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UN considering making "Cultural Appropriation" illegal

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What do you think of this decision?

It doesn't go far enough
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3%
It's great
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2%
Their idea is good but the execution is bad
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5%
It's too authoritarian but I understand their reasoning
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11%
It's stupid and tyrannical
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45%
Defund the UN.
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UN considering making "Cultural Appropriation" illegal

Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:22 am

You read the title right, folks: the UN is considering making "cultural appropriation" of indigenous cultural things illegal.. And an article with opposite slant for balance.

What do you think, NSG? Is this reasonable? Is it too authoritarian? Or is it just absurd?

In my personal opinion, this is 1) authoritarian and tyrannical, 2) absurd, and 3) dangerous. I do, however, think at least their heart is in their right place and this doesn't appear to be out of malice, but out of stupidity (t. Hanlon's Razor); essentially, their intentions are well, but their actions aren't.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:23 am

How the fuck is this even enforceable?
Cultures are not static unchanging things.

This is completely stupid.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:24 am

The UN is pretty much a joke at this point. Focus on climate change, UN, nobody gives a fuck about cultural appropriation. I'll drunkenly wear my Kimono whenever I damn please.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:24 am

Wow.

Well, the natives better get back to living without electricity or running water.

or guns.

or Money.

or cars.

or roads.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:27 am

Neo Balka wrote:Wow.

Well, the natives better get back to living without electricity or running water.

or guns.

or Money.

or cars.

or roads.

If this is taken to its logical conclusion, something like this would make sense under their "law".
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Postby Aelex » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:28 am

If they have to actually try and enforce such a thing, they'll probably run out of paper to write their strongly worded letters on in less than an afternoon.
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Postby Scomagia » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:29 am

Genivaria wrote:How the fuck is this even enforceable?
Cultures are not static unchanging things.

This is completely stupid.

Exactly. Every culture, excepting perhaps some uncontacted tribes, is to one degree or another an amalgamation of its neighboring cultures, to say nothing of the importation of culture by immigrants. In short, this is a terrible idea that fails to understand how cultures are in constant flux.

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Postby Neo Balka » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:31 am

Aelex wrote:If they have to actually try and enforce such a thing, they'll probably run out of paper to write their strongly worded letters on in less than an afternoon.


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Postby Mefpan » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:32 am

Aelex wrote:If they have to actually try and enforce such a thing, they'll probably run out of paper to write their strongly worded letters on in less than an afternoon.

You underestimate the power of power-hungry bureaucrats with a bit of a silly and ineffectual tyrant complex.

They'll just order more paper, responsibly made from the chopped-up remains of the last rainforests the razing of which they'd strongly condemned in letters penned in triplicate just a half dozen resolutions prior.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:32 am

The UN is full of a bunch of SJW's with little to mediocre political experience, and in general is a complete laughing stock. It needs an overhaul, or needs to be replaced with something better.
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Postby Gyrenaica » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:33 am

How dumb can the UN get
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:34 am

Gyrenaica wrote:How dumb can the UN get


I just remember how much they botched the situation in Rwanda.

The UN should not exist.
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Postby Kyrinasaj » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:34 am

The UN is making its existence more and more questionable to me. Either it's reformed or it should get replaced with another organisation. But at this point it has been focusing on very unimportant issues.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:35 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Gyrenaica wrote:How dumb can the UN get


I just remember how much they botched the situation in Rwanda.

The UN should not exist.


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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:36 am

Neo Balka wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
I just remember how much they botched the situation in Rwanda.

The UN should not exist.


I love you.


love you too kiddo.
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Postby The Widening Gyre » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:36 am

A.) They're just forming a committee to discuss it
B.) The UN doesn't have the power to make anything illegal
C.) The odds of it ever getting to the point of a resolution are pretty slim, given that it's taken 16 years to get to this point

The OP is bad and you should feel bad.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:37 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
I love you.


love you too kiddo.


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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:37 am

Unenforceable, stupid, and rather weird.



Kyrinasaj wrote:The UN is making its existence more and more questionable to me. Either it's reformed or it should get replaced with another organisation. But at this point it has been focusing on very unimportant issues.


I would not consider climate change unimportant in the slightest.

Major-Tom wrote:
Gyrenaica wrote:How dumb can the UN get


I just remember how much they botched the situation in Rwanda.

The UN should not exist.


Yes, I agree that they fucked up in Rwanda, but they have done better work elsewhere.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:38 am

Neo Balka wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
love you too kiddo.


Ill have you know that im not a minor.


I say kiddo a lot. You could be old as fuck and I'd call you kiddo.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:38 am

Neo Balka wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
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Ill have you know that im not a minor.

I think he's saying you're secretly Beatrix Kiddo.
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Postby Polvamaa » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:39 am

But i like Spaghetti!

Also who cares abut the UN, it is trying to make itself look big like a cat that is scared.

Lets restart Leauge Of Nations.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:39 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
Ill have you know that im not a minor.


I say kiddo a lot. You could be old as fuck and I'd call you kiddo.


Jesus, what you some easily relatable and loveable 90s sitcom character?
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Postby Kaitjan » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:39 am

Good work, UN. Makes me take you really seriously.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:40 am

Polvamaa wrote:But i like Spaghetti!

Also who cares abut the UN, it is trying to make itself look big like a cat that is scared.

Lets restart Leauge Of Nations.


I care. Lots of people who were saved by peacekeepers are, lots of people care.

No, League Of Nations sucked. Did it stop WW2? No? Then it sucked.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Jun 18, 2017 11:40 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Unenforceable, stupid, and rather weird.



Kyrinasaj wrote:The UN is making its existence more and more questionable to me. Either it's reformed or it should get replaced with another organisation. But at this point it has been focusing on very unimportant issues.


I would not consider climate change unimportant in the slightest.

Major-Tom wrote:
I just remember how much they botched the situation in Rwanda.

The UN should not exist.


Yes, I agree that they fucked up in Rwanda, but they have done better work elsewhere.


They've done some good work, but overall, the work they do has little effect on...anything?

Let me explain - I would argue that their focus on climate change is a good thing. I am very, very, very passionate about the environment. But on the same token, all their protocols, all their accords, they never actually enforce them, because they can't. It's up to the national governments worldwide.

Same goes with resolutions regarding human rights, gay rights, you name it. They mean very very well, but in the end, it's all symbolic. Either the UN should do more, which could violate the concept of national sovereignty, or they could just dissolve because at the end of the day, they hardly do shit.
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