and upsetting incident, and it can raise a lot of potential questions. How do we wind up with people who would do such a thing - is it just a result of callous individuals, or does this say something about the way we raise teens in the current culture of disassociation and the lust for attention from the internet? How should these individuals be charged, if charged at all - as adults, for murder, for manslaughter?

While I don't believe that the average person would do what these kids did, I think it might be warranted to suggest that obsession with social media assists in people who already have these sorts of inclinations. They should also be sent to prison, but given reformation treatment for eventual release due to their young age.

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Postby Liberated Territories » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:42 pm

Unfortunate, but they don't have a duty to help him. I believe that it is their parents who are at fault for not raising these kids with any sense of morality.
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:44 pm

Flipping kids are awful. How could anyone just stand there and do such a thing?!
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Postby Swith Witherward » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:45 pm

If only they could be charged with negligence, as they sat there and didn't bother to call 911. Recording it, with running commentary, while stoned just doesn't cut it. I don't think their behavior is a lust for internet attention. Instead, I think they're ignorant fuckwhistles that don't give a damn about anyone.

On the other hand, they did this while stoned. They've handed fodder to the anti-pot proponents. "Legalizing it only increases the risk that stoned members of society won't perform any civic duties when crisis hits" etc.

None of that will bring back the drowned man, nor spare his two young children from the grief and pain associated with this video being available online for them to stumble upon.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:46 pm

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To pull a cited quote from Justice Anthony Kennedy: "You don’t have the duty to rescue someone if that person is in danger. The blind man is walking in front of a car and you do not have a duty to stop him absent some relation between you."
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Postby Soleanna » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:49 pm

They just stand even after him dying... to include they even neglected to at least call the EMS agency
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:49 pm

Iridencia wrote:This is obviously a very shocking and upsetting incident, and it can raise a lot of potential questions. How do we wind up with people who would do such a thing - is it just a result of callous individuals, or does this say something about the way we raise teens in the current culture of disassociation and the lust for attention from the internet? How should these individuals be charged, if charged at all - as adults, for murder, for manslaughter?

While I don't believe that the average person would do what these kids did, I think it might be warranted to suggest that obsession with social media assists in people who already have these sorts of inclinations. They should also be sent to prison, but given reformation treatment for eventual release due to their young age.

Yeah, yeah, in the 70s it was TV, in the 90s it was video games, now it's social media.

Even a cursory look at recent history would reveal that this kind of callousness is far from new.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:50 pm

This just reinforces my view that some people are born evil. It's disturbing to many, who find the sanctity of life holy and sacred. It's the truth.
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Postby The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:51 pm

Liberated Territories wrote:Unfortunate, but they don't have a duty to help him. I believe that it is their parents who are at fault for not raising these kids with any sense of morality.

Don't know about the laws there, but over here they definitely do have a duty to help someone in such a situation.
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Conserative Morality wrote:
Iridencia wrote:This is obviously a very shocking and upsetting incident, and it can raise a lot of potential questions. How do we wind up with people who would do such a thing - is it just a result of callous individuals, or does this say something about the way we raise teens in the current culture of disassociation and the lust for attention from the internet? How should these individuals be charged, if charged at all - as adults, for murder, for manslaughter?

While I don't believe that the average person would do what these kids did, I think it might be warranted to suggest that obsession with social media assists in people who already have these sorts of inclinations. They should also be sent to prison, but given reformation treatment for eventual release due to their young age.

Yeah, yeah, in the 70s it was TV, in the 90s it was video games, now it's social media.

Even a cursory look at recent history would reveal that this kind of callousness is far from new.

Remember back when kids where first negatively affected by that new fangled fire? It's been downhill ever since.

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Postby Waldriech » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:57 pm

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:
Liberated Territories wrote:Unfortunate, but they don't have a duty to help him. I believe that it is their parents who are at fault for not raising these kids with any sense of morality.

Don't know about the laws there, but over here they definitely do have a duty to help someone in such a situation.

Its classified as a Criminally Negligent Homicide can be punished by jail unless the kids are "insane".
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:57 pm

The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness wrote:
Liberated Territories wrote:Unfortunate, but they don't have a duty to help him. I believe that it is their parents who are at fault for not raising these kids with any sense of morality.

Don't know about the laws there, but over here they definitely do have a duty to help someone in such a situation.


