* NSG PEACE PRIZE 2016 (Seventh Edition) *

[Aelex]

- Donald Trump: 10 (Even Less of Mackonia (Scandinavian Nations, Panslavicland, Tinhampton, Great Kauthar, Wolfmanne2, Herskerstad, Aelex, Brilliania, Brilliania) - Rejected due to the nominee’s history of racism and derogatory comments against Latin Americans and Muslims. I am not willing to take the risk of allowing his nomination, for the sake of preserving the integrity and sanity of the prize.

What, so his alleged racism, and I say alleged because even your source fail to prove any actual racism on his part and merely demonstrate his lack of tact, is enough to make his candidature void?
Moreover, even if we were to accept as true what you claimed, how would his supposed racism make him in any way unworthy of a peace prize? How would that in any way comprise the "integrity and sanity" of the prise?
It honestly just look like you're trying to force your politics on the rest of us.

[Eol Sha]

Personally, I'd say it was the fact that he was sued by the Justice Department for housing discrimination.

You mean the one which was settled without him having to even admit guilt?

In what fantasy land does that prove racism?

The fact that he and his father changed their policies?

And more importantly, him direction policies that would be racist rather than say a staffer?

What?

[South Park Labourite]

Right, time to apply the Tony Benn democracy criteria:

1. What power does the committee have?

To set the criteria for nominations and decide on which get shortlisted as candidates to vote on.

2. Where did you get it in from?

I assume Risottia started this thread and appointed a committee of fellow NSGers to oversee it.

3. In whose interest do you exercise it in.

In the interest of NSG one would assume.

4. To whom are you accountable?

That's the thing... are they accountable to we, NSG, the ones who exercise their power in our interest? There's no way we can really hold them into account.

5. How can get rid of you?

We can't. This is as democratic as Pinochet-era Chile.

[Even Less of Mackonia]

You are not in any authority to randomly void candidates because they don't fit some vague a priori criteria which ultimately boils down to your feelings. Let Risotia decide who stands when they get online. I simply reiterate my point that this is a peace prize, not a politeness prize. Your objection has failed to counter the reasons I gave for nomination. And thus it stands. Similarly I think drawing a distinction between "Serious times" and "lol just LARPing #generalitebanter!!! we gave the peace prize to Kim Chong In!!! xd!" Is fairly vacuous. If you continue to just arbitrarily remove candidates until you get the right one, we may have to set up a separate peace prize to ensure fairness.

So nuclear weapons, Trump and Duterte are rejected.

Time for a breakaway prize?

Perhaps, should this issue remain unresolved and Risottia remain offline.

Oh and you may as well wave your Brazzers subscription at me than cite the Huffington Post as your source.

[The Grim Reaper]

So nuclear weapons, Trump and Duterte are rejected.

Time for a breakaway prize?

Perhaps, should this issue remain unresolved and Risottia remain offline.

Oh and you may as well wave your Brazzers subscription at me than cite the Huffington Post as your source.

Trump and Duterte, whatever, take it up with the committee who are responsible for actually maintaining the list. Oh, wait, they already answered.

But you do realise 'nuclear weapons' is quite explicitly against the rules you clearly didn't bother to read?

Code: Select all

INANIMATED OBJECTS accepted also, provided they are single, physical objects still existing at the moment of the nomination. As a guideline, it should be something eligible as UNESCO World Heritage (material or immaterial).

[South Park Labourite]

Perhaps, should this issue remain unresolved and Risottia remain offline.

Oh and you may as well wave your Brazzers subscription at me than cite the Huffington Post as your source.

Trump and Duterte, whatever, take it up with the committee who are responsible for actually maintaining the list. Oh, wait, they already answered.

But you do realise 'nuclear weapons' is quite explicitly against the rules you clearly didn't bother to read?

Code: Select all

INANIMATED OBJECTS accepted also, provided they are single, physical objects still existing at the moment of the nomination. As a guideline, it should be something eligible as UNESCO World Heritage (material or immaterial).

Nuclear weapons are single, physical objects still in existence.

[Herskerstad]

You mean the one which was settled without him having to even admit guilt?

In what fantasy land does that prove racism?

The fact that he and his father changed their policies?

And more importantly, him direction policies that would be racist rather than say a staffer?

What?

