ATCO General Summit(Closed RP)

[United Canadian Republic]

"The Canadian Senate has yet to vote on such development, but I will bring the matter to the Hall. The defense of the factories would have to be done in concert with Washinton. Any polar approach would have to pass through the Washintonian arctic before reaching factories in northern Canada."

The Secretary of State proceeds to give a response to Canadian President.

"Most of our nation's manufacturing capabilities are around the Great Lakes, so I would not worry about them at the moment. The Great lakes are under no threat of invasion and is out of range of all known Dragomerian and Scarlet Shogunate aircraft. That's not to say it doesn't have any defenses at all, we have an Army group headquartered in Wisconsin and there are Army Air Forces bases around it as well."

OOC: That response doesn't make sense with what I posted. Your arctic should be defended so that attacks don't even reach my factories.

[Ascoobis]

The Cerman Officials took their seats at the table, everyone pulling out numerous amounts of folders, notes, and paper.

"The network of air observation and the assessment of navy forces will primarily be under the concern of the 3 of you. Cerma's presence in the Pacific is...uncommon given the geography. The Cerman Navy would have to primarily rely on your Shore Installations if war broke out over there. Cerma may have to try and assess this lack of territory. Currently, we are trying to create a large bomber capacity and would be wishing to know what others would think of rotating bomber squadrons to foreign ATCO bases. Getting our forces more familiar with each other cant hurt, and would allow better cohesion on dimensions of bases. I understand a number of Generals with me will groan when they hear me suggest another training initiative, but a combined Air Warfare Exercise will definitely help us out. I understand that the Washington army is conducting maneuvers right now?"

" I wholeheartedly agree with your proposals for familiarization of our forces. It will be vital for any future unified war effort in the Pacific or otherwise. I agree to the transfer of Cerman units to Ascoobian bases. Perhaps the opposite could also be practiced. I suggest that the exercise that you propose be changed to allow for the practice of a Combined Arms strategy that would be present in an actual conflict. This unprecedented integration of the movements of our armed forces should call for the formation of an ATCO command structure to take over in the case of a war which involves our members

"I am glad to hear of your preparedness for this sort of crisis. Your system may prove vital toward winning the war, as they would be the farthest from any battle zone. Surely out of range for any enemy bombers. To be sure we must set up polar defences to prevent enemy long-range bombers from taking a northern, polar route to assault these factories."

"The Canadian Senate has yet to vote on such development, but I will bring the matter to the Hall. The defense of the factories would have to be done in concert with Washinton. Any polar approach would have to pass through the Washintonian arctic before reaching factories in northern Canada."

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"Then Washinton should set up a primary network, while a secondary network is set up in northern Canada to ensure the factories' safety."

[Republic of Washinton]

The Secretary of State proceeds to give a response to Canadian President.

"Most of our nation's manufacturing capabilities are around the Great Lakes, so I would not worry about them at the moment. The Great lakes are under no threat of invasion and is out of range of all known Dragomerian and Scarlet Shogunate aircraft. That's not to say it doesn't have any defenses at all, we have an Army group headquartered in Wisconsin and there are Army Air Forces bases around it as well."

OOC: That response doesn't make sense with what I posted. Your arctic should be defended so that attacks don't even reach my factories.

OOC: You realize that the Great Lakes are far enough away from the front lines and there is no way Drag would be a be able to get any fleet up into the Arctic due to the heavy ice correct? Plus it would be too difficult for his light aircraft to makes good take-offs and landings. Not to mention they lack the range to get there.

[North Amwell]

OOC: alright now I know

[Ascoobis]

The secretary of defense walks over to president Harrison and whispers into his ear. President Harrison has a surprised look on his face and says " my department of defense has gotten word from Dragomeria that they are looking for a military alliance as well as a trade agreement. I'm worried that this means Dragomeria is looking for more countries to help attack North America. I believe that they are preparing for a full out attack." President Harrison tells his secretary of defense to deny any propositions from dragomeria but to not act hostile yet.

OOC: Actually Amwell, that offer came ICly after this conference takes place....

[Ascoobis]

OOC: Alright guys, to keep this RP organized and hopefully speed up the rate of posts of the RP, I'm going to make a list on what exactly we are to discuss at this summit. Not in any particular order of course and we could jump back into a previously discussed topic if there is something that we believe has not been covered.


*Alliance-Wide Defense
-Arcadian Conflict and ATCO involvement, possible start of a Joint Task Force Campaign.
-Other subjects involving National Defense.
-Possible defense of Pacific Possessions

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*ATCO Standardization Movement involving,
-Caliber Standardization
-Training Cooperation
-Joint Research Projects
-Possible Joint Exercise in the near future.

