by Athretvari » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:12 pm
by Rusozak » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:25 pm
by Arkinesia » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:26 pm
Disappointment Panda wrote:Don't hope for a life without problems. There's no such thing. Instead, hope for a life full of good problems.
by Tsaraine » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:33 pm
by Athretvari » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:46 pm
Arkinesia wrote:Russia refused to embrace that path for the same reason the US has continued to over-support its European allies.
Russia is still led by Cold Warriors. Putin's entire career up to 1991 was being a Cold Warrior in the KGB and later the FSB. Pretty much everyone in the upper echelons of the Duma are Cold Warriors. The majority of the cabinet in Russia are Cold Warriors.
There still exists a fear that the West will expose, accept, and exploit the weaknesses inherent in the Russian state. So they revert to old tactics. The disinformation, the propaganda, the disappearing and murdering of critics.
Until the influence of the Cold Warriors goes away this will continue.
by Athretvari » Wed Jan 18, 2017 10:52 pm
Tsaraine wrote:The key to understanding Russia is this: they have no "soft power". Because of this, they're forced to rely on "hard power", which further erodes their soft power. Messing with the Ukraine when that nation threatened to join NATO/the EU makes sense in light of Russia wanting to preserve its Crimean naval base. Similarly, Putin's support for Assad makes sense in light of wanting to preserve the Syrian naval base. When you engage in gunboat diplomacy over talky diplomacy, you get worse at the talky kind (because the people you want to talk to regard you as a thug) and you need places to park your gunboats.
by The Lone Alliance » Wed Jan 18, 2017 11:33 pm
by Nicerra » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:43 am
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:47 am
by Discretospia » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:02 am
Athretvari wrote:The logic of Russia’s foreign policy since the end of Communism
by Ethel mermania » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:19 am
The Lone Alliance wrote:The problem is that you actually believed that the everyone in the West wanted to Embrace Russia in the first place.
There were cold warriors on both sides who still to this day are unhappy the wall came down.
And Russia's antagonistic relationship with Eastern Europe left a lot of old wounds that have created a divide that would take generations to heal.... if not never heal at all at this rate.
We could either embrace Eastern Europe or embrace Russia.
The time to have reached out to Russia was the 90s and there were few organized attempts then to do so...
by The Federation of Kendor » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:54 am
North Korean Russia wrote:"I am God! You are powerless against me! I am so awesome that when I play basketball I always get four points per shot!" -Kim Jong-Putin.
Independant Nations and Guilds wrote:Their founder turned into an eagle and flew into the sun before being burned to death. This is what their flag really means, and any other attempt at explanation of its meaning is ignored in favor of this explanation.
by Arkinesia » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:01 am
Tsaraine wrote:Similarly, Putin's support for Assad makes sense in light of wanting to preserve the Syrian naval base.
Disappointment Panda wrote:Don't hope for a life without problems. There's no such thing. Instead, hope for a life full of good problems.
by Saiwania » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:11 am
by Herargon » Thu Jan 19, 2017 12:28 pm
How scifi alliances actually work.Ifreann wrote:That would certainly save the local regiment of American troops the trouble of plugging your head in ye olde shittere.
by Discretospia » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:16 pm
Arkinesia wrote:Tsaraine wrote:Similarly, Putin's support for Assad makes sense in light of wanting to preserve the Syrian naval base.
The rest of your post is correct, I just want to highlight a niggle here—that is the pretext, but the truth is that Russia has no actual projection power to speak of and thus the Syrian project has become less about a naval base and more about Putin's attempts to make it look like Russia has way more hard power than it really does.
No True Comm—I mean, Scotsman, strikes again.
Leninism and Stalinism were still communism. The fact that they weren't “pure” doesn't change that.
by Angleter » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:23 pm
by Rio Cana » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:28 pm
by Impireacht » Thu Jan 19, 2017 4:44 pm
by United Marxist Nations » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:02 pm
The Kievan People wrote: United Marxist Nations: A prayer for every soul, a plan for every economy and a waifu for every man. Solid.
St. John Chrysostom wrote:A comprehended God is no God.
by Arkinesia » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:35 pm
Discretospia wrote:There is no "pure" and "impure" communism. Communism is communism.
A statless, classless, moneyless society in which the means of production are held collectively and everyone gives according to their abilities and takes according to their needs. This is the definition of communism. Was this achieved? No. It hasn't been practiced.
On the bright side, you match the first line of my signature so I applaud you for that.
Disappointment Panda wrote:Don't hope for a life without problems. There's no such thing. Instead, hope for a life full of good problems.
by NeoLiberia » Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:58 pm
by The Lone Alliance » Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:34 am
Neoliberia wrote:If Russia had embraced the West, thousands of lives would have been saved, and several regions in Russia's "sphere" would be much more stable than they are today. I think this Russia would have been non-imperialist and focused on its own economic and social prosperity.
There are no mythical "Russian traditional values" which prevent it from associating with the West. For example: just 3% of the ethnic Russian population normally attend church. The problem is that they lacked the institutions for liberal democracy, and really do prefer electing greedy strongmen. They had many chances to embrace the West; the West was trying to embrace them. Then they got this one strongman, fucked everything up, and turned Russia into what it is.
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