1 - Changing policies do not mean they themselves originally even set the policies. It's not as if he micromanages all aspects of the hundreds of ventures he has nor that every single instance of misdoings is his by intention or design. Not to mention that he had recently taken over from his father, Fred, which had organised it for far longer in the civil rights era. Furthermore, settled lawsuits happen for a number of reasons. They can range to anything from a high settlement, but you know what is indicative of a low settlement? The DOJ with all the resources of the world and a reputation at stake not even willing to admit his guilt on the matter.

2 - If you were to charge Bill Gates with every wrong committed by every wing of Microsoft then I am sure he would be responsible for all kinds of nefarious actions. Short of Trump, and in this case Donald and not Fred, being the designer of a policy, then much less can he charged with it's implications.

[Even Less of Mackonia]

Perhaps, should this issue remain unresolved and Risottia remain offline.

Oh and you may as well wave your Brazzers subscription at me than cite the Huffington Post as your source.

Trump and Duterte, whatever, take it up with the committee who are responsible for actually maintaining the list. Oh, wait, they already answered.

But you do realise 'nuclear weapons' is quite explicitly against the rules you clearly didn't bother to read?

Code: Select all

INANIMATED OBJECTS accepted also, provided they are single, physical objects still existing at the moment of the nomination. As a guideline, it should be something eligible as UNESCO World Heritage (material or immaterial).

I know they answered, their answer was dumb and didn't contain a single refutation of Donald John Trump's eligibility for the prize. As I said, its their award, they can do as they please. Let the free market run its course.

[Great Kauthar]

* Political Bias on *
- Donald Trump: 10 (Even Less of Mackonia (Scandinavian Nations, Panslavicland, Tinhampton, Great Kauthar, Wolfmanne2, Herskerstad, Aelex, Brilliania, Brilliania) - Rejected due to the nominee’s history of racism and derogatory comments against Latin Americans and Muslims. I am not willing to take the risk of allowing his nomination, for the sake of preserving the integrity and sanity of the prize.

Previous Entries
Middle East Revolutionaries - Caused the Syrian Civil War and destabilization of Libya
Vladimir Vladimirovič Putin - Trump x10
Hassan Rouhani - President of IRAN a country of human rights abuses and radical Islam

but ye trump said some controversial things. Tell me how THEY are okay, but Trump is not? Nothing he has said has been unpeaceful.

[USS Monitor]

* Political Bias on *
- Donald Trump: 10 (Even Less of Mackonia (Scandinavian Nations, Panslavicland, Tinhampton, Great Kauthar, Wolfmanne2, Herskerstad, Aelex, Brilliania, Brilliania) - Rejected due to the nominee’s history of racism and derogatory comments against Latin Americans and Muslims. I am not willing to take the risk of allowing his nomination, for the sake of preserving the integrity and sanity of the prize.

Previous Entries
Middle East Revolutionaries - Caused the Syrian Civil War and destabilization of Libya
Vladimir Vladimirovič Putin - Trump x10
Hassan Rouhani - President of IRAN a country of human rights abuses and radical Islam

but ye trump said some controversial things. Tell me how THEY are okay, but Trump is not? Nothing he has said has been unpeaceful.

When you edit quotes, you need to indicate it clearly with a "Fixed" or something outside the quote.

*** warned for baiting ***

[Tinhampton]

I shall hereby be BOYCOTTING the NSG Peace Prize. I remain concerned about how the nature of the prize should justify the disqualification of a candidate. It may have been inappropriate for a prize about sports or engineering, for example, but not for prizes like this. I'll see how the proposed breakaway prize gets on before entering it. If the breakaway goes the same way as this one, we're leaving that. If rejections are doled out, it should be for egregious abuses of human rights.

[The Archregimancy]

You are not in any authority to randomly void candidates because they don't fit some vague a priori criteria which ultimately boils down to your feelings.

Oh?

The OP suggests otherwise

As usual, the Committee will intervene with suggestions and evaluations of the nominations - both about the value of the nominee and the form of the nomination itself. The Committee is the ultimate referee of the proceedings.

Committee members:
Risottia
Minoa

Like it or not, in Risottia's absence Minoa is perfectly entitled to do whatever the hell she wants with this thread, using whatever criteria she wants, as outlined in the OP.

People who object are, of course, equally free to choose not to participate.

Right, time to apply the Tony Benn democracy criteria

Well, no; not really. Frankly, that whole proposition was all a bit silly.



Honestly, this thread could use a little less self-important posturing, and a little more perspective.

NationStates is, after all, just a game.