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*Economic Subjects,
-report on Trans-Continental Railway
-The Great Depression
-Production summary

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*Foreign Policy
-Communism
-Germany
-The ESS
- Konstantinoplean violence in Europe
-Status and Safety of North Amwell and the ATCO <-- We seem to be here
-Reaffirm our stance on American Colonialism and the Spanish Question

[Ascoobis]

OOC: Since we appear to be done discussing this topic, I'll get the ball rolling again.

"While it is clear that our northern frontier might be safe from any sort of enemy attack, how do we feel is the best way to defend our Pacific territories and western coastlines should the Dragomerian Empire declare war on our rival organization? How would we defend ourselves in such an increasingly likely war?"

[Ascoobis]

OOC: Just so the whole organization knows, I've started a factbook on this organization. I ask that you all look at it and see if you could provide valid information to add to it. Thank you.

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=asco ... /id=598392

[Republic of Washinton]

OOC: Since we appear to be done discussing this topic, I'll get the ball rolling again.

"While it is clear that our northern frontier might be safe from any sort of enemy attack, how do we feel is the best way to defend our Pacific territories and western coastlines should the Dragomerian Empire declare war on our rival organization? How would we defend ourselves in such an increasingly likely war?"

The General Secretary of Defense pipes up again.

"We have to take stock of what we already have. Right now, Washington's territories of Wake Island ad Midway Atoll are currently moderately defended, however with their proximity to the Dargomerian Islands, Wake especially, we can not expect these outposts to hold out forever. We could use more sea obstacles like mines to try and block off beaches from invasion forces. More aircraft especially will be needed to ward off air attacks and small task forces. However, we do not know if they will be willing to commit entire fleets to our smaller outposts or just smaller forces. One thing is certain, the garrisons will need naval support to survive."

[North Amwell]

OOC: Since we appear to be done discussing this topic, I'll get the ball rolling again.

"While it is clear that our northern frontier might be safe from any sort of enemy attack, how do we feel is the best way to defend our Pacific territories and western coastlines should the Dragomerian Empire declare war on our rival organization? How would we defend ourselves in such an increasingly likely war?"

The General Secretary of Defense pipes up again.

"We have to take stock of what we already have. Right now, Washington's territories of Wake Island ad Midway Atoll are currently moderately defended, however with their proximity to the Dargomerian Islands, Wake especially, we can not expect these outposts to hold out forever. We could use more sea obstacles like mines to try and block off beaches from invasion forces. More aircraft especially will be needed to ward off air attacks and small task forces. However, we do not know if they will be willing to commit entire fleets to our smaller outposts or just smaller forces. One thing is certain, the garrisons will need naval support to survive."

in order to keep those smaller outpost protected we should start investing in aircraft carriers. they would fix the need for more aircraft being present and also with the destroyers and light battleships that would be with them they would be able to secure a reasonable area at sea. I agree with Washington on the fact for more sea obstacles but I think aircraft carriers will need to be present.

[Ascoobis]

OOC: Since we appear to be done discussing this topic, I'll get the ball rolling again.

"While it is clear that our northern frontier might be safe from any sort of enemy attack, how do we feel is the best way to defend our Pacific territories and western coastlines should the Dragomerian Empire declare war on our rival organization? How would we defend ourselves in such an increasingly likely war?"

The General Secretary of Defense pipes up again.

"We have to take stock of what we already have. Right now, Washington's territories of Wake Island ad Midway Atoll are currently moderately defended, however with their proximity to the Dargomerian Islands, Wake especially, we can not expect these outposts to hold out forever. We could use more sea obstacles like mines to try and block off beaches from invasion forces. More aircraft especially will be needed to ward off air attacks and small task forces. However, we do not know if they will be willing to commit entire fleets to our smaller outposts or just smaller forces. One thing is certain, the garrisons will need naval support to survive."

"I'd recommend the placement of long-range artillery on the island. I believe those would serve a better defensive purpose then another battleships. Additionally, the placement of anti-submarine and anti-torpedo nets may prevent undetected reconnaissance missions by any adversary. On our mainland's beaches, Czech hedgehogs should deter any large-scale landing attempts."

[Ascoobis]

OOC: It's gotten quiet. Can we please continue? I'd like complete a RP for once.

[North Amwell]

The General Secretary of Defense pipes up again.

"We have to take stock of what we already have. Right now, Washington's territories of Wake Island ad Midway Atoll are currently moderately defended, however with their proximity to the Dargomerian Islands, Wake especially, we can not expect these outposts to hold out forever. We could use more sea obstacles like mines to try and block off beaches from invasion forces. More aircraft especially will be needed to ward off air attacks and small task forces. However, we do not know if they will be willing to commit entire fleets to our smaller outposts or just smaller forces. One thing is certain, the garrisons will need naval support to survive."

