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[PASSED] Liberate "Alliance Against Nazis"

Postby Caelapes » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:02 am

Cognizant that Alliance Against Nazis was used as a staging point for anti-Nazi and anti-fascist self-defense militaries between June 2014 and January 2016, and that it was invaded by antagonist forces in March 2016;

Acknowledging that while Alliance Against Nazis has not yet had free entry barred by controlling forces, this is certainly the end goal of the invaders;

Bearing in mind past World Assembly condemnations of Nazi brutes as emphasized in resolutions passed by this institution, including SC#3, SC#37, SC#56, SC#109, SC#144, SC#159, SC#184, and SC#185;

Observing the dregs of the international community which currently inhabit the region;

Ignescent with righteous fury at the collaboration of supposedly anti-communist raiders with Nazi marauders;

Desiring that control of Alliance Against Nazis returns to its native anti-fascist populace;

Emphasizing that Alliance Against Nazis held no political stance beyond its anti-fascism, and that defenders from all political backgrounds called the region home;

Proclaims that Alliance Against Nazis is Liberated.


buncha Nazis in there. gross. should be cut + dry. tell me if I fucked up somewhere
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:56 am

I'd tone down some of the language if I were you.

"Nazi barbarians", "dregs of the international community", "Nazi goons", could well be interpreted as flaming, which would make the proposal illegal.

Just my tuppence worth.

Edit: I think "Ignescent" should be "Incandescent" and I would change the last line to simply "Hereby liberates ...
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Postby The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:21 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I think "Ignescent" should be "Incandescent"

Yes, this. I shouldn't have to whip out a dictionary when I read this stuff. :p
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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:27 am

You want the SC to liberate your staging point? Just found another one (or take it back yourselves). The Liberation is supposed to be used to free native communities from the brink of destruction by invader hands, not to free up a point of attack.
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Postby Caelapes » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:41 am

Benevolent Thomas wrote:You want the SC to liberate your staging point? Just found another one (or take it back yourselves). The Liberation is supposed to be used to free native communities from the brink of destruction by invader hands, not to free up a point of attack.

There's already a different staging point. We're just not interested in giving Nazis the ability to easily keep AAN as a trophy.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I'd tone down some of the language if I were you.

"Nazi barbarians", "dregs of the international community", "Nazi goons", could well be interpreted as flaming, which would make the proposal illegal.

Just my tuppence worth.

Edit: I think "Ignescent" should be "Incandescent" and I would change the last line to simply "Hereby liberates ...

Reworking.

Regarding "ignescent" - it's a reference to one of TRF's rallying cries, "Pax ignescens!"
     
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Postby The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper » Wed Mar 16, 2016 11:01 am

Caelapes wrote:Regarding "ignescent" - it's a reference to one of TRF's rallying cries, "Pax ignescens!"

Oh, so now I need a Latin dictionary too? Great.... :p
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Postby The Holy Zirid Caliphate » Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:23 pm

Caelapes wrote:
Benevolent Thomas wrote:You want the SC to liberate your staging point? Just found another one (or take it back yourselves). The Liberation is supposed to be used to free native communities from the brink of destruction by invader hands, not to free up a point of attack.

There's already a different staging point. We're just not interested in giving Nazis the ability to easily keep AAN as a trophy.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I'd tone down some of the language if I were you.

"Nazi barbarians", "dregs of the international community", "Nazi goons", could well be interpreted as flaming, which would make the proposal illegal.

Just my tuppence worth.

Edit: I think "Ignescent" should be "Incandescent" and I would change the last line to simply "Hereby liberates ...

Reworking.

Regarding "ignescent" - it's a reference to one of TRF's rallying cries, "Pax ignescens!"

If you don't want to give it away, then come and take it, for it would almost be a sign of weakness to be forced to resort to the SC to liberate a region that isn't even passworded yet, and a region which it should be easy to rally around, rather than coming and taking it by force.

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Postby Caelapes » Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:28 pm

     
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Postby Lychgate » Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:35 pm

Caelapes wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfelqZpapZA

Nice video.

Remove the "Nazi brutes" and "dregs of the int'l community" stuff. They hate you as much as you hate them, and there's no reason for flame.
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Postby Caelapes » Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:40 pm

Lychgate wrote:
Caelapes wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfelqZpapZA

Nice video.

Remove the "Nazi brutes" and "dregs of the int'l community" stuff. They hate you as much as you hate them, and there's no reason for flame.

A moderator (through a puppet) has posted in this thread and didn't reference those elements of the proposal. If a moderator feels that it's a step too far, I'll happily remove it from the proposal. As it stands, it's an in-character stance and fairly mild and without a moderator explicitly saying it needs to be taken out, I don't feel any urgency to change it.
     
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Mar 16, 2016 12:42 pm

The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper wrote:
Caelapes wrote:Regarding "ignescent" - it's a reference to one of TRF's rallying cries, "Pax ignescens!"

Oh, so now I need a Latin dictionary too? Great.... :p

What, you didn't do Latin at school? :p
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Postby Wrapper » Wed Mar 16, 2016 1:10 pm

Caelapes wrote:A moderator (through a puppet) has posted in this thread and didn't reference those elements of the proposal.