[Outer Sparta]

* Political Bias on *
- Donald Trump: 10 (Even Less of Mackonia (Scandinavian Nations, Panslavicland, Tinhampton, Great Kauthar, Wolfmanne2, Herskerstad, Aelex, Brilliania, Brilliania) - Rejected due to the nominee’s history of racism and derogatory comments against Latin Americans and Muslims. I am not willing to take the risk of allowing his nomination, for the sake of preserving the integrity and sanity of the prize.

Previous Entries
Middle East Revolutionaries - Caused the Syrian Civil War and destabilization of Libya
Vladimir Vladimirovič Putin - Trump x10
Hassan Rouhani - President of IRAN a country of human rights abuses and radical Islam

but ye trump said some controversial things. Tell me how THEY are okay, but Trump is not? Nothing he has said has been unpeaceful.

Nothing Trump said has been unpeaceful? What are you talking about?

[Outer Sparta]

- Donald Trump: 10 (Even Less of Mackonia (Scandinavian Nations, Panslavicland, Tinhampton, Great Kauthar, Wolfmanne2, Herskerstad, Aelex, Brilliania, Brilliania) - Rejected due to the nominee’s history of racism and derogatory comments against Latin Americans and Muslims. I am not willing to take the risk of allowing his nomination, for the sake of preserving the integrity and sanity of the prize.

What, so his alleged racism, and I say alleged because even your source fail to prove any actual racism on his part and merely demonstrate his lack of tact, is enough to make his candidature void?
Moreover, even if we were to accept as true what you claimed, how would his supposed racism make him in any way unworthy of a peace prize? How would that in any way comprise the "integrity and sanity" of the prise?
It honestly just look like you're trying to force your politics on the rest of us.

More like he's unfit to be president, he's irresponsible with the tax returns, and derogatory comments against women. Racism, even implied, have negative effects. It hurts the victim and the prepretrator. It breaks the very social fabric of society. It's hurtful, as verbal abuse.

[Aelex]

More like he's unfit to be president, he's irresponsible with the tax returns, and derogatory comments against women. Racism, even implied, have negative effects. It hurts the victim and the prepretrator. It breaks the very social fabric of society. It's hurtful, as verbal abuse.

What's with these non-sequiturs and senseless rambling? We aren't talking about weither he is fit for being president or not but weither he deserves the N.S peace prize or not which is very different.
While the first remain up to be decided by the American people, so should the second be for the N.S.G people as Trump's candidature is a very legitimate one.

[FreYhill]

* detects bias from the committee *

Donald J Trump should be on the shortlist, and if he isn't - I will boycott the 2016 NSG Peace Prize.

[PaNTuXIa]

* detects bias from the committee *

Donald J Trump should be on the shortlist, and if he isn't - I will boycott the 2016 NSG Peace Prize.

And exactly how will you do that?

[PaNTuXIa]

Slavoj Zizek, for continuing to fight against the powers that be and conservativism, as well as promoting socialism in the mainstream.

Also, why is BLM on the shortlist for the Peace Prize? BLM is a racist organisation, unlike Trump.

[Thermodolia]

Slavoj Zizek, for continuing to fight against the powers that be and conservativism, as well as promoting socialism in the mainstream.

Also, why is BLM on the shortlist for the Peace Prize? BLM is a racist organisation, unlike Trump.

Exactly how is the BLM racist?

[MERIZoC]

I'll second the nomination of Black Lives Matter, I suppose. Their work in bringing attention to police violence and reminding us that racial injustice is still deeply ingrained in our society has been invaluable.

[Minzerland II]

Slavoj Zizek, for continuing to fight against the powers that be and conservativism, as well as promoting socialism in the mainstream.

Also, why is BLM on the shortlist for the Peace Prize? BLM is a racist organisation, unlike Trump.

Anywho, I think it is unfair to call the whole of BLM 'racists'.

[Mushet]

This thread is still going

I dislike Trump and Dutere but rejecting them to maintain the integrity of the prize when that same prize was first awarded to Kim Jong Il ,is very silly. I doubt they were gonna win, at least let them run.

[Minoa]

You are not in any authority to randomly void candidates because they don't fit some vague a priori criteria which ultimately boils down to your feelings.

Oh?

The OP suggests otherwise

As usual, the Committee will intervene with suggestions and evaluations of the nominations - both about the value of the nominee and the form of the nomination itself. The Committee is the ultimate referee of the proceedings.