Police identified and interviewed the five teens involved. The office of State Attorney Phil Archer determined there was no immediate indication that a crime was committed because state law does not require people give or call for help when someone is in distress. Archer’s office said Friday prosecutors will review the entire police file to see if any other criminal violations might apply.
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Postby Nazbol Pudding Club » Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:58 pm

I wouldn't attempt to rescue someone in this situation as it's dangerous and I wouldn't want to risk catching a chill, but I'd at least alert the proper authorities and not hurl abuse. I'll enjoy my brief moment of moral superiority here, I take it on the few occasions I can get it.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:01 pm

Nazbol Pudding Club wrote:I wouldn't attempt to rescue someone in this situation as it's dangerous and I wouldn't want to risk catching a chill, but I'd at least alert the proper authorities and not hurl abuse. I'll enjoy my brief moment of moral superiority here, I take it on the few occasions I can get it.

"Wouldn't want to risk catching a chill"

OK then.
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Postby Frostnia » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:02 pm

These teens are fucking evil and I hope to god something horrible happens to them. That being said, they shouldn't be punished by law.
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Frostnia wrote:These teens are fucking evil and I hope to god something horrible happens to them. That being said, they shouldn't be punished by law.

Excuse me? This is a classic case of Criminal Negligence Causing Death. The teens were well within their capacity to help save or even attempt a rescue. Making fun of him and laughing as he cries once out in pure panic and desperation for help does not sound like that.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:06 pm

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Frostnia wrote:These teens are fucking evil and I hope to god something horrible happens to them. That being said, they shouldn't be punished by law.

Excuse me? This is a classic case of Criminal Negligence Causing Death. The teens were well within their capacity to help save or even attempt a rescue. Making fun of him and laughing as he cries once out in pure panic and desperation for help does not sound like that.


None of what they did is a crime under Florida state law though.
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Postby Anollasia » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:07 pm

That's messed up.

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Greater Cesnica wrote:
Nazbol Pudding Club wrote:I wouldn't attempt to rescue someone in this situation as it's dangerous and I wouldn't want to risk catching a chill, but I'd at least alert the proper authorities and not hurl abuse. I'll enjoy my brief moment of moral superiority here, I take it on the few occasions I can get it.

"Wouldn't want to risk catching a chill"

OK then.


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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:09 pm

While they shouldn't have laughed, it is actually very dangerous to rescue drowning people. There is a reason they actually train people to be qualified to do so.

Also, since they were high, I think we can cut them a little slack for not exercising the best judgement.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:10 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Excuse me? This is a classic case of Criminal Negligence Causing Death. The teens were well within their capacity to help save or even attempt a rescue. Making fun of him and laughing as he cries once out in pure panic and desperation for help does not sound like that.


None of what they did is a crime under Florida state law though.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/ ... egligence/

A very progressive and in-depth reading of this counts as what the teens did, including:

As defined under Florida case law and the Florida Standard Jury Instructions, “Culpable Negligence” is a course of conduct showing reckless disregard for human life, or for the safety of persons exposed to its dangerous effects, or such an entire want of care as to raise a presumption of conscious indifference to consequences, or which shows wantonness, recklessness, or a grossly careless disregard for the safety and welfare of others."


Also,

1) the accused exposed a person to personal injury or inflicted personal injury on that person, and (2) the accused did so with “culpable negligence.”


This could work, as the teens mentally and emotionally tormented, and harmed this disabled individual in his final, desperate and painful moments of life, by mocking and degrading him as he struggled, and finally drowned in the water.
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Postby Steffan » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:11 pm

Shocking how people can extract joy from such a situation. They need to see a psychologist or something.
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Postby Guelder » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:13 pm

I'm really shocked, i'm disabled myself, we're just people too
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:13 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
None of what they did is a crime under Florida state law though.

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/crimes/ ... egligence/

A very progressive and in-depth reading of this counts as what the teens did, including:

As defined under Florida case law and the Florida Standard Jury Instructions, “Culpable Negligence” is a course of conduct showing reckless disregard for human life, or for the safety of persons exposed to its dangerous effects, or such an entire want of care as to raise a presumption of conscious indifference to consequences, or which shows wantonness, recklessness, or a grossly careless disregard for the safety and welfare of others."


Also,

1) the accused exposed a person to personal injury or inflicted personal injury on that person, and (2) the accused did so with “culpable negligence.”


This could work, as the teens mentally and emotionally tormented, and harmed this disabled individual in his final, desperate and painful moments of life, by mocking and degrading him as he struggled, and finally drowned in the water.

But not many actual cases prosecuted like it.
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