Please don't infer, just because I posted from my WA puppet, that what you've written is implicitly legal or doesn't break the forum rules. That said, and since I haven't taken a stance for or against this proposal yet:

If a moderator feels that it's a step too far, I'll happily remove it from the proposal. As it stands, it's an in-character stance and fairly mild and without a moderator explicitly saying it needs to be taken out, I don't feel any urgency to change it.

Meh. Seems mild and in-character to me.

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:03 pm

Seriously? First there was the liberation of CAPS, which you guys fumbled after the Security Council liberated for you, and it had to be repealed. Then there was the self-commendation. Now you want us to liberate your staging point? Yeah no.

*waits to be called a fascist sympathizer yet again*

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Postby Dark Commander » Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:07 pm

The Silver Sentinel wrote:*waits to be called a fascist sympathizer yet again*

Naw, you're just a pure, unadulterated fascist.

For the Proposal: Was your self-commendation not enough?
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Postby Holy German Realm » Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:10 pm

Proposal denied :D

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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:13 pm

The Silver Sentinel wrote:Seriously? First there was the liberation of CAPS, which you guys fumbled after the Security Council liberated for you, and it had to be repealed. Then there was the self-commendation. Now you want us to liberate your staging point? Yeah no.

:clap:

I too am tiring of the NS-left perverting the SC to assist only themselves. The SC should be used to shield neutral parties that have not invited the hostile actions of another group/region.
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:20 pm

Benevolent Thomas wrote:
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Seriously? First there was the liberation of CAPS, which you guys fumbled after the Security Council liberated for you, and it had to be repealed. Then there was the self-commendation. Now you want us to liberate your staging point? Yeah no.

:clap:

I too am tiring of the NS-left perverting the SC to assist only themselves. The SC should be used to shield neutral parties that have not invited the hostile actions of another group/region.

Needless to say there will be some grossly exaggerated campaign telegram when this is submitted using the word "Nazi" in big bold letters 27 times or so, in an effort to misdirect people. I can only hope the large delegates can show some wisdom on this and stomp it into the dirt.

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Postby Anti Communist Alliance » Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:37 pm

Yeah I don't think this proposal is going to pass. You can't rely on the SC whenever you lose.

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Postby CSAT Ambassador » Wed Mar 16, 2016 6:44 pm

This is a war, you reds can't go crying to the WA when your enemy wins a battle.

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Postby Rusozak » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:56 pm

I was a member of that region way back under a different nation. Did I miss something? Last I checked it was a vacant monument to days past. If that was the case before invasion, they only took over a graveyard.
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Postby The Holy Zirid Caliphate » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:02 pm

Rusozak wrote:I was a member of that region way back under a different nation. Did I miss something? Last I checked it was a vacant monument to days past. If that was the case before invasion, they only took over a graveyard.

No, the Red Fleet was launching attacks out of it until about two days ago. This was an actual victory for Anti-Communism, not just a one-nation region.

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Postby Rusozak » Wed Mar 16, 2016 10:19 pm

The Holy Zirid Caliphate wrote:
Rusozak wrote:I was a member of that region way back under a different nation. Did I miss something? Last I checked it was a vacant monument to days past. If that was the case before invasion, they only took over a graveyard.

No, the Red Fleet was launching attacks out of it until about two days ago. This was an actual victory for Anti-Communism, not just a one-nation region.


Meh, never liked what they did to it after they wrestled it away from the invaders that kicked out the old guard. Seems like an inter-regional war people are now pleading for the rest of the world to get involved in.
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Postby Kerthan » Thu Mar 17, 2016 8:19 pm

I find it funny that the roles have been switched. Besides, the communist raiding groups in ns have had this coming for a while now.

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Postby Rusozak » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:59 pm

Oh, and let's not forget that region was not always a puppet. It was an independent anti-fascist region that was not explicitly communist. It got taken by the GGR as it started to die, then as they started to fall the commies seized it an turned it into a staging area for their operations. There is no rightful owner to that region, not anymore. Now the reds are essentially asking the SC to liberate a military base seized by their enemies as part of a larger war.
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:35 pm

It appears Misley has went ahead and submitted this.

Emphasizing that Alliance Against Nazis held no political stance beyond its anti-fascism, and that defenders from all political backgrounds called the region home;

Putting this line in may well have been one of the costliest fumbles I have ever seen. It pretty much guarantees that every defender in the game is going to vote against this, as not one of us ever used that as a staging point unless we were helping you. I am not sure who you are trying to bullshit here, but it can be smelled from several planets away.

Desiring that control of Alliance Against Nazis returns to its native anti-fascist populace who will retire it from military use;

I am guessing this was a last minute change as I don't see it in the draft anywhere. I must ask though, who are you trying to fool with this one? You can't even take back the region by yourselves, and by some miracle the Security Council is just going to give you back the region? Of course you are going to continue to use it as a military launch point and to say otherwise is more bullshit than most people can probably handle.

Observing the dregs of the international community which currently inhabit the region;

Pot, meet kettle please? I think you will find you have far more in common than you think.

When are you guys going to understand that nobody is going to fight your battles for you? You take a region from the Nazi's or Anti-Communist forces and the "Whoo-Hooing" and gloating can be heard from the next game people try to play on their computers. Yet when you take one on the chin, you come running to the Security Council on your hands and knees begging for help? Pfft................ If you can't play with the big boys, maybe it is time to just stop.

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