"I'd recommend the placement of long-range artillery on the island. I believe those would serve a better defensive purpose then another battleships. Additionally, the placement of anti-submarine and anti-torpedo nets may prevent undetected reconnaissance missions by any adversary. On our mainland's beaches, Czech hedgehogs should deter any large-scale landing attempts."

That's a valid point and I have already started To place long range artillery, airfields and naval ports along the bering strait. Anybody in the ATCO would have access to my naval ports and airfields in the Bering strait to be able to strike dragomeria quicker and try to put them on the defensive. My west coast is the most likely to be the area where Dragomeria is going to try to invade North America and I'm hoping that these installations would prevent a invasion. My submarines should be able to inflict heavy losses on dragomeria before they got to my shore. My oil fields are key though, I'm afraid if I loose those I won't be able to provide enough oil to my military.

[Ascoobis]

"I'd recommend the placement of long-range artillery on the island. I believe those would serve a better defensive purpose then another battleships. Additionally, the placement of anti-submarine and anti-torpedo nets may prevent undetected reconnaissance missions by any adversary. On our mainland's beaches, Czech hedgehogs should deter any large-scale landing attempts."

That's a valid point and I have already started To place long range artillery, airfields and naval ports along the bering strait. Anybody in the ATCO would have access to my naval ports and airfields in the Bering strait to be able to strike dragomeria quicker and try to put them on the defensive. My west coast is the most likely to be the area where Dragomeria is going to try to invade North America and I'm hoping that these installations would prevent a invasion. My submarines should be able to inflict heavy losses on dragomeria before they got to my shore. My oil fields are key though, I'm afraid if I loose those I won't be able to provide enough oil to my military.

" I suggest going to the Washintonians for additional oil supplies. With the long-term supply of Washintonian oil secured, I won't start with the extracting of my own major oil deposits until I deem necessary. In addition, I recommend that ATCO units be allowed to establish themselves in North Amwell to coordinate an effective defense in the case of war, preferably the Washintonian Army and Cerman and Ascoobian air forces.

The placement of Naval bases on the Bering Strait itself may be risky, at is these bases will be directly in the path of a hypothetical Dragomerian invasion. You should position your forces farther eastward in order to for your navy to survive the initial assault and absorb the surprise punch the Dragomerians will surely throw at you."

[North Amwell]

That's a valid point and I have already started To place long range artillery, airfields and naval ports along the bering strait. Anybody in the ATCO would have access to my naval ports and airfields in the Bering strait to be able to strike dragomeria quicker and try to put them on the defensive. My west coast is the most likely to be the area where Dragomeria is going to try to invade North America and I'm hoping that these installations would prevent a invasion. My submarines should be able to inflict heavy losses on dragomeria before they got to my shore. My oil fields are key though, I'm afraid if I loose those I won't be able to provide enough oil to my military.

" I suggest going to the Washintonians for additional oil supplies. With the long-term supply of Washintonian oil secured, I won't start with the extracting of my own major oil deposits until I deem necessary. In addition, I recommend that ATCO units be allowed to establish themselves in North Amwell to coordinate an effective defense in the case of war, preferably the Washintonian Army and Cerman and Ascoobian air forces.

The placement of Naval bases on the Bering Strait itself may be risky, at is these bases will be directly in the path of a hypothetical Dragomerian invasion. You should position your forces farther eastward in order to for your navy to survive the initial assault and absorb the surprise punch the Dragomerians will surely throw at you."

I meant for the bases in the Bering strait not to stop the invasion force but rather to weaken it before it hit my heavily defended coast and the full strength of my military. The units in the Bering strait are expendable and not any of my important units are positioned there navy wise. I appreciate the input though and agree with you whole heartily.

[Ascoobis]

" I suggest going to the Washintonians for additional oil supplies. With the long-term supply of Washintonian oil secured, I won't start with the extracting of my own major oil deposits until I deem necessary. In addition, I recommend that ATCO units be allowed to establish themselves in North Amwell to coordinate an effective defense in the case of war, preferably the Washintonian Army and Cerman and Ascoobian air forces.

The placement of Naval bases on the Bering Strait itself may be risky, at is these bases will be directly in the path of a hypothetical Dragomerian invasion. You should position your forces farther eastward in order to for your navy to survive the initial assault and absorb the surprise punch the Dragomerians will surely throw at you."

I meant for the bases in the Bering strait not to stop the invasion force but rather to weaken it before it hit my heavily defended coast and the full strength of my military. The units in the Bering strait are expendable and not any of my important units are positioned there navy wise. I appreciate the input though and agree with you whole heartily.

"If you say so. I myself don't view any units as expendable. Every unit has some use."