Committee members:
Risottia
Minoa

Like it or not, in Risottia's absence Minoa is perfectly entitled to do whatever the hell she wants with this thread, using whatever criteria she wants, as outlined in the OP.

People who object are, of course, equally free to choose not to participate.

Right, time to apply the Tony Benn democracy criteria

Well, no; not really. Frankly, that whole proposition was all a bit silly.



Honestly, this thread could use a little less self-important posturing, and a little more perspective.

NationStates is, after all, just a game.

In fact, we could do with more committee members than the two, and given how this is going, my state of mental health, the delays by my colleague, and the demands to get the Prize complete, I’m struggling badly.

EDIT:

The plan of schedule is that:

• The 1st round voting lasts from Saturday 5 November 2016 to Friday 11 November 2016.
• The 2nd round voting lasts from Sunday 13 November to Saturday 19 November 2016.
• The winner, the eventual winner, will be declared on Monday 21 November 2016.

In the first round, vote one of six single-nomination candidates. One candidate with the least votes will be eliminated.
In the second round, vote one of ten candidates, including five single-nomination candidates that proceeded from the 1st round. The candidate with the most votes will be the winner of the NSG Peace Prize for 2016.

The two-round system ensures that we have exactly ten options for the final poll.

EDIT: I moved the final poll by one day to allow myself to count the votes at a reasonable pace. Remember, NationStates is only a game, but I have civility to defend amid a very tense world out there.

[Cerillium]

Dutere should be dropped. The International Criminal Court has put him on notice (source). A leading member of the Philippines’ senate has called for an international criminal investigation into the country’s president in an effort to stop a vicious war on drugs that has killed more than 3,800 people since June (source). He hasn't much of a clue when it comes to peaceful diplomacy (source).

Trump's nomination is lacking and mainly the person's opinion.

Donald John Trump for fighting to usher in a new era in American politics which will make the world safer by challenging the greed and warmongering of the established political order by forging new relationships that will resolve the problems of global conflict and unequal trade through dialogue and negotiation rather than confrontation and exploitation. [CITATION NEEDED]

He made the first bold step in ending one of the 21st century's most dangerous geopolitical confrontations - that between the Russian Federation and the United States playing out in Eurasia. This confrontation has directly or indirectly caused serious hurt and harm in places like the Crimea and the Ukraine and instability across Eastern Europe and the Caucasus. Donald Trump has also shown an interest in resolving for good the European Migrant crisis and diffusing tensions in East Asia. [CITATION NEEDED]

Trump does not have solid business acumen. (Sources: New York Times: Warren Buffett Is Latest Billionaire to Excoriate Donald Trump; New York Times: Trump, the Bad, Bad Businessman; Newsweek: Donald Trump's Many Business Failures, Explained)

Trump's intolerance and lack of concern for humanity are well known. (HuffPo: Here Are 13 Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist - I don't feel HuffPo is often a valid source. However most of the article's accusations can be traced to court documentation or news coverage.)

I feel that his history disqualifies him from nomination for a peace prize. He has done nothing to "usher in a new era in American politics" unless it was to benefit him personally. His "talks" with Mexico ingratiated no one. His trifling with Russia's Putin has done nothing to prevent conflicts. His solution to the refugee problem perpetually vacillates between "Block them all" and "Only let in the good ones". He has not diffused tensions in East Asia; his comments earlier in the year only incurred rancor.

Has Trump done anything good? Sure. It wouldn't qualify him for a peace prize however.

[Shofercia]

What, so his alleged racism, and I say alleged because even your source fail to prove any actual racism on his part and merely demonstrate his lack of tact, is enough to make his candidature void?
Moreover, even if we were to accept as true what you claimed, how would his supposed racism make him in any way unworthy of a peace prize? How would that in any way comprise the "integrity and sanity" of the prise?
It honestly just look like you're trying to force your politics on the rest of us.

More like he's unfit to be president, he's irresponsible with the tax returns, and derogatory comments against women. Racism, even implied, have negative effects. It hurts the victim and the prepretrator. It breaks the very social fabric of society. It's hurtful, as verbal abuse.

While his tax returns are a subject of controversy, they hardly make him look bad. He's simply following the law to the letter. And c'mon, we had those who are way more racist and sexist than Trump, nominated. That said, I don't think Minoa has a political bias. Although someone could nominate Clinton to try and find out