[Ascoobis]

"It appears that our defenses, both in the Pacific and our mainlands from a Dragomerian threat have appeared to have been sufficiently covered. Now there are other military matters that we must discuss. I believe that the Cermans were the first to suggest this, but what are our thoughts on Caliber standardization in order to simplify ammunition production for our armed forces. At least for our small arms and machine guns. I think that it would be a fine, cost-effective idea. However, I believe that we should keep larger rounds, like tank and artillery ammunition, independent from one another."

[Republic of Washinton]

"It appears that our defenses, both in the Pacific and our mainlands from a Dragomerian threat have appeared to have been sufficiently covered. Now there are other military matters that we must discuss. I believe that the Cermans were the first to suggest this, but what are our thoughts on Caliber standardization in order to simplify ammunition production for our armed forces. At least for our small arms and machine guns. I think that it would be a fine, cost-effective idea. However, I believe that we should keep larger rounds, like tank and artillery ammunition, independent from one another."

The General Secretary of Defense stands.

"The use of caliber standardization for rifles and machine guns may be a good idea, as it would mean ammunition of all our countries would be interchangeable. Sidearms, submachine guns, shotguns, and other small arms should perhaps be up to the individual nations, as everyone has their preferences. I would like to propose the 30-06 rimless ball cartridge be our caliber of choice. It is a 7.62x63mm cartridge that has great effective range, accuracy, and penetration. It works well in self loading rifles and machine guns, so it will have no issue adapting to other platforms. Now as for the tank and artillery rounds, it would be best to stick to our individual nation's doctrine and have our own to fit our needs."

[Ascoobis]

"It appears that our defenses, both in the Pacific and our mainlands from a Dragomerian threat have appeared to have been sufficiently covered. Now there are other military matters that we must discuss. I believe that the Cermans were the first to suggest this, but what are our thoughts on Caliber standardization in order to simplify ammunition production for our armed forces. At least for our small arms and machine guns. I think that it would be a fine, cost-effective idea. However, I believe that we should keep larger rounds, like tank and artillery ammunition, independent from one another."

The General Secretary of Defense stands.

"The use of caliber standardization for rifles and machine guns may be a good idea, as it would mean ammunition of all our countries would be interchangeable. Sidearms, submachine guns, shotguns, and other small arms should perhaps be up to the individual nations, as everyone has their preferences. I would like to propose the 30-06 rimless ball cartridge be our caliber of choice. It is a 7.62x63mm cartridge that has great effective range, accuracy, and penetration. It works well in self loading rifles and machine guns, so it will have no issue adapting to other platforms. Now as for the tank and artillery rounds, it would be best to stick to our individual nation's doctrine and have our own to fit our needs."

"It's seems that we are in agreement. What are the other's positions on this matter?"

[North Amwell]

"It appears that our defenses, both in the Pacific and our mainlands from a Dragomerian threat have appeared to have been sufficiently covered. Now there are other military matters that we must discuss. I believe that the Cermans were the first to suggest this, but what are our thoughts on Caliber standardization in order to simplify ammunition production for our armed forces. At least for our small arms and machine guns. I think that it would be a fine, cost-effective idea. However, I believe that we should keep larger rounds, like tank and artillery ammunition, independent from one another."

The General Secretary of Defense stands.

"The use of caliber standardization for rifles and machine guns may be a good idea, as it would mean ammunition of all our countries would be interchangeable. Sidearms, submachine guns, shotguns, and other small arms should perhaps be up to the individual nations, as everyone has their preferences. I would like to propose the 30-06 rimless ball cartridge be our caliber of choice. It is a 7.62x63mm cartridge that has great effective range, accuracy, and penetration. It works well in self loading rifles and machine guns, so it will have no issue adapting to other platforms. Now as for the tank and artillery rounds, it would be best to stick to our individual nation's doctrine and have our own to fit our needs."

why not the 6.8 mm? it is lighter than the 7.62 meaning you will be able to carry more ammo but bigger than the 5.56 so you will have more of a knock down effect.all rounds are trade offs. The 7.62mm side of the debate tends to pretend that .308(7.62) is some kind of death ray and skip over the possibility you'll have to double tap with .308 as well. And they tend to act like 5.56mm is guaranteed to fail without double tap. Both premises don't hold up reliably -- just statisitical tendencies. For a carbine role, I'll take the 5.56mm round all day -- especially if I'm a notional operator who has the range time and training to use my weapon to the fullest. As for a 7.62x51mm . . . too much recoil. Autofire is obviously bad, but even in semi it's going to kick like a beast, which means that I'd better not need to double tap (or better not miss) because it's going to take me longer to put the weapon back on target while the other guy is trying to kill me. The proposed 6.8mm round seems like a good idea to me -- it takes bullet weight towards .308 without fully sacrificing the idea of a handy and compact assault rifle to the full size bullet, but stays light enough to carry lots of ammo and recoil soft enough to make the a minimal issue in rapid fire. so I'm in favor of the 6.8